| Wag spending on Cardiff 12:25 - Aug 24 with 1885 views | Banosswan |
http://m.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/8203-this-spaceport-like-glass-palace-coul
£7.6m for Swansea station, £200m + for Cardiff.
Obviously Cardiff is a bigger, busier station (5x more passengers than Swansea), but spending 25x the amount!
They'll probably point to Birmingham new street recently having a £550m refit (3x passengers of Cardiff and the major station for the UK outside London).
How much will come from network rail and how much from wag? It's all our money regardless.
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 14:55 - Aug 24 with 1770 views | Clinton |
Wow it looks fantastic, that'll put them in the Premier League of train stations. |  |
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 17:13 - Aug 24 with 1704 views | Jackofdreambeach |
A relentless case for rail expansion pushed by the government and Welsh TV media for Cardiff rail expansion. More to come with capital square being built and multi billion metro funding secured through city region deal.
Similarly read 'Sofia Gardens cricket expansion' and Cardiff City stadium.
The fact that the cricket stadium is probably under 30% full for most of the time rolls into the boundary in many peoples eyes.
It would be good and just to see a similar 'beneficial for Wales' approach to economy and funding for Swansea. Reference Swansea to Cork ferry ,Tidal lagoon, city regeneration and potential Swansea airport expansion . |  | | |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 17:26 - Aug 24 with 1672 views | trampie |
Swansea people need to vote Plaid, Plaid will spread the wealth, Swansea people are making a rod for their own back voting for the Westminster parties. |  |
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 18:01 - Aug 24 with 1637 views | raynor94 |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 17:26 - Aug 24 by trampie |
Swansea people need to vote Plaid, Plaid will spread the wealth, Swansea people are making a rod for their own back voting for the Westminster parties. |
I'd vote Captain Beany before Plaid |  |
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 18:15 - Aug 24 with 1612 views | Private_Partz |
WAG are carrying on as normal. God knows how long it is going to take before people wake up and smell the coffee. The good news is that if Welsh Labour carry on as they are they will be in no position to run the Assembly come the next elections.
An example of what we are up against. Martin Morgan proposes developing Swansea Airport with a consortium. The first person to pour cold water is Gerallt Marsh. I looked him up. He is a bigwig in Air Wales. A body set up to promote air transport across the principality. Unsurprisingly he is heavily involved in WAG advisory meetings, Rhoose Airport and the development of routes from there by Vueling Airlines. Surprise surprise he comes up with objections. All the arguments he puts up against it are standard for any new project such as finance, local objections and planning permission. He throws in the area is too small to support it as well which flies (pun not intended) in the face of other airports already serving smaller populations relatively succefully. [Post edited 24 Aug 2016 19:37]
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 13:00 - Aug 25 with 1399 views | johnlangy |
So, if we add up the £200 m for the train station, the £150 m for the new bus station next door, the £120 m for the new BBC HQ that comes to £470 m. On top of that, if you check out the 1 Central Square development already just about finished to be followed by 2 Central Square the overall investment in this one area of Cardiff dwarfs the entire cost of the first part of the proposed Swansea Centre development.
And on Walesonline there's a headline 'The 10 Major Developments Transforming Cardiff'. I'm not going to bother checking out the cost of the other nine but at a conservative estimate the ten together probably comes to at least £3 billion.
Then when you add the £3 billion that WE'LL have to pay (all public money) for the M4 relief road and the Metro both of which will ensure more and more people (spenders ?) are guided into their beloved Cardiff it makes you wonder whether there'll be anything left in the coffers for investing in the rest of Wales. | | | |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 13:50 - Aug 25 with 1353 views | Wingstandwood |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 13:00 - Aug 25 by johnlangy |
So, if we add up the £200 m for the train station, the £150 m for the new bus station next door, the £120 m for the new BBC HQ that comes to £470 m. On top of that, if you check out the 1 Central Square development already just about finished to be followed by 2 Central Square the overall investment in this one area of Cardiff dwarfs the entire cost of the first part of the proposed Swansea Centre development.
And on Walesonline there's a headline 'The 10 Major Developments Transforming Cardiff'. I'm not going to bother checking out the cost of the other nine but at a conservative estimate the ten together probably comes to at least £3 billion.
Then when you add the £3 billion that WE'LL have to pay (all public money) for the M4 relief road and the Metro both of which will ensure more and more people (spenders ?) are guided into their beloved Cardiff it makes you wonder whether there'll be anything left in the coffers for investing in the rest of Wales. |
Labour policies of OBSCENE regional exclusion and partition will come back and bite them in the future e.g. loss of Gower seat at last general election. Watch out for Labour seats like Wrexham etc being lost to the Tories in the near future.
Ex Labour safe seats in stronghold constituencies going blue! The end product of a WAG completely devoid of fairness and morals that shows utter contempt for all areas/regions outside of Cardiff! Welsh Labour stink! [Post edited 25 Aug 2016 13:52]
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 14:40 - Aug 25 with 1310 views | johnlangy |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 13:50 - Aug 25 by Wingstandwood |
Labour policies of OBSCENE regional exclusion and partition will come back and bite them in the future e.g. loss of Gower seat at last general election. Watch out for Labour seats like Wrexham etc being lost to the Tories in the near future.
Ex Labour safe seats in stronghold constituencies going blue! The end product of a WAG completely devoid of fairness and morals that shows utter contempt for all areas/regions outside of Cardiff! Welsh Labour stink! [Post edited 25 Aug 2016 13:52]
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 14:58 - Aug 25 with 1296 views | Dr_Winston |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 13:00 - Aug 25 by johnlangy |
So, if we add up the £200 m for the train station, the £150 m for the new bus station next door, the £120 m for the new BBC HQ that comes to £470 m. On top of that, if you check out the 1 Central Square development already just about finished to be followed by 2 Central Square the overall investment in this one area of Cardiff dwarfs the entire cost of the first part of the proposed Swansea Centre development.
And on Walesonline there's a headline 'The 10 Major Developments Transforming Cardiff'. I'm not going to bother checking out the cost of the other nine but at a conservative estimate the ten together probably comes to at least £3 billion.
Then when you add the £3 billion that WE'LL have to pay (all public money) for the M4 relief road and the Metro both of which will ensure more and more people (spenders ?) are guided into their beloved Cardiff it makes you wonder whether there'll be anything left in the coffers for investing in the rest of Wales. |
How much of that money is coming from the WAG? |  |
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 17:40 - Aug 25 with 1221 views | Badgeman |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 14:40 - Aug 25 by johnlangy |
An up arrow from me. |
The secret Tories are talking to each other again. |  |
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 18:09 - Aug 25 with 1186 views | clloy2 |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 17:40 - Aug 25 by Badgeman |
The secret Tories are talking to each other again. |
The acid test will be be now that we have a conservative MP in Gower, what will the tories do for Swansea. They have the power to give the green light to the Swansea Bay Barrage, which at £1bn will be a huge boost to local infrastructure spending. The sceptic in me says in reality nothing will happen, because unfortunately the tories aren't really bothered what goes on outside of England. Would be interested to hear from people who voted labour in WAG elections, what they think their member is doing for Swansea, or what their thoughts are on the obscene amounts of money being invested in Cardiff. The new train station being a prime example of this. Mind you with our incompetent council, even if the WAG were to give us £5bn tomorrow, they wouldn't have the brains or ability to know what to do with it. Bendy buses and the Kingsway being a point in question. I often think if the Lufftwafe had know what the council were intending to do in Swansea, they wouldn't have bothered to bomb us during the war. | | | |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 18:15 - Aug 25 with 1177 views | johnlangy |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 14:58 - Aug 25 by Dr_Winston |
How much of that money is coming from the WAG? |
Not much of the development costs but we'll never know what the deal was in regard to the land and preferential rates or whatever. But what makes it so profitable to all these private investors to put their money into Cardiff is the provision of all the facilities that draw people into Cardiff.
The Mill Stadium (a large investment by CCC to work with the WRU to ensure it was redeveloped in Cardiff), a large (was it £47 million someone said) of our money toward the cost of the Mill Centre, the WHOLE of the £70 million of the cost of the Sennedd, which in itself is a tourist draw. And then there's the cost of all the internal infrastructure within Cardiff. Some one on another thread stated that, of the £3 billion or so invested in Cardiff Bay £800 million came from the WAG.
And, of course, the M4 relief and Metro will be 100% from the WAG (or from us to be precise). Just £3 billion. | | | |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 18:46 - Aug 25 with 1167 views | Wingstandwood |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 18:15 - Aug 25 by johnlangy |
Not much of the development costs but we'll never know what the deal was in regard to the land and preferential rates or whatever. But what makes it so profitable to all these private investors to put their money into Cardiff is the provision of all the facilities that draw people into Cardiff.
The Mill Stadium (a large investment by CCC to work with the WRU to ensure it was redeveloped in Cardiff), a large (was it £47 million someone said) of our money toward the cost of the Mill Centre, the WHOLE of the £70 million of the cost of the Sennedd, which in itself is a tourist draw. And then there's the cost of all the internal infrastructure within Cardiff. Some one on another thread stated that, of the £3 billion or so invested in Cardiff Bay £800 million came from the WAG.
And, of course, the M4 relief and Metro will be 100% from the WAG (or from us to be precise). Just £3 billion. |
Welsh Millennium Centre cost?..... £37 million WAG money towards building…..£13.5 million in 2007 to pay off its debts and to prevent its closure….. and nine continuous years of subsidy paying approx £4 million a year since 2007. So it has so far cost approx £82.9 million - £86.5 million and rising.
But hey folks it apparently is for the whole of Wales and (bullshit hey!) benefits us all????? From brochure quote: "As an economic driver, the Centre makes a significant contribution, not only in the immediate city-region but across Wales. Cardiff Business School’s economic impact study of the Centre estimates an annual contribution of some £40 million to the Welsh economy"........ Aint we lucky hey? How could Swansea ever manage without it hey? Blaenau Gwent has never had it so good thanks to the opera? I wonder if they're cheering and shouting its name from the rooftops in Wrexham and Rhyl? [Post edited 25 Aug 2016 18:50]
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 09:46 - Aug 26 with 1027 views | johnlangy |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 18:46 - Aug 25 by Wingstandwood |
Welsh Millennium Centre cost?..... £37 million WAG money towards building…..£13.5 million in 2007 to pay off its debts and to prevent its closure….. and nine continuous years of subsidy paying approx £4 million a year since 2007. So it has so far cost approx £82.9 million - £86.5 million and rising.
But hey folks it apparently is for the whole of Wales and (bullshit hey!) benefits us all????? From brochure quote: "As an economic driver, the Centre makes a significant contribution, not only in the immediate city-region but across Wales. Cardiff Business School’s economic impact study of the Centre estimates an annual contribution of some £40 million to the Welsh economy"........ Aint we lucky hey? How could Swansea ever manage without it hey? Blaenau Gwent has never had it so good thanks to the opera? I wonder if they're cheering and shouting its name from the rooftops in Wrexham and Rhyl? [Post edited 25 Aug 2016 18:50]
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Good stuff.
I wonder if the Cardiff Business School provided a breakdown of where in Wales that contribution benefited. At a guess i would say Cardiff £40 million, the rest of Wales £0 million. And, as you say, £4 million of our money is spent EVERY year to ensure Cardiff gets another £40 million EVERY year. | | | |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 09:58 - Aug 26 with 1018 views | CopperJack |
Realistically, we acquiesced to this happening by voting them in during the elections. We are the Uncle Toms, the turkeys that vote for Christmas, and as such, we're treated like battery hens.
I really thought the elections this year would've been an opportunity to put the wind up Labour when they're reeling from in-fighting etc. Instead, we voted for another 5 years of austerity from the Welsh Government, while we stare at Cardiff which continues to have Welsh taxpayer money lavishly spent on it. You get the government you deserve, and the electorate of Swansea is too ignorant to help itself.
Don't see this ever changing, sadly. | |
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| Wag spending on Cardiff on 10:05 - Aug 26 with 1013 views | johnlangy |
| Wag spending on Cardiff on 09:58 - Aug 26 by CopperJack |
Realistically, we acquiesced to this happening by voting them in during the elections. We are the Uncle Toms, the turkeys that vote for Christmas, and as such, we're treated like battery hens.
I really thought the elections this year would've been an opportunity to put the wind up Labour when they're reeling from in-fighting etc. Instead, we voted for another 5 years of austerity from the Welsh Government, while we stare at Cardiff which continues to have Welsh taxpayer money lavishly spent on it. You get the government you deserve, and the electorate of Swansea is too ignorant to help itself.
Don't see this ever changing, sadly. |
It WAS a great pity that Labour didn't lose more than 1 seat at the last Assembly election.
Having said that, in the constituency votes their share was down 7.6% and in the regional vote it was down 5.4%. We are stuck with them for another 5 years but, if the same share vote drop happens next time it will probably mean a major change to their Assembly member numbers.
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