| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:04 - Oct 4 with 2251 views | vetchonian |
Well I started a thread earlier on this looks like there could be something in it....and could provide the Americans with a vwehicle to take money out of us through "inflated" transfer fees for players bought in from DC United? |  |
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| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:33 - Oct 4 with 2169 views | westwalesed |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:04 - Oct 4 by vetchonian |
Well I started a thread earlier on this looks like there could be something in it....and could provide the Americans with a vwehicle to take money out of us through "inflated" transfer fees for players bought in from DC United? |
Apologies I didn't see the earlier thread. I have no idea how it would work if you make a transfer between two clubs which you own? I was more concerned about the standard of player which we will be getting in (if it happens). But yes, if we were to buy the next Freddy Adu for some ridiculous fee alarm bells would be massively ringing........not that they are not ringing already I might add. | |
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| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:41 - Oct 4 with 2115 views | yescomeon |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:33 - Oct 4 by westwalesed |
Apologies I didn't see the earlier thread. I have no idea how it would work if you make a transfer between two clubs which you own? I was more concerned about the standard of player which we will be getting in (if it happens). But yes, if we were to buy the next Freddy Adu for some ridiculous fee alarm bells would be massively ringing........not that they are not ringing already I might add. |
My initial reaction is that it isn't allowed, but I think Man City transfer players between themselves and NYCFC who the Man City owners own I believe. |  |
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| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:45 - Oct 4 with 2103 views | LeonisGod |
Worrying that. More evidence that this is a vanity project. I've no problem with us signing players from anywhere if they are good enough, but can't see how we can be convinced an objective assessment has been made with Levien, Kaplan and Bradley calling the shots. it may work out, but more than likely the difference in quality will become very apparent if and when we sign anyone. A bit like Yedlin, who was stand-out in the World Cup but bang average here and now plying his trade in our 2nd division.
Those who are anti-Huw may want to think about who in the club has the best chance of talking some sense into Levien, Kaplan and Bradley (especially seeing as the Trust are ignored and impotent). |  | | |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:51 - Oct 4 with 2076 views | Highjack |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:41 - Oct 4 by yescomeon |
My initial reaction is that it isn't allowed, but I think Man City transfer players between themselves and NYCFC who the Man City owners own I believe. |
Yeah and I'm sure the mad Lithuanian who used to own hearts did the same thing. |  |
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| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:54 - Oct 4 with 2058 views | LeonisGod |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:41 - Oct 4 by yescomeon |
My initial reaction is that it isn't allowed, but I think Man City transfer players between themselves and NYCFC who the Man City owners own I believe. |
Must be allowed, as Watford have been buying from other Pozzo owned clubs this summer. At inflated rates it seems - that Isaac Success guy they bought from Granada is only 20 and they paid about £12m for him | | | |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:58 - Oct 4 with 2036 views | yescomeon |
My reaction is now that it shouldn't be allowed. But all seems fair in love war and football. | |
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| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:59 - Oct 4 with 2026 views | max936 |
I said yesterday that I wouldn't be surprised to see at least 2 here, they'll need to be exceptional to survive in the Premier League although I very much doubt they will be, but the worry is that management will stick with them whatever happens, hope not but it wouldn't surprise anyone. |  |
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| Signing players from MLS.... on 14:01 - Oct 4 with 2011 views | LeonisGod |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:58 - Oct 4 by yescomeon |
My reaction is now that it shouldn't be allowed. But all seems fair in love war and football. |
Yep it seems like an easy way to move money around to avoid taxes, or satisfy FFP or whatever. Smells fishy to me. | | | |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 14:58 - Oct 4 with 1909 views | yescomeon |
I have no idea about players in the MLS. I had a look through the USA team on wiki, there are a few players there at top European level:
Christian Pulisic (18, Winger, Dortmund)
Michael Bradley (29, Midfielder, Toronto)
John Brooks (23, Defender, Hertha)
Geoff Cameron (31, Defender/Midfielder, Stoke)
Timothy Chandler (26, Right Back, Frankfurt)
Fabian Johnson (28, Fullback/Wide Midfield, Mochengladbach)
Julian Green (21, Winger, Munich)
Bobby Wood (23, Forward, Hamburg)
Matt Miazga (21, Defender, Vitesse loan from Chelsea)
Alfredo Morales (26, Defender/Midfielder, Ingolstadt)
Aron Jóhannsson (25, Striker, Bremen)
Mostly at top team sides atm, which is the sole basis of my speculating they can do it at that level. There's players like
Gyasi Zardes (25, LA, Wing Forward)
Mix Diskerud (26, NYC, Midfielder)
Alejandro Bedoya (29, Philadelphia, Attacking Midfielder/Winger)
Brek Shea (26, Dallas, Left Wing/Left Back)
who have a fair few caps and play in the MLS. Not much on that list to make you rush to the airport with the cheque book. Doesn't most of the good young American talent head to Europe early? | |
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| Signing players from MLS.... on 15:39 - Oct 4 with 1835 views | jasper_T |
A lot of good young American talent starts in Germany because their fathers are stationed there iirc. Half of the good ones don't set foot on an American football pitch until they get a call up to the national team.
John Brooks was born in Berlin. Scouring the MLS doesn't do much good in those cases. | | | |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 15:43 - Oct 4 with 1812 views | vetchonian |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 15:39 - Oct 4 by jasper_T |
A lot of good young American talent starts in Germany because their fathers are stationed there iirc. Half of the good ones don't set foot on an American football pitch until they get a call up to the national team.
John Brooks was born in Berlin. Scouring the MLS doesn't do much good in those cases. |
Apart from the possible lack of quality to be had from interclub signings my worry is this could be a vehicle for the Yanks to take cash out of SCFC via inflated transfer fees to DC United | |
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| Signing players from MLS.... on 15:45 - Oct 4 with 1802 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 15:43 - Oct 4 by vetchonian |
Apart from the possible lack of quality to be had from interclub signings my worry is this could be a vehicle for the Yanks to take cash out of SCFC via inflated transfer fees to DC United |
The players won't get a work permit so thankfully that little avenue won't be open. | | | |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 15:47 - Oct 4 with 1795 views | jasper_T |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 15:43 - Oct 4 by vetchonian |
Apart from the possible lack of quality to be had from interclub signings my worry is this could be a vehicle for the Yanks to take cash out of SCFC via inflated transfer fees to DC United |
Why would they want to bump up the bank balance of that franchise? The money does them as much good here as it does there, probably more.
DC United isn't their own piggy bank, isn't there a bunch of revenue-sharing socialist nonsense in the MLS? | | | |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 01:20 - Oct 5 with 1563 views | JoeSoccerFan |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 15:47 - Oct 4 by jasper_T |
Why would they want to bump up the bank balance of that franchise? The money does them as much good here as it does there, probably more.
DC United isn't their own piggy bank, isn't there a bunch of revenue-sharing socialist nonsense in the MLS? |
yes, sir.
MLS owns the contracts of all the players. They would need to approve all transactions.
The assumption that because MLS is lesser quality than PL (agree) that all of the players are of the same lesser quality. To assert that all of the MLS players are not PL quality is an ill-informed opinion.
The only PL quality DCU player is GK Bill Hamid. He started this year late because of knee surgery. He could play in the PL. DCU's best player is a young, tiny attacking midfielder, Acosta, on loan from Boca Juniors. But, he needs to continue to develop before he was ready for the PL.
However, there are other MLS players that could play in the PL, for example Uruguayan AM, Lidero (Seattle) and AM Diego Valeri (Portland) have sufficient quality, but Argentinian Valeri couldn't get a work permit.
Portland's forward Adi (Nigerian) was looked at by PL, but would not have been able to get a permit, either. | | | |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 01:52 - Oct 5 with 1524 views | RuDeMan1970 |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 13:51 - Oct 4 by Highjack |
Yeah and I'm sure the mad Lithuanian who used to own hearts did the same thing. |
Blimey..."the mad Lithuanian who used to own hearts" sounds like a character from the pen of Mary Shelley! |  |
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| Signing players from MLS.... on 02:57 - Oct 5 with 1495 views | stAteSwan |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 14:58 - Oct 4 by yescomeon |
I have no idea about players in the MLS. I had a look through the USA team on wiki, there are a few players there at top European level:
Christian Pulisic (18, Winger, Dortmund)
Michael Bradley (29, Midfielder, Toronto)
John Brooks (23, Defender, Hertha)
Geoff Cameron (31, Defender/Midfielder, Stoke)
Timothy Chandler (26, Right Back, Frankfurt)
Fabian Johnson (28, Fullback/Wide Midfield, Mochengladbach)
Julian Green (21, Winger, Munich)
Bobby Wood (23, Forward, Hamburg)
Matt Miazga (21, Defender, Vitesse loan from Chelsea)
Alfredo Morales (26, Defender/Midfielder, Ingolstadt)
Aron Jóhannsson (25, Striker, Bremen)
Mostly at top team sides atm, which is the sole basis of my speculating they can do it at that level. There's players like
Gyasi Zardes (25, LA, Wing Forward)
Mix Diskerud (26, NYC, Midfielder)
Alejandro Bedoya (29, Philadelphia, Attacking Midfielder/Winger)
Brek Shea (26, Dallas, Left Wing/Left Back)
who have a fair few caps and play in the MLS. Not much on that list to make you rush to the airport with the cheque book. Doesn't most of the good young American talent head to Europe early? |
It's worth noting that Bedoya, Diskerud, and Shea all played in Europe previously. Diskerud played in Norway for a couple different clubs, Shea played for Stoke, Barnsley, and Birmingham City, and Bedoya played regular minutes for Nantes before choosing to return home.
MLS has a bunch of unusual player allotment systems that allow it to purchase National Teamers interested in returning home from European clubs, and then place them with a team from MLS. It's why you don't see a ton of MLS to Europe transfers, because essentially to pick someone out of MLS, Swansea would have to negotiate with the league first, and then the actual club. | | | |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 04:25 - Oct 5 with 1453 views | phact0rri |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 02:57 - Oct 5 by stAteSwan |
It's worth noting that Bedoya, Diskerud, and Shea all played in Europe previously. Diskerud played in Norway for a couple different clubs, Shea played for Stoke, Barnsley, and Birmingham City, and Bedoya played regular minutes for Nantes before choosing to return home.
MLS has a bunch of unusual player allotment systems that allow it to purchase National Teamers interested in returning home from European clubs, and then place them with a team from MLS. It's why you don't see a ton of MLS to Europe transfers, because essentially to pick someone out of MLS, Swansea would have to negotiate with the league first, and then the actual club. |
MLS stuff is way confusing... its like they took the baseball set up and applied it to football. Funds caping, revenue sharing and such is fine. but the way they deal with personel, the draft system, and the franchize club set up is enough to give me headaches. |  |
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| Signing players from MLS.... on 05:12 - Oct 5 with 1437 views | JoeSoccerFan |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 04:25 - Oct 5 by phact0rri |
MLS stuff is way confusing... its like they took the baseball set up and applied it to football. Funds caping, revenue sharing and such is fine. but the way they deal with personel, the draft system, and the franchize club set up is enough to give me headaches. |
Agreed. It's very confusing and quite alien to European football.
The impetus for this setup was to prevent the same dissolution in USA soccer league (the old NASL) in the early 1980's. MLS is just 20 years old and early in its infancy almost folded with just 10 teams that were owned by just a few "investor-operators (IO)" (MLS-speak for owners).
Primarily, the cap controls costs for a single-entity league so clubs don't compete financially against each other driving up player costs to the detriment for the entire league. Now, there is some differences between some MLS teams in roster spending.
The draft is more like American football than American baseball. MLS is much more transparent - but with still a way to go - than it was years ago. The primary consideration between keeping IO money and parity which allows each team a chance to win. While the PL is competitive at the top with many teams having a legitimate chance of winning, much more than other top flight European, but the middle to lower level PL teams really have little to no chance of winning the PL. | | | |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 07:14 - Oct 5 with 1354 views | stAteSwan |
| Signing players from MLS.... on 04:25 - Oct 5 by phact0rri |
MLS stuff is way confusing... its like they took the baseball set up and applied it to football. Funds caping, revenue sharing and such is fine. but the way they deal with personel, the draft system, and the franchize club set up is enough to give me headaches. |
It was set up at a time that all of the other football leagues in the states had failed. The US was just coming off a hugely successful World Cup host in 1994, and MLS Was created at the request of FIFA to get the World Cup. Everybody involved with it knew that if the league went belly up, it would be a doomsday scenario for the growth of the sport in the states, and the end of ever dreaming of hosting another international tournament.
The idea became, set the league up as much as possible to copy the structuring of all other American Leagues, provide a clear way for all current Americans playing overseas (and there were several toiling it out in lower divisions in Europe) to return, and figure out how to deal with bringing in College players. Many here probably won't realize this, but when MLS was first set up, it was actually played with 80 minute halves with a clock that stopped because organizers believed that Americans would not embrace a game with a running clock and the idea of "stoppage time"
While many of the old rules eventually were done away with as MLS grew to the point that it was no longer a threat to go belly up, the league still had little clue how to handle upcoming College and High School players wishing to become pro.
What we have is a system that is hard to understand, with a league that has to run outside of the FIFA calendar because of the near impossibility of being able to compete with the NFL. I think ultimately, MLS is only going to have success bringing in quality European players that aren't at the twilight of their career if they can adjust not only the salary situation, but also work the league in a way to closer match the FIFA calendar. That's also going to help the league out in the CONCACAF version of the Champions League, where currently MLS sides get run over by Mexican sides every quarterfinal because the Knockout rounds are played in late February, with MLS teams coming off a 3 month break, and Mexican sides in midseason form. | | | |
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