| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? 13:56 - Apr 10 with 5552 views | TheResurrection |
Hear me out as I can hear the collective groans from the Planet Swans Match of the Day type pundits now....
People are beginning to stress we need more attacking intent but people automatically assume that can only come from Siggy going in to number 10 - a position that when he's played there this season we've been abysmal as a team....(yeah, yeah I know it's not Siggy's fault it's everyone else under the sun)
So what else can a team struggling for their lives try? As much as I feel we can't completely take the shackles off, we need to find a solution similar to the formation change that Clement brought in soon after he started.
Then, he found a way of getting Siggy and Fer on the pitch together without compromising our defensive duties too much.
It worked well for us and gave us a real stab at survival but it's starting to look stale now.
With Cork out I'd like to see someone who will give the fans a real boost come back, someone who's been there through it all and we know will be up for the fight. Leon Britton. We'll lose Cork's presence and height in the midfield but we'll gain Leon's tenacity and quick feet. I think he'll work well with Carroll and will hold our defensive shape well.
Onto Siggy... Arguably the main reason the 451 is looking stale is because Siggy is too predictable out on the left hand side of midfield. He can't go past a man as has no pace so his attributes to the game plan is to pick up loose balls, drift inside and get a sight on goal, both to create or score. He's also importantly defensively as he's a hard worker and covers well, when he hasn't gone wandering too much.
I don't think we can drop Fer, without Cork we'd have no beef in the middle and he is one of a very small few that can pass a man and take us further up the pitch. Maybe Fer could look to join attacks more and get himself in the mix a bit more often, but we need him in my opinion.
We'd lose Siggy's free kicks which would be the real risk in all this but Carroll or Fer, I'm sure could offer something in this department?
So who out wide in midfield?
Routledge and Siggy have been the main choices out there under Clement but looking at the stats for West Ham, a game where we had more percentage of the ball for once and when West Ham sat back for the most of the second half, both Siggy and Routs attempted just the one take on each and both failed with that.
Compare that to Ayew's 7 successful take on's from 10 tried and it's clear to see we need more from out wide, a lot more.
Because of this I'd pick Ayew instead of Siggy and hope he can offer something a bit different. Not just cutting inside but going on the outside as well, taking on opponents, getting crosses in and hopefully giving us a new dimension from that position.
The downside of this is Ayew tracking back which I'd be worried about. Is this a risk worth taking to try and be a little more expansive against a Watford team pretty much on the beach?
The other one is more tricky. It balls down to a choice of Routs, Montero or Narsingh. If we went with Ayew on the left maybe we could compensate with Routs on the right as we know he'll work hard and track back. Narsingh would be the other real contender for me to start there and would be ready to come on to change it up.
I know Llorente is back but we're looking very boring and predictable even when he's played, Hull first half, Bournemouth away and second half Saturday.
There's an argument to say the bigger risk is to not change something as it's not working.
------------------- Fab -------------
Naughts - Fed - Maws - Olsson
Routs - Fer - Leon - Carroll - Ayew
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:18 - Apr 10 with 2998 views | jojaca |
Siggy has not been that impressive offensively from open play this season, he is very slow and needs time on the ball which his team mates don't help with. He does give you plenty of work rate, but does look like a headless chicken at times chasing shadows. But after saying all that he is the first name on the team sheet because he is the best dead ball specialist in the league and especially if Llorente is playing.
The injury to Jack Cork could be a blessing because it will alter the dynamics of our midfield and hopefully we will have better flow to our game offensively. But if someone offers 25 million in the summer, I would sell. |  |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:27 - Apr 10 with 2973 views | jack247 |
No |  | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:28 - Apr 10 with 2968 views | builthjack |
Drop Naughton, put Routledge at right back. Put Siggy at No 10, and bring in Montero on the left.
Fab
Routledge
Ollson
Masson
Fernandez
Fer /Leon
Siggy
Carroll
Narsingh/Ayew
Llorente
Montero
Make or break but at least we would have a go. [Post edited 10 Apr 2017 14:29]
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:35 - Apr 10 with 2947 views | AngelRangelQS |
The formation I'd like to see us try is 5-3-2
Fabianski
Fernandez
Amat
Mawson
Olsson
Naughton/Routledge
Fer
Carroll
Siggy
Llorente
Ayew
I know it won't happen though... |  | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:40 - Apr 10 with 2920 views | midswan |
Interesting using Routs at right back.Similar to Milner at Pool and Moses at Chelski ? They have both made the position there own and had great seasons. Will PC be brave enough ? | | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:42 - Apr 10 with 2902 views | jack247 |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:35 - Apr 10 by AngelRangelQS |
The formation I'd like to see us try is 5-3-2
Fabianski
Fernandez
Amat
Mawson
Olsson
Naughton/Routledge
Fer
Carroll
Siggy
Llorente
Ayew
I know it won't happen though... |
He will just replace Cork. Hopefully with Britton or Fulton, but neither have had a look in, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Ki.
We are going to be fairly cagey and unless we can get the link up between Siggy, Olsson and Carroll going again, the best chance I can see is a set piece. Sadly. | | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:47 - Apr 10 with 2885 views | builthjack |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:40 - Apr 10 by midswan |
Interesting using Routs at right back.Similar to Milner at Pool and Moses at Chelski ? They have both made the position there own and had great seasons. Will PC be brave enough ? |
Doubt he will | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:55 - Apr 10 with 2851 views | ploppy |
TBH, when Cork went off, I was hoping he'd bring Leon on. Silly me, he wasn't on the bench. | | | |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:55 - Apr 10 with 2851 views | swancity |
He's not undroppable but IMO he's got the ability to cause problems in that role behind Llorente. We have always looked our best with the 4-2-3-1 set up with two holding players and wide players getting forward and quickly. It's that middle two that concern me the most though i.e. Who to play in front of the back four. Cork has been ok but apart from one of two good games doesn't seem to be the answer and I'm not sure what Carrolls best position is TBH.
But as for Siggurdson. He needs to be more central in my view. And then with Fer. Again how to best accommodate him? Our problem now is that we need to change things around but it's not the time for experimenting. It will take a brave man to make wholesale changes now. | |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:56 - Apr 10 with 2839 views | LeonWasGod |
Be madness imo. Without Siggy and Llorente we'd be relegated already. He's struggling as much as anyone, but when something good does happen chances are he's involved. |  | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:15 - Apr 10 with 2774 views | TheKirkyLife |
Doesn't take a genius to remove one of Fer/Carroll/Cork and put Gylfi in his much preferred No. 10 role.
Cork's injury may well be the best thing to happen to us as it will force Clement to abandon this ridiculous negativity he's employed for the last five games. |  | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:16 - Apr 10 with 2774 views | NeathJack |
No.
While he has not been at his best from open play this season, something I'll happily concede, the hope that he can return to a rich vein of form over the remaining games is probably one of our only hopes of surviving.
To do that he needs to go back to where his best from over his career has been and that is centrally behind the striker with attacking wingers either side.
Fab
Naughton Free Mawson Olsson
Leon Carroll
Narsingh Gylfi Ayew
Llorente
Would prefer a better option than Ayew tbh as he has no idea when to release the ball but Montero is so unreliable (although the time is rapidly approaching where we may have to roll the dice and hope the sun on his back means he can be bothered), and Routledge just doesn't present enough of an attacking threat.
Although if they show the lack of desire evident at West Ham, any discussions on team selections are going to be moot. |  | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:17 - Apr 10 with 2767 views | perchrockjack |
Don't see dropping our corner kick,dead ball expert and one of the few players able to shoot straight, is going to help us.
He s been played out of position for too long and it stinks.
He needs to be central and an integral part not out wide
Routledge at right back you say? Dear God. This shows where we really are.
How about playing Baston with Ayew and with Narsinghn and Montero and attack from the off.
One thing for sure,the opposition wont be expecting that of us. | |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:26 - Apr 10 with 2738 views | Jack_Kass |
Flat 4-4-2 for me
Fab
Naughton-Fernandez-Mawson-Olson
Narsingh-Fer-Carroll-Ayew
Llorente-Siggy | |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:26 - Apr 10 with 2738 views | jack247 |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:15 - Apr 10 by TheKirkyLife |
Doesn't take a genius to remove one of Fer/Carroll/Cork and put Gylfi in his much preferred No. 10 role.
Cork's injury may well be the best thing to happen to us as it will force Clement to abandon this ridiculous negativity he's employed for the last five games. |
He has played more or less the same way since his second or third game, not just the games we have lost recently. | | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:29 - Apr 10 with 2725 views | jack247 |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:17 - Apr 10 by perchrockjack |
Don't see dropping our corner kick,dead ball expert and one of the few players able to shoot straight, is going to help us.
He s been played out of position for too long and it stinks.
He needs to be central and an integral part not out wide
Routledge at right back you say? Dear God. This shows where we really are.
How about playing Baston with Ayew and with Narsinghn and Montero and attack from the off.
One thing for sure,the opposition wont be expecting that of us. |
They won't expect that. They would be surprised and delighted with it though.
Agree, Routledge shouldn't be anywhere near right back. Like it or lump it, Naughton should be one of the first names on the sheet while we don't have any credible alternatives | | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:41 - Apr 10 with 2694 views | perchrockjack |
HMM
I was thinking with us having a tall chap we could actually have our wide men practise crossing the ball for him.
At the moment we look lost between two stools.
I d say its shite or bust time.
iF WE RE TO GO DOWN, LETS GO DOWN WITH SOME FIRE IN THE GUTS | |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:44 - Apr 10 with 2687 views | SPboy |
Dropping the main creator of goals, set piece specialist, our only goal-scoring midfielder and second highest goal scorer would be the final nail in the relegation coffin. Siggy has to play. If Siggy plays, forget playing wingers as that means our back four (the worse defence in the league) will be too exposed. If we don't score first then we will not win another game this season.
Siggy should be made to play a more structured game in the point position of the dreaded diamond. Let Ayew have the freedom to roam, Llorente up top, with Leon, Fer & Carroll. Play narrow & get the full backs to play for the overlap. Whilst unattractive the diamond served us quite well for Monk & Guidolin on occasion. Going for broke will get us nowhere in the games we have left. Play your best players.
Sadly, I think the clause that Ki has in his contract means that Leon may not get a look in |  | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:47 - Apr 10 with 2669 views | Cooperman |
I'm warming to the thoughts of benching Siggy for the Watford game. It's clear that we need a Plan B and this is something that we haven't tried. I for one wouldn't complain that PC was clueless if this happened for the weekend although I might modify the wingers slightly to the starting XI proposed by The Res. For the record I wouldn't touch the 442's that have been suggested. |  |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:49 - Apr 10 with 2662 views | jack247 |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:41 - Apr 10 by perchrockjack |
HMM
I was thinking with us having a tall chap we could actually have our wide men practise crossing the ball for him.
At the moment we look lost between two stools.
I d say its shite or bust time.
iF WE RE TO GO DOWN, LETS GO DOWN WITH SOME FIRE IN THE GUTS |
You would be starting 3 players with next to no positional awareness and a striker who none of the three managers have rated at all. I'm not sure which formation you would be playing or who you would leave out.
Let's just try not to go down. | | | |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 16:19 - Apr 10 with 2605 views | TheResurrection |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 14:56 - Apr 10 by LeonWasGod |
Be madness imo. Without Siggy and Llorente we'd be relegated already. He's struggling as much as anyone, but when something good does happen chances are he's involved. |
I think the total opposite.
Without Siggy and Llorente and instead Joe Allen and Bony and the winger we were supposed to get... Chadli, Valencia or a genuine replacement of another name in that position we'd be nowhere near relegation.
We're so slow and predictable with those two it's unreal. | |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 16:21 - Apr 10 with 2598 views | Glyn1 |
I think it's correct that he's played in every match so far (including in the cups?) and I don't remember him ever being substituted. That's a lot of game time and he's looked jaded for the last 2 matches, so give him a break for Watford and bring him back in a fortnight. It's only Watford and we're better than them. |  |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 16:22 - Apr 10 with 2595 views | TheResurrection |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 15:15 - Apr 10 by TheKirkyLife |
Doesn't take a genius to remove one of Fer/Carroll/Cork and put Gylfi in his much preferred No. 10 role.
Cork's injury may well be the best thing to happen to us as it will force Clement to abandon this ridiculous negativity he's employed for the last five games. |
This "ridiculous negativity" is the only thing that's got us points ALL SEASON!!
THINK!! | |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 16:31 - Apr 10 with 2566 views | vetchonian |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 16:19 - Apr 10 by TheResurrection |
I think the total opposite.
Without Siggy and Llorente and instead Joe Allen and Bony and the winger we were supposed to get... Chadli, Valencia or a genuine replacement of another name in that position we'd be nowhere near relegation.
We're so slow and predictable with those two it's unreal. |
Are you serious? Bony who is at Stoke with Allen ? How many goals has he got this season? Talk about rose coloured spectacles.
Yes maybe the Bony of 2-3 seasons ago .....its all very well talking about what could have been but you have to p!$$ with the c**k you have ....Siggy and Llorente have been that for us and without them to date we would have even less goals and points than we have now | |
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| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 16:56 - Apr 10 with 2511 views | jack247 |
| Shall we be brave and drop Siggy? on 16:19 - Apr 10 by TheResurrection |
I think the total opposite.
Without Siggy and Llorente and instead Joe Allen and Bony and the winger we were supposed to get... Chadli, Valencia or a genuine replacement of another name in that position we'd be nowhere near relegation.
We're so slow and predictable with those two it's unreal. |
Totally different argument. They are both indispensable in terms of our current squad | | | |
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