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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... 21:51 - Nov 18 with 1507 viewsKilkennyjack

....to have say about Brexit and how the exit can be triggered. Might have some sense at last. Still no plan from Mrs May of course. 😎

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:04 - Nov 18 with 1154 viewsJoe_bradshaw

It will be interesting to see how the respective governments approach this bearing in mind that the Scots voted remain and the Welsh voted leave.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:06 - Nov 18 with 1151 viewssherpajacob

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:04 - Nov 18 by Joe_bradshaw

It will be interesting to see how the respective governments approach this bearing in mind that the Scots voted remain and the Welsh voted leave.


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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:13 - Nov 18 with 1144 viewsBigPhilG

Wales voted out and Jimmy Krankie is embarrasing. It was a UK vote and the UK voted out and that's the bottom line. I fear serious civil unrest if Brexit isn't delivered and soon
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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:17 - Nov 18 with 1136 viewsDyfnant

I doubt there's ever been a bigger bunch of fooking moaners than these remain people since this vote.
Let's us Welsh have a vote to abolish this assembly nonsense next please

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:21 - Nov 18 with 1132 viewssherpajacob

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:13 - Nov 18 by BigPhilG

Wales voted out and Jimmy Krankie is embarrasing. It was a UK vote and the UK voted out and that's the bottom line. I fear serious civil unrest if Brexit isn't delivered and soon


Democracy has many different formats

Trump 61 million votes
Clinton 62.1 million votes.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:33 - Nov 18 with 1122 viewsBigPhilG

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:21 - Nov 18 by sherpajacob

Democracy has many different formats

Trump 61 million votes
Clinton 62.1 million votes.


Only in America
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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:34 - Nov 18 with 1116 viewssherpajacob

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:33 - Nov 18 by BigPhilG

Only in America


Quite correct, Britain has a parliamentary democracy.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:38 - Nov 18 with 1103 viewsKilkennyjack

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:13 - Nov 18 by BigPhilG

Wales voted out and Jimmy Krankie is embarrasing. It was a UK vote and the UK voted out and that's the bottom line. I fear serious civil unrest if Brexit isn't delivered and soon


This court case is about how it can be triggered.
You might expect the government to fully understand how these things work.
They are actually split, even within the Tory cabinet. Shambles.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:40 - Nov 18 with 1099 viewsJoe_bradshaw

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:33 - Nov 18 by BigPhilG

Only in America


Except for the two occasions when it's happened in the UK.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 00:56 - Nov 19 with 1043 viewsnice_to_michu

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:13 - Nov 18 by BigPhilG

Wales voted out and Jimmy Krankie is embarrasing. It was a UK vote and the UK voted out and that's the bottom line. I fear serious civil unrest if Brexit isn't delivered and soon


I agree with you.
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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 01:01 - Nov 19 with 1041 viewsHighjack

I don't understand why the government just doesn't give parliament a vote. It would get through easily.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 08:38 - Nov 19 with 1006 viewsKilkennyjack

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 01:01 - Nov 19 by Highjack

I don't understand why the government just doesn't give parliament a vote. It would get through easily.


They would have to answer some questions and they do not have the answers. Plus the Lords might upset the timeline by asking even more questions. This is usually all a good thing as it helps ensure stuff is fully thought through. Mindlessly saying ' Brexit is Brexit' is a bit dull like. What does it actually mean ?

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 09:31 - Nov 19 with 988 viewsjohnlangy

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:34 - Nov 18 by sherpajacob

Quite correct, Britain has a parliamentary democracy.


It's possible for the Conservatives or Labour to gain power by winning, say, 315 seats with a majority in each of 1 while the other may have won 280 with a majority in each of 10,000. The loser would have far more votes but not win.

Made up numbers and all theoretical of course but possible.
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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 09:46 - Nov 19 with 977 viewsJoe_bradshaw

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 09:31 - Nov 19 by johnlangy

It's possible for the Conservatives or Labour to gain power by winning, say, 315 seats with a majority in each of 1 while the other may have won 280 with a majority in each of 10,000. The loser would have far more votes but not win.

Made up numbers and all theoretical of course but possible.


It's possible for a party to win the popular vote and not have a single MP by narrowly coming second in every constituency in the country. Twice in history the party winning the popular vote has lost the election, in 1951 and 1974.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 10:30 - Nov 19 with 965 viewssherpajacob

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 09:46 - Nov 19 by Joe_bradshaw

It's possible for a party to win the popular vote and not have a single MP by narrowly coming second in every constituency in the country. Twice in history the party winning the popular vote has lost the election, in 1951 and 1974.


As Kennedy said "democracy is not perfect" but a system of representative democracy is largely successful in avoiding populism, demogogy and dictators.

Direct democracy as espoused by Farages right wing coalition in Europe, leads to mob rule.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 12:13 - Nov 19 with 940 viewsHighjack

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 10:30 - Nov 19 by sherpajacob

As Kennedy said "democracy is not perfect" but a system of representative democracy is largely successful in avoiding populism, demogogy and dictators.

Direct democracy as espoused by Farages right wing coalition in Europe, leads to mob rule.


It's not mob rule, referenda offers a solution to those big constitutional issues that cannot be resolved by representative democracy with General Elections. The referendums we have had:

1) AV referendum. It's not right for Parliament to choose what system they are to be voted in on as an alternative system may benefit or hinder certain parties. Solution: Thwow it to the people.

2) Scotland independence. The SNP as a national seperatist party has gained massive support and won power up in Scotland but it is impossible for them to form a Government in Westminster and legislate for independence themselves and none of the other parties would even entertain the idea. Solution: Thwow it to the people.

3) Brexit. There has been a massive swell of Euroscepticism in the last few years culminating in UKIP winning the European election and gaining over 4 million votes in a general election. But like the SNP in (2) they will never be able to have enough influence within Westminster. All the other parties are officially pro-EU so this question can never be answered with representitive democracy. Solution: Thwow it to the people.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 12:30 - Nov 19 with 927 viewsLoyal

There seems to be some shock in England that 'the Welsh' would be involved.
Fcking horrible little country they are was one statement.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 12:57 - Nov 19 with 919 viewsKilkennyjack

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 12:30 - Nov 19 by Loyal

There seems to be some shock in England that 'the Welsh' would be involved.
Fcking horrible little country they are was one statement.


The 'Welsh Taliban' was one label used over recent years. Speaks volumes.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 13:56 - Nov 19 with 880 viewsLohengrin

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 10:30 - Nov 19 by sherpajacob

As Kennedy said "democracy is not perfect" but a system of representative democracy is largely successful in avoiding populism, demogogy and dictators.

Direct democracy as espoused by Farages right wing coalition in Europe, leads to mob rule.


If 2016 has taught us anything, Sherpa, it's that whatever the political class and their friends in the media and big business say, do or want is now at odds with what the general populace want. The west is waking up. The days of being led by the nose are coming to an end with the realisation that there's usually an abattoir at the end of that road.

I don't want to lump you into this bracket, but think about it...those who oppose direct forms of democracy generally do so as they realise that it leads to the break-up of the cosy, closed shop whereby the financial vested interests are able to impose their will on the rest of us.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 14:24 - Nov 19 with 863 viewsexiledclaseboy

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:21 - Nov 18 by sherpajacob

Democracy has many different formats

Trump 61 million votes
Clinton 62.1 million votes.


This country "elects" governments with thumping parliamentary majorities which attract much lower vote percentages than either Trump or Clinton got. The UK is in no position to lecture anyone on the mechanics of democracy.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 14:27 - Nov 19 with 860 viewsexiledclaseboy

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 13:56 - Nov 19 by Lohengrin

If 2016 has taught us anything, Sherpa, it's that whatever the political class and their friends in the media and big business say, do or want is now at odds with what the general populace want. The west is waking up. The days of being led by the nose are coming to an end with the realisation that there's usually an abattoir at the end of that road.

I don't want to lump you into this bracket, but think about it...those who oppose direct forms of democracy generally do so as they realise that it leads to the break-up of the cosy, closed shop whereby the financial vested interests are able to impose their will on the rest of us.


I oppose direct democracy because it offers the populace an opportunity to get what it wants, regardless of how workable or damaging it is.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 15:50 - Nov 19 with 827 viewsLohengrin

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 14:27 - Nov 19 by exiledclaseboy

I oppose direct democracy because it offers the populace an opportunity to get what it wants, regardless of how workable or damaging it is.


I disagree.

No problem is insurmountable if the political will is constant and resolute. "Can't" is the worst word in the English language, not so much a contraction as a curse. The spirit of submission it encapsulates, the apathy it engenders will in the final reckoning become the epitaph of the West unless we get off our knees.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 15:54 - Nov 19 with 825 viewsexiledclaseboy

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 15:50 - Nov 19 by Lohengrin

I disagree.

No problem is insurmountable if the political will is constant and resolute. "Can't" is the worst word in the English language, not so much a contraction as a curse. The spirit of submission it encapsulates, the apathy it engenders will in the final reckoning become the epitaph of the West unless we get off our knees.


You just as well have kept it to the first two words. The rest unrelated gibberish

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 15:58 - Nov 19 with 819 viewsLohengrin

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 15:54 - Nov 19 by exiledclaseboy

You just as well have kept it to the first two words. The rest unrelated gibberish


You've spent so much time in the company of liberal invertebrates virility has become incomprehensible to you.

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Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 17:04 - Nov 19 with 794 viewsFlashberryjack

Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 22:04 - Nov 18 by Joe_bradshaw

It will be interesting to see how the respective governments approach this bearing in mind that the Scots voted remain and the Welsh voted leave.


The majority of MP's couldn't give a flying f*ck how people voted........MP's will vote for whatever is in their best interests.

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