| Leanne and plaid - what happens now 22:43 - Jun 24 with 3510 views | Highjack |
So their number one policy of begging Brussels for more money ad nauseum has gone down the shi itter, where do they go from here? Perhaps the party of Wales will have to actually think of a way for Wales to create her own wealth and well being.
I see carwyns knee jerk reaction is to beg Westminster for more money via the Barnett formula. How original and thoughtful our esteemed politicians are. |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 23:03 - Jun 24 with 2017 views | Brynmill_Jack |
The Scots want to team up with the mayor of london to deal with Brussels. No mention of plaid unfortunately. Mwaahahhaahahahahahah |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 23:08 - Jun 24 with 2011 views | yescomeon |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 23:12 - Jun 24 with 1999 views | Brynmill_Jack |
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Mmmmnnn. Plaid - sh*t welsh assembly election results, outshone by ukip. Not to mention virtually ALL of Wales voted out. Houston - This mission is f*cked | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 23:20 - Jun 24 with 1986 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Not to worry
Boris will give us the cash  |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 23:56 - Jun 24 with 1949 views | yescomeon |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 23:12 - Jun 24 by Brynmill_Jack |
Mmmmnnn. Plaid - sh*t welsh assembly election results, outshone by ukip. Not to mention virtually ALL of Wales voted out. Houston - This mission is f*cked |
Who give a sh*t reallly. The political landscape has changed. Plaid need to be clear and honest about independence and the aim to make Wales an independent country within the EU. UKIPers aren't going to be converted but its the direction they should take now in my opinion. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 00:10 - Jun 25 with 1936 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 23:56 - Jun 24 by yescomeon |
Who give a sh*t reallly. The political landscape has changed. Plaid need to be clear and honest about independence and the aim to make Wales an independent country within the EU. UKIPers aren't going to be converted but its the direction they should take now in my opinion. |
That may be what you want, and plaid too. The rest of Wales has gone to the ballot box twice to thwart those ambitions. That's all I'm saying. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 00:39 - Jun 25 with 1916 views | yescomeon |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 00:10 - Jun 25 by Brynmill_Jack |
That may be what you want, and plaid too. The rest of Wales has gone to the ballot box twice to thwart those ambitions. That's all I'm saying. |
And I agree with you but Plaid ain't exactly breaking down the door at the senedd as it is. Stand up for what you believe in and be up front about it for christs sake. Today has shown that anything is possible. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 00:54 - Jun 25 with 1911 views | Kerouac |
Plaid are marooned on a flimsy raft up shit creek.
The Welsh public don't want independence (2%).
They don't want the EU (17 out of 22 regions voted out).
They don't want Plaid (UKIP made the gains Plaid should have last time). |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 01:31 - Jun 25 with 1886 views | Kilkennyjack |
Rubbish |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 05:20 - Jun 25 with 1861 views | Highjack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 01:31 - Jun 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Rubbish |
Yes I agree, sadly Plaid are rubbish. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 06:19 - Jun 25 with 1851 views | Dr_Winston |
Securing Independence for Wales in Europe.
They should probably rethink that slogan. Also the whole "independence" thing since their main reason for wanting to stay was a £500m handout. |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 07:53 - Jun 25 with 1812 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 06:19 - Jun 25 by Dr_Winston |
Securing Independence for Wales in Europe.
They should probably rethink that slogan. Also the whole "independence" thing since their main reason for wanting to stay was a £500m handout. |
Did you hear that Carwyn has said he wants to deal with the EU directly? I don't think he's understood the result. Nice little sideswipe at the valleys yesterday from him - something along the lines of they should be grateful to the EU because of the funding they've received.
I think that's actually an indictment on the WAG and the UK government for not being pro active in generating wealth and sustainable employment in those areas . Lazy b*stsrds. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 07:58 - Jun 25 with 1808 views | perchrockjack |
One thing is clear.
Wales desperately needs England to support it if Scotland goes.
Wales has no wealth, it has to rely on others.
It's sad but thst s how it is.
What the likes of tramp should do is to get down on his knees and be thankful England simply doesn't cut Wales adrift. England doesn't need Wales. Plaid should disband and Leanne go back to her previous job |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:06 - Jun 25 with 1787 views | yescomeon |
Wales doesn't need England anymore than the UK needs the EU. Wales has to rely on "handouts" because she is not given the chance to raise her own tax. Wales will never improve her situation until she is given control over her own affairs, whether that is in the UK (UK is relegated to the history books if we leave) or on her own. Any group of people has the ability to be self sufficient if they choose to. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:13 - Jun 25 with 1778 views | perchrockjack |
Wales has not the legal or financial structure of Scotland to break away.
Taxes? From whom. How much?
Wales has always been inextricably linked with England, to leave the union would lave to starvation.
It's why welsh people always vote against it.
Try canvassing support in Swansea for plaid | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:19 - Jun 25 with 1766 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:06 - Jun 25 by yescomeon |
Wales doesn't need England anymore than the UK needs the EU. Wales has to rely on "handouts" because she is not given the chance to raise her own tax. Wales will never improve her situation until she is given control over her own affairs, whether that is in the UK (UK is relegated to the history books if we leave) or on her own. Any group of people has the ability to be self sufficient if they choose to. |
So you think we should be self sufficient but within the EU ? Won't we be getting hand outs from them though? So we won't be self sufficient and therefore not self determining???? | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:47 - Jun 25 with 1752 views | yescomeon |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:13 - Jun 25 by perchrockjack |
Wales has not the legal or financial structure of Scotland to break away.
Taxes? From whom. How much?
Wales has always been inextricably linked with England, to leave the union would lave to starvation.
It's why welsh people always vote against it.
Try canvassing support in Swansea for plaid |
You are right but I don't see what is wrong with trying to put the structure in place that would allow us to be self sufficient if we chose to be. Or working towards meeting criteria for EU membership. It would imply improving the situation in Wales from what it currently is. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:51 - Jun 25 with 1746 views | yescomeon |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:19 - Jun 25 by Brynmill_Jack |
So you think we should be self sufficient but within the EU ? Won't we be getting hand outs from them though? So we won't be self sufficient and therefore not self determining???? |
Do all nations in the EU receive handouts? An independent Wales within the EU would have far more self determination than they do at present. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:00 - Jun 25 with 1733 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:51 - Jun 25 by yescomeon |
Do all nations in the EU receive handouts? An independent Wales within the EU would have far more self determination than they do at present. |
I disagree. One thing that may not be obvious now is that in the UK we are one of four. In the EU we would be one of 27/28. We would be lumped into a one size fits all dictatorship and the nuances and needs of a country like ours would be ignored. It's like being one of twenty odd children to one of four. We wouldn't get the same focus or attention. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:09 - Jun 25 with 1722 views | yescomeon |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:00 - Jun 25 by Brynmill_Jack |
I disagree. One thing that may not be obvious now is that in the UK we are one of four. In the EU we would be one of 27/28. We would be lumped into a one size fits all dictatorship and the nuances and needs of a country like ours would be ignored. It's like being one of twenty odd children to one of four. We wouldn't get the same focus or attention. |
We don't get to collect and distribute our own taxes, how do we have any self determination. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:15 - Jun 25 with 1711 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:09 - Jun 25 by yescomeon |
We don't get to collect and distribute our own taxes, how do we have any self determination. |
A country of our size would be in debt to the troika in no time at all. We simply don't have the resources . | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:25 - Jun 25 with 1697 views | yescomeon |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:15 - Jun 25 by Brynmill_Jack |
A country of our size would be in debt to the troika in no time at all. We simply don't have the resources . |
I think we do have resources, and there are plenty of countries out there smaller than Wales that manage just fine. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:57 - Jun 25 with 1678 views | nice_to_michu |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:25 - Jun 25 by yescomeon |
I think we do have resources, and there are plenty of countries out there smaller than Wales that manage just fine. |
What resources are you referring to?
A lot of the smaller countries that are doing well have large financial service sectors, I don't envision Wales having that. So what would keep the country afloat? [Post edited 25 Jun 2016 9:58]
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 10:00 - Jun 25 with 1666 views | Dr_Winston |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:57 - Jun 25 by nice_to_michu |
What resources are you referring to?
A lot of the smaller countries that are doing well have large financial service sectors, I don't envision Wales having that. So what would keep the country afloat? [Post edited 25 Jun 2016 9:58]
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Water? | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:38 - Jun 25 with 1619 views | waynekerr55 |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 10:00 - Jun 25 by Dr_Winston |
Water? |
Way to take a holiday |  |
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