| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party 13:43 - Sep 24 with 4046 views | trampie |
All Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party which means most of their MP's should be expelled along with the right wingers that have infiltrated the party over the decades.
If they don't expel the Red Tories and continue with their right wing policies then Labour should change their name to the 'New Conservative' party as to not confuse the public that have limited interest in politics. |  |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 15:25 - Sep 25 with 863 views | blueytheblue |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 15:23 - Sep 25 by exiledclaseboy |
But the Labour flag they were elected under is a totally different one to what the party now is and will further become now that Corbyn is firmly ensconced. [Post edited 25 Sep 2016 15:24]
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Which means those MPs with an actual clue who realise the middle ground is where elections are won and not by sixth form political dogma can bide their time.
It's either wait for the election where Corbyn gets routed meaning he has to go or split via the Co-op party route.
Since they seem to think Labour has any brand value, it'll probably be the former. |  |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 23:28 - Sep 25 with 789 views | Taliesin |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 15:13 - Sep 25 by Highjack |
Clearly, but I'm sure even you are aware that they were elected to represent their constituency under the labour flag. If they all get expelled from the party then labour are sticking a big two fingers up at the people who elected them. |
But they won't be expelled will they. Expulsion has always been the tool used by the right of the party against the left.
They may well be deselected but that will be the decision of the branch membership |  | | |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 23:50 - Sep 25 with 774 views | Highjack |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 23:28 - Sep 25 by Taliesin |
But they won't be expelled will they. Expulsion has always been the tool used by the right of the party against the left.
They may well be deselected but that will be the decision of the branch membership |
Yeah if they were all expelled there'd be no fu ckers left and they'd have to form a coalition with the Lib Dems in order to bring their seats back into double figures. |  |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 11:53 - Sep 26 with 735 views | acejack3065 |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 15:25 - Sep 25 by blueytheblue |
Which means those MPs with an actual clue who realise the middle ground is where elections are won and not by sixth form political dogma can bide their time.
It's either wait for the election where Corbyn gets routed meaning he has to go or split via the Co-op party route.
Since they seem to think Labour has any brand value, it'll probably be the former. |
The co-op thing won't happen.
Disenchanted people should remember that Labour leaderships come and go, and factions rise and fall all the time. Corbyn still has far from a hammer lock on the party with most of the PLP, and nearly 80% of pre 2015 members still "highly skeptical" about his leadership. The main power grab actually now concerns the NEC. If the NEC is expanded to include representatives from Welsh Labour and Scottish Labour, it would in effect neutralise Corbyns razor thin grip on Labours governing body.
If the "non corbynistas" retain control of the NEC as expected then there will likely be very few defections. |  | | |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 12:12 - Sep 26 with 726 views | father_jack |
boring cvnt |  |
| DRINK, FECK, GIRRRRLLSSS! |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 12:24 - Sep 26 with 713 views | blueytheblue |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 11:53 - Sep 26 by acejack3065 |
The co-op thing won't happen.
Disenchanted people should remember that Labour leaderships come and go, and factions rise and fall all the time. Corbyn still has far from a hammer lock on the party with most of the PLP, and nearly 80% of pre 2015 members still "highly skeptical" about his leadership. The main power grab actually now concerns the NEC. If the NEC is expanded to include representatives from Welsh Labour and Scottish Labour, it would in effect neutralise Corbyns razor thin grip on Labours governing body.
If the "non corbynistas" retain control of the NEC as expected then there will likely be very few defections. |
Hmm, hadn't Corbynistas taken over the NEC? Seems to remember some pro Corbyn appointments?
Wouldn't be surprised to see a Momentum coup to abolish NEC anyway... Corbyn wouldn't back it but wouldn't exactly argue against it... | |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 12:35 - Sep 26 with 705 views | Professor |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 11:53 - Sep 26 by acejack3065 |
The co-op thing won't happen.
Disenchanted people should remember that Labour leaderships come and go, and factions rise and fall all the time. Corbyn still has far from a hammer lock on the party with most of the PLP, and nearly 80% of pre 2015 members still "highly skeptical" about his leadership. The main power grab actually now concerns the NEC. If the NEC is expanded to include representatives from Welsh Labour and Scottish Labour, it would in effect neutralise Corbyns razor thin grip on Labours governing body.
If the "non corbynistas" retain control of the NEC as expected then there will likely be very few defections. |
Yes-these things a cyclical and I suspect the Labour party will move towards a more centrist approach after the next election. The conservatives are increasingly moving to the right under May after the relative moderate that was Cameron. I fully expect another nine years of conservative government by which time we may need change as revolutionary as the 1945 Atlee government. I don't dislike Corbyn but feel he and Momentum represent a lately urban 'right on' vision of Labour (which given this is largely anti-Israeli) seems anti-semitic and a touch bullying.It does not represent my views but he won a fair election. | | | |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 12:37 - Sep 26 with 698 views | blueytheblue |
Watching McDonnell at the moment. Nice soundbites and of course no real explanation of how they'll be paid for.
Amazed the media haven't really picked up on the fact that at GLC Livingstone fired him. Being fired by Ken Livingstone has to be a career lowlight.
EDIT: One example of how out of touch he is; stating high speed broadband to be available to all. Granted, work needs to be performed in rural areas but the guy fails to grasp not everyone needs high speed broadband. Not everyone is streaming movies all day... for the vast majority of people, lower speeds are fine for simple browsing and email.
Try focusing resources where they will be effective, don't promise everyone free unicorns... [Post edited 26 Sep 2016 12:39]
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 12:53 - Sep 26 with 682 views | acejack3065 |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 12:24 - Sep 26 by blueytheblue |
Hmm, hadn't Corbynistas taken over the NEC? Seems to remember some pro Corbyn appointments?
Wouldn't be surprised to see a Momentum coup to abolish NEC anyway... Corbyn wouldn't back it but wouldn't exactly argue against it... |
The Corbyn slate did clean sweep the NEC elections in the summer but that doesn't mean they have control, like many of his supporters think.
If they wanted to abolish the NEC they'd ironically have to go through the NEC as well as conference! It would be almost impossible to change the party so drastically before say, a general election which he'd stand to lose. As it stands Corbyn has about a 2 seat majority on the NEC but it's a little more complicated than that. Certain members have been known to fluxuate between camps and many actually vote on the merit of the issue. For example Corbyn opposed a secret ballot on the vote to allow him to stand and he lost, but then won his right to stand in the leadership election in the next vote.
Expanding the NEC would in effect neutralise it as it would be two "anti-Corbyn" spots that he'd have no realistic chance of ever gaining. | | | |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 12:56 - Sep 26 with 678 views | blueytheblue |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 12:53 - Sep 26 by acejack3065 |
The Corbyn slate did clean sweep the NEC elections in the summer but that doesn't mean they have control, like many of his supporters think.
If they wanted to abolish the NEC they'd ironically have to go through the NEC as well as conference! It would be almost impossible to change the party so drastically before say, a general election which he'd stand to lose. As it stands Corbyn has about a 2 seat majority on the NEC but it's a little more complicated than that. Certain members have been known to fluxuate between camps and many actually vote on the merit of the issue. For example Corbyn opposed a secret ballot on the vote to allow him to stand and he lost, but then won his right to stand in the leadership election in the next vote.
Expanding the NEC would in effect neutralise it as it would be two "anti-Corbyn" spots that he'd have no realistic chance of ever gaining. |
You're right, certain members do float. I suspect Momentum are developing a culture within Labour where it's... helpful... if you assimilate.
Corbyn opposed a secret ballot for the simple reason it would publicly identify those "against" him. | |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 13:02 - Sep 26 with 669 views | acejack3065 |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 12:35 - Sep 26 by Professor |
Yes-these things a cyclical and I suspect the Labour party will move towards a more centrist approach after the next election. The conservatives are increasingly moving to the right under May after the relative moderate that was Cameron. I fully expect another nine years of conservative government by which time we may need change as revolutionary as the 1945 Atlee government. I don't dislike Corbyn but feel he and Momentum represent a lately urban 'right on' vision of Labour (which given this is largely anti-Israeli) seems anti-semitic and a touch bullying.It does not represent my views but he won a fair election. |
I'm a working class boy from Gorseionon and I always considered myself on the left of the party, certainly when I joined many a year ago. However, Corbyn and his clique are completely detached from the needs and views of the working class in this country. They are very much the metropolitan, liberal elite, happy to take the moral high ground on many a fashionable issue but happy to ignore plenty a cause that doesn't square with their world view.
Corbyn was happy to protest Israel and Apartheid from the safety of Islington, but he was deafeningly silent for virtually all of his parliamentary career about the rife child sex abuse that was happening in his borough. I wonder if it has anything to do with the catastrophic failures of his trot friends that ran the local council at the time who went to shameful lengths to in effect cover it up. | | | |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 13:06 - Sep 26 with 668 views | acejack3065 |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 12:56 - Sep 26 by blueytheblue |
You're right, certain members do float. I suspect Momentum are developing a culture within Labour where it's... helpful... if you assimilate.
Corbyn opposed a secret ballot for the simple reason it would publicly identify those "against" him. |
Of course he did. Female members of the NEC who were backing his bid to be on the ballot pleaded with him over concerns of safety, and he still said no. Kinder gentler eh!
Momentum are already trying. I'm hoping that without the divisiveness of a polarising leadership challenge, they struggle to split ordinary members. | | | |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 14:18 - Sep 26 with 644 views | Professor |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 13:02 - Sep 26 by acejack3065 |
I'm a working class boy from Gorseionon and I always considered myself on the left of the party, certainly when I joined many a year ago. However, Corbyn and his clique are completely detached from the needs and views of the working class in this country. They are very much the metropolitan, liberal elite, happy to take the moral high ground on many a fashionable issue but happy to ignore plenty a cause that doesn't square with their world view.
Corbyn was happy to protest Israel and Apartheid from the safety of Islington, but he was deafeningly silent for virtually all of his parliamentary career about the rife child sex abuse that was happening in his borough. I wonder if it has anything to do with the catastrophic failures of his trot friends that ran the local council at the time who went to shameful lengths to in effect cover it up. |
I agree-he does not meet the needs of those Labour was formed to represent. I am from working-class background too, but long since became middle-class, arguably the sort of person who would support the views of the liberal elite. What is needed is government that gives people a chance- I don't think Corbyn will deliver this. although I am a Labour party member (they best represent me as a UK-wide party) I guess my views are more centre-left social democracy than socialist | | | |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 14:22 - Sep 26 with 637 views | acejack3065 |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 14:18 - Sep 26 by Professor |
I agree-he does not meet the needs of those Labour was formed to represent. I am from working-class background too, but long since became middle-class, arguably the sort of person who would support the views of the liberal elite. What is needed is government that gives people a chance- I don't think Corbyn will deliver this. although I am a Labour party member (they best represent me as a UK-wide party) I guess my views are more centre-left social democracy than socialist |
Seems like we are coming from it at roughly the same angle. I'm resigned to Corbyn leading us to a general election so might as well try and make the best of it. | | | |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 14:33 - Sep 26 with 630 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 14:22 - Sep 26 by acejack3065 |
Seems like we are coming from it at roughly the same angle. I'm resigned to Corbyn leading us to a general election so might as well try and make the best of it. |
That's a good start
At least then we've given it a go ,because the last 2 weren't the best .
Debt still rising Osbourne did a great job there ,what a guy.
Tax payers give private landlords 9 billion a year .
And every things fine and dandy
Disgraceful stuff
They've all let us down [Post edited 26 Sep 2016 14:46]
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 14:51 - Sep 26 with 528 views | blueytheblue |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 14:33 - Sep 26 by oh_tommy_tommy |
That's a good start
At least then we've given it a go ,because the last 2 weren't the best .
Debt still rising Osbourne did a great job there ,what a guy.
Tax payers give private landlords 9 billion a year .
And every things fine and dandy
Disgraceful stuff
They've all let us down [Post edited 26 Sep 2016 14:46]
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S McDonnell pledges 250 - 500bn.
Where precisely is that coming from? The magical socialist money tree? Borrow and increase the deficit - bravo! | |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 15:02 - Sep 26 with 520 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 14:51 - Sep 26 by blueytheblue |
S McDonnell pledges 250 - 500bn.
Where precisely is that coming from? The magical socialist money tree? Borrow and increase the deficit - bravo! |
9 billion a year
Disgraceful eh blue ,don't you think ? [Post edited 26 Sep 2016 15:03]
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 15:23 - Sep 26 with 512 views | perchrockjack |
My opinion.
May drifting to the right? If only.
We need to reward risk takers who will start up firms to employ people, sort out the benefit reliant culture, end PR drivel, cut radically the Royal civil list or whatever it's called now, hammer the shitecwho blight people s daily lives, introduce higher taxes for those earning more than 200k, introduce compulsory community work for long term unemployed who refuse work, but most of all ..get this end child benefit for those not married under 21 and also limit child benefit to two children .
We also need the police to be allowed to do the job they repaid for and have mandatory jail for those who assault police, paramedics or fire personnel.
Oh, and let's really get into litter as it blights our island.
Right wing my arse, terese | |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 15:40 - Sep 26 with 502 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 15:23 - Sep 26 by perchrockjack |
My opinion.
May drifting to the right? If only.
We need to reward risk takers who will start up firms to employ people, sort out the benefit reliant culture, end PR drivel, cut radically the Royal civil list or whatever it's called now, hammer the shitecwho blight people s daily lives, introduce higher taxes for those earning more than 200k, introduce compulsory community work for long term unemployed who refuse work, but most of all ..get this end child benefit for those not married under 21 and also limit child benefit to two children .
We also need the police to be allowed to do the job they repaid for and have mandatory jail for those who assault police, paramedics or fire personnel.
Oh, and let's really get into litter as it blights our island.
Right wing my arse, terese |
That's more like it perchie | |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 15:54 - Sep 26 with 491 views | perchrockjack |
Good to disagree Tommy.
I'm not a labour man and not a conservative man
I ll vote as I see fit
Corbyn is a guy I hate from his cheap trainers to his stained scrawny shirt. Disgusting man who s a ,I ing hypocrite for us all all to see, but we don't, as some see him as a class warrior,
May is as utterly superfluous as he.
Just a shame David Davis has an oversized ego as he really could unite this country, which is whst we need | |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 16:08 - Sep 26 with 484 views | blueytheblue |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 15:02 - Sep 26 by oh_tommy_tommy |
9 billion a year
Disgraceful eh blue ,don't you think ? [Post edited 26 Sep 2016 15:03]
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Indeed. Sooner is something done about those abusing council housing the better. Didn't a well paid union leader live in a council house, hmm?
But increasing the deficit will be pretty dumb, eh?
Oh wait. I forgot the Magic Socialist Money Tree. Beats magic beans I suppose. [Post edited 26 Sep 2016 16:10]
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 16:13 - Sep 26 with 478 views | Darran |
Does anyone actually like McDonnell?
What a horrible c*nt. |  |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 16:16 - Sep 26 with 476 views | blueytheblue |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 16:13 - Sep 26 by Darran |
Does anyone actually like McDonnell?
What a horrible c*nt. |
I suspect his IRA buddies like him.
Even Ken Livingstone fired him from GLC. | |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 16:17 - Sep 26 with 474 views | perchrockjack |
My hatred of Corbin and his ilk clearly have their genesis in the late seventies.
I d moved jp to the north west and eventually joined plod as I was in a bit of a state job wise due to the economy of the time.
I was, fair to say, leftish leaning with fascist overtones but having to,more of less baby sit degsy Hatton and mulhearn changed me forever. Can't really go into details but suffice to say everything that degsy stood for, was a sham . Corbyn is saying basically what militant tendency did and it's why we were subjected to thatcher for so long. | |
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| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 16:17 - Sep 26 with 474 views | Darran |
| Red Tories should be expelled from the Labour party on 16:16 - Sep 26 by blueytheblue |
I suspect his IRA buddies like him.
Even Ken Livingstone fired him from GLC. |
He's vile. | |
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