Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? 11:28 - Oct 26 with 11013 views | CopaMundial | Just wondering. | | | | |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:10 - Oct 26 with 1139 views | vetchonian |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 19:17 - Oct 26 by TheResurrection | You haven't answered my question. Let's say he was aware and did meet with the Americans on a formal basis. What then and please, no waffle, just stick to the point. |
Do you know different? If so what are your sources and what else is there to come out that you keep hinting at? You currently are like a dog with a bone, it's as if you can't wait for the next revelation for you to say I told you so. As it stands persons on both sides HC and PS and HJ for the sellers have states HC was not involved with discussions or meetings relating to the sale until the Trust were informed so unless you have solid evidence to the contrary why can't you let it alone? I also asked on another thread if by chance you were related to any employee/s at the club is this the case? | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:11 - Oct 26 with 1135 views | exiledclaseboy | I can't agree that this is purely a governance issue and can be put to bed now that the Trust has new governance procedures in place. It's deeper than that for me and goes to the heart of what the Trust should be. As I said yesterday, the only way the Trust can even begin to move on is for HC to relinquish or be removed from his position and someone new takes on the supporter director role in accordance with the Trust's governance rules. If there's a paid supporter liaison role which is a club employee role then the club should employ someone for it, it should not be combined with the supporter director role. Completely agree with those who have said that the actions of the selling shareholders far outweigh those of the Trust in the "reprehensible" stakes. But this is a major crossroads for the Trust and what it wants to be going forward. Does it want to be an independent, pain in the arse voice of the fans or an incestuous, foot in both camps presence in the boardroom? It simply can't be both and that's where we seem to have got to now. Just from a purely personal point of view, the decisions taken by the Trust in the coming days on this issue will govern whether or not I renew my own membership next time it's due. I still fully support the stated aims of the Trust. The test for the Trust now is whether it can take the decisions that ensure that it's fit for puropose in its quest to achieve those aims. | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:15 - Oct 26 with 1105 views | waynekerr55 |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:11 - Oct 26 by exiledclaseboy | I can't agree that this is purely a governance issue and can be put to bed now that the Trust has new governance procedures in place. It's deeper than that for me and goes to the heart of what the Trust should be. As I said yesterday, the only way the Trust can even begin to move on is for HC to relinquish or be removed from his position and someone new takes on the supporter director role in accordance with the Trust's governance rules. If there's a paid supporter liaison role which is a club employee role then the club should employ someone for it, it should not be combined with the supporter director role. Completely agree with those who have said that the actions of the selling shareholders far outweigh those of the Trust in the "reprehensible" stakes. But this is a major crossroads for the Trust and what it wants to be going forward. Does it want to be an independent, pain in the arse voice of the fans or an incestuous, foot in both camps presence in the boardroom? It simply can't be both and that's where we seem to have got to now. Just from a purely personal point of view, the decisions taken by the Trust in the coming days on this issue will govern whether or not I renew my own membership next time it's due. I still fully support the stated aims of the Trust. The test for the Trust now is whether it can take the decisions that ensure that it's fit for puropose in its quest to achieve those aims. |
"will govern whether or not" No pun intended there Clasey 😂 On a serious note you're spot on with this. Surely HC has to resign from the post? | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:29 - Oct 26 with 1044 views | monmouth |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:11 - Oct 26 by exiledclaseboy | I can't agree that this is purely a governance issue and can be put to bed now that the Trust has new governance procedures in place. It's deeper than that for me and goes to the heart of what the Trust should be. As I said yesterday, the only way the Trust can even begin to move on is for HC to relinquish or be removed from his position and someone new takes on the supporter director role in accordance with the Trust's governance rules. If there's a paid supporter liaison role which is a club employee role then the club should employ someone for it, it should not be combined with the supporter director role. Completely agree with those who have said that the actions of the selling shareholders far outweigh those of the Trust in the "reprehensible" stakes. But this is a major crossroads for the Trust and what it wants to be going forward. Does it want to be an independent, pain in the arse voice of the fans or an incestuous, foot in both camps presence in the boardroom? It simply can't be both and that's where we seem to have got to now. Just from a purely personal point of view, the decisions taken by the Trust in the coming days on this issue will govern whether or not I renew my own membership next time it's due. I still fully support the stated aims of the Trust. The test for the Trust now is whether it can take the decisions that ensure that it's fit for puropose in its quest to achieve those aims. |
Almost word for word where I am too, except I would add mandatory rotation on to the trust board to ensure new blood (assuming there are applicants). Voting won't do it as there are too many advantages to incumbants. I really hope there are no more skeletons in the cupboard, or I think it probably is done. | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:30 - Oct 26 with 1029 views | TheResurrection |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:10 - Oct 26 by vetchonian | Do you know different? If so what are your sources and what else is there to come out that you keep hinting at? You currently are like a dog with a bone, it's as if you can't wait for the next revelation for you to say I told you so. As it stands persons on both sides HC and PS and HJ for the sellers have states HC was not involved with discussions or meetings relating to the sale until the Trust were informed so unless you have solid evidence to the contrary why can't you let it alone? I also asked on another thread if by chance you were related to any employee/s at the club is this the case? |
Why should I leave it alone? For you? Do you mind me asking why you feel the need to control my views and thoughts? This has been a major issue for myself for too long. Hero worshipping Huw Jenkins was another. It was clear as day this has been coming for a long time and it was vitally important we were ready for the day, armed and prepared with the right tools for the job. We weren't. Clearly. We have been let down completely. You may not see it like that just yet, you may never. But people are finally waking up to the fact we have lost something we worked so hard for and for so long. You don't have to hang on my every word, you don't need to follow me around like Teabag and Prickrock. If I'm not your cup of tea console yourself with the fact you're not mine either. I have got to know a lot of people over the years, same as any lifelong fan would have. I get told some things and work others out for myself. I feel I have brought just attention to this very topic and have done for a long time. The very debate we are all having is because I pushed and pushed for more transparency and wanted to make sure we.... the Trust... could fight our battles totally independent of any conflicting influences. Can anyone truly know for sure whether this was the case when our SD had so much ties to the Club itself? It's a subject matter we should never have had to worry about.... but it's a HUGE issue now!! | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:32 - Oct 26 with 994 views | Darran |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:30 - Oct 26 by TheResurrection | Why should I leave it alone? For you? Do you mind me asking why you feel the need to control my views and thoughts? This has been a major issue for myself for too long. Hero worshipping Huw Jenkins was another. It was clear as day this has been coming for a long time and it was vitally important we were ready for the day, armed and prepared with the right tools for the job. We weren't. Clearly. We have been let down completely. You may not see it like that just yet, you may never. But people are finally waking up to the fact we have lost something we worked so hard for and for so long. You don't have to hang on my every word, you don't need to follow me around like Teabag and Prickrock. If I'm not your cup of tea console yourself with the fact you're not mine either. I have got to know a lot of people over the years, same as any lifelong fan would have. I get told some things and work others out for myself. I feel I have brought just attention to this very topic and have done for a long time. The very debate we are all having is because I pushed and pushed for more transparency and wanted to make sure we.... the Trust... could fight our battles totally independent of any conflicting influences. Can anyone truly know for sure whether this was the case when our SD had so much ties to the Club itself? It's a subject matter we should never have had to worry about.... but it's a HUGE issue now!! |
What have I done you prick? | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:34 - Oct 26 with 975 views | blueytheblue |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:32 - Oct 26 by Darran | What have I done you prick? |
Suez Canal. We all know it was you. | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:35 - Oct 26 with 960 views | vetchonian |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:30 - Oct 26 by TheResurrection | Why should I leave it alone? For you? Do you mind me asking why you feel the need to control my views and thoughts? This has been a major issue for myself for too long. Hero worshipping Huw Jenkins was another. It was clear as day this has been coming for a long time and it was vitally important we were ready for the day, armed and prepared with the right tools for the job. We weren't. Clearly. We have been let down completely. You may not see it like that just yet, you may never. But people are finally waking up to the fact we have lost something we worked so hard for and for so long. You don't have to hang on my every word, you don't need to follow me around like Teabag and Prickrock. If I'm not your cup of tea console yourself with the fact you're not mine either. I have got to know a lot of people over the years, same as any lifelong fan would have. I get told some things and work others out for myself. I feel I have brought just attention to this very topic and have done for a long time. The very debate we are all having is because I pushed and pushed for more transparency and wanted to make sure we.... the Trust... could fight our battles totally independent of any conflicting influences. Can anyone truly know for sure whether this was the case when our SD had so much ties to the Club itself? It's a subject matter we should never have had to worry about.... but it's a HUGE issue now!! |
Fair points most of which I would agree with BUT You haven't answered my questions! | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:38 - Oct 26 with 944 views | Jack11 | A scandal of epic proportions. Watergate. The untrustworthy trust have had their snout in the trough. Sordid situation. Need an independent review of what's gone on. Trust "representing" the fans with a clear conflict of interest. It is a massive failing that must not be tolerated or ignored. Do not go gently into that good night. | | | |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:38 - Oct 26 with 940 views | perchrockjack | Serious question. For the always right. If Cooze is removed, will it gain us points and/or keep us in PL. The moralists amongst you need to wise up as this really will see us sink into oblivion. Then and only then will this stop. We are on a downbound train proven by fact Chrissy has been allowed back to infect this site. Mods, truly, you re letting this site down. Free us from this filth | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:41 - Oct 26 with 907 views | TheResurrection |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:11 - Oct 26 by exiledclaseboy | I can't agree that this is purely a governance issue and can be put to bed now that the Trust has new governance procedures in place. It's deeper than that for me and goes to the heart of what the Trust should be. As I said yesterday, the only way the Trust can even begin to move on is for HC to relinquish or be removed from his position and someone new takes on the supporter director role in accordance with the Trust's governance rules. If there's a paid supporter liaison role which is a club employee role then the club should employ someone for it, it should not be combined with the supporter director role. Completely agree with those who have said that the actions of the selling shareholders far outweigh those of the Trust in the "reprehensible" stakes. But this is a major crossroads for the Trust and what it wants to be going forward. Does it want to be an independent, pain in the arse voice of the fans or an incestuous, foot in both camps presence in the boardroom? It simply can't be both and that's where we seem to have got to now. Just from a purely personal point of view, the decisions taken by the Trust in the coming days on this issue will govern whether or not I renew my own membership next time it's due. I still fully support the stated aims of the Trust. The test for the Trust now is whether it can take the decisions that ensure that it's fit for puropose in its quest to achieve those aims. |
Cudey, I almost feel like I have to thank you for the way you are thinking on this matter. I know I don't and that you speak your own mind always. Of course you are right. Why Lisa is still clutching at straws and referring to a new governance charter is totally beyond me. The new regs they have published are absolute crap also. They have been created to accommodate Huw Cooze and Jim White, their personal friends, and not for the good of any future Trust members, should there be one. There are literally thousands of good people that could get involved with the Trust for all the right reasons. Tell me why they have had to enter a clause to say that these people are allowed to have personal business interests with the Club just as long as they run it by them first. NO!!!! Just get ANYONE who DOES NOT have ANY business interests with the Club. Why muddy the waters? Why complicate matters? Why put themselves in that position again??? Just so they can appease their murky situation and try to rescue any shred of common decency and respect and not offend the 2 people in question. It really isn't good enough!! We have to scrap everything and start again. It really is the only way. Anyway.... I'm going to say it. Thank you. | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:47 - Oct 26 with 865 views | monmouth | I agree with your clear cut view on no business interests too T2C. Unless of course it can be proved to be in SUPPORTERS interest (not the club). It's a nonsense. | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:47 - Oct 26 with 857 views | perchrockjack | Season of mellow fruitfulness. Let's dig up Yeats ,for a pithy riposte | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:51 - Oct 26 with 830 views | vetchonian |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:41 - Oct 26 by TheResurrection | Cudey, I almost feel like I have to thank you for the way you are thinking on this matter. I know I don't and that you speak your own mind always. Of course you are right. Why Lisa is still clutching at straws and referring to a new governance charter is totally beyond me. The new regs they have published are absolute crap also. They have been created to accommodate Huw Cooze and Jim White, their personal friends, and not for the good of any future Trust members, should there be one. There are literally thousands of good people that could get involved with the Trust for all the right reasons. Tell me why they have had to enter a clause to say that these people are allowed to have personal business interests with the Club just as long as they run it by them first. NO!!!! Just get ANYONE who DOES NOT have ANY business interests with the Club. Why muddy the waters? Why complicate matters? Why put themselves in that position again??? Just so they can appease their murky situation and try to rescue any shred of common decency and respect and not offend the 2 people in question. It really isn't good enough!! We have to scrap everything and start again. It really is the only way. Anyway.... I'm going to say it. Thank you. |
You still haven't answered my questions What will scrapping the Trust achieve? If this happens then the foot we have in the door at the moment will be lost. Yes the new owners have more voting power but the Trust is still a stakeholder in the club....until the new owners manipulate things to change that. Words are great we need to see what actions the Trust now take.......you in my opinion are a little over obsessed with some persons on the .trust board now even making out that the new governance rules are just to "help" existing Trust personnel well think of it another way Swansea is actually a small place and maybe persons who feel that they can work on the Trust board may also have business connections which could connect to the club. | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:53 - Oct 26 with 818 views | TheResurrection |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:38 - Oct 26 by perchrockjack | Serious question. For the always right. If Cooze is removed, will it gain us points and/or keep us in PL. The moralists amongst you need to wise up as this really will see us sink into oblivion. Then and only then will this stop. We are on a downbound train proven by fact Chrissy has been allowed back to infect this site. Mods, truly, you re letting this site down. Free us from this filth |
Filth everywhere. Points in the Premier League are the responsibility of Bob Bradley and the team backed up hopefully by the new owners. Us discussing important matters is not going to affect that. Or are you that incredibly thick you think Cooze standing down will have an effect on staying up? Can see Bob having to break the news to the boys now.... "That's it lads, we're going down for sure now. Cooze has been removed from the Trust" Do me a favour for a wee while? Just fack off? | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:53 - Oct 26 with 820 views | Darran |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:51 - Oct 26 by vetchonian | You still haven't answered my questions What will scrapping the Trust achieve? If this happens then the foot we have in the door at the moment will be lost. Yes the new owners have more voting power but the Trust is still a stakeholder in the club....until the new owners manipulate things to change that. Words are great we need to see what actions the Trust now take.......you in my opinion are a little over obsessed with some persons on the .trust board now even making out that the new governance rules are just to "help" existing Trust personnel well think of it another way Swansea is actually a small place and maybe persons who feel that they can work on the Trust board may also have business connections which could connect to the club. |
Well you can't scrap it and start again can you? [Post edited 26 Oct 2016 21:04]
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:58 - Oct 26 with 789 views | londonlisa2001 |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:41 - Oct 26 by TheResurrection | Cudey, I almost feel like I have to thank you for the way you are thinking on this matter. I know I don't and that you speak your own mind always. Of course you are right. Why Lisa is still clutching at straws and referring to a new governance charter is totally beyond me. The new regs they have published are absolute crap also. They have been created to accommodate Huw Cooze and Jim White, their personal friends, and not for the good of any future Trust members, should there be one. There are literally thousands of good people that could get involved with the Trust for all the right reasons. Tell me why they have had to enter a clause to say that these people are allowed to have personal business interests with the Club just as long as they run it by them first. NO!!!! Just get ANYONE who DOES NOT have ANY business interests with the Club. Why muddy the waters? Why complicate matters? Why put themselves in that position again??? Just so they can appease their murky situation and try to rescue any shred of common decency and respect and not offend the 2 people in question. It really isn't good enough!! We have to scrap everything and start again. It really is the only way. Anyway.... I'm going to say it. Thank you. |
What straws am I clutching at? I have said everything that clasie has said. | | | |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:00 - Oct 26 with 774 views | TheResurrection |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:47 - Oct 26 by monmouth | I agree with your clear cut view on no business interests too T2C. Unless of course it can be proved to be in SUPPORTERS interest (not the club). It's a nonsense. |
Exactly. but how could that be the case in this day and age with the owners we have? The only, farcical reason the new governance rules include these ridiculous clauses is because of the mess they have created and seem hell bent on dragging out. It's no coincidence they are nowhere to be seen now. This is weak leadership in letting the fanbase thrash it out and them trying to gauge the overall reaction before deciding what to do. FFS be decisive. The ones clearly culpable resign immediately and let the Trust breathe again and at least give it an effing chance! | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:01 - Oct 26 with 763 views | vetchonian |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:53 - Oct 26 by Darran | Well you can't scrap it and start again can you? [Post edited 26 Oct 2016 21:04]
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According to he who must be heard it is | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:04 - Oct 26 with 746 views | cockneyswan |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:30 - Oct 26 by TheResurrection | Why should I leave it alone? For you? Do you mind me asking why you feel the need to control my views and thoughts? This has been a major issue for myself for too long. Hero worshipping Huw Jenkins was another. It was clear as day this has been coming for a long time and it was vitally important we were ready for the day, armed and prepared with the right tools for the job. We weren't. Clearly. We have been let down completely. You may not see it like that just yet, you may never. But people are finally waking up to the fact we have lost something we worked so hard for and for so long. You don't have to hang on my every word, you don't need to follow me around like Teabag and Prickrock. If I'm not your cup of tea console yourself with the fact you're not mine either. I have got to know a lot of people over the years, same as any lifelong fan would have. I get told some things and work others out for myself. I feel I have brought just attention to this very topic and have done for a long time. The very debate we are all having is because I pushed and pushed for more transparency and wanted to make sure we.... the Trust... could fight our battles totally independent of any conflicting influences. Can anyone truly know for sure whether this was the case when our SD had so much ties to the Club itself? It's a subject matter we should never have had to worry about.... but it's a HUGE issue now!! |
Good post, unfortunately your misgivings have proved to be correct, I have to say I was one of the duped sheep as many of us were, I could never believe that so many people associated with SCFC have proven to be totally untrustworthy. I have lost a bit more faith in human nature since this rotten business started 😡 | | | |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:04 - Oct 26 with 734 views | vetchonian |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:01 - Oct 26 by vetchonian | According to he who must be heard it is |
Who still hasn't answered my questions | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:05 - Oct 26 with 728 views | Darran |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:01 - Oct 26 by vetchonian | According to he who must be heard it is |
Well something needs to happen but scrap it and start again like? | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:05 - Oct 26 with 725 views | TheResurrection |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:51 - Oct 26 by vetchonian | You still haven't answered my questions What will scrapping the Trust achieve? If this happens then the foot we have in the door at the moment will be lost. Yes the new owners have more voting power but the Trust is still a stakeholder in the club....until the new owners manipulate things to change that. Words are great we need to see what actions the Trust now take.......you in my opinion are a little over obsessed with some persons on the .trust board now even making out that the new governance rules are just to "help" existing Trust personnel well think of it another way Swansea is actually a small place and maybe persons who feel that they can work on the Trust board may also have business connections which could connect to the club. |
Would it help a slow thinking man like yourself that Monmouth, esteemed poster on here it seems, feels the same? His words, it's a nonsense. My words, its a facking farce! Is there any real difference - they are PATHETIC. Why can't you see that? And no, no need to scrap the Trust. Just start again. New people, new ideas, new format, fresh eyes, determination and effective, We need this or we have had it! | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:08 - Oct 26 with 702 views | Darran |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:05 - Oct 26 by TheResurrection | Would it help a slow thinking man like yourself that Monmouth, esteemed poster on here it seems, feels the same? His words, it's a nonsense. My words, its a facking farce! Is there any real difference - they are PATHETIC. Why can't you see that? And no, no need to scrap the Trust. Just start again. New people, new ideas, new format, fresh eyes, determination and effective, We need this or we have had it! |
All new people? That'll never work. | |
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Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 21:08 - Oct 26 with 695 views | TheResurrection |
Lisa Who Tipped You Off ? on 20:58 - Oct 26 by londonlisa2001 | What straws am I clutching at? I have said everything that clasie has said. |
You have just made excuses as far as I have read and condone the pathetic new conflict of interest rules. You would leave the personnel the same and move on learning lessons. Or am i wrong? | |
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