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I am putting all my faith... on 00:01 - Apr 23 with 1596 views

Cooperman

I'm sorry to say that you should be prepared to be disappointed.

The extremity of the bell curves are seen as cool and hip these days. It won't change any time soon.

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I am putting all my faith... on 00:30 - Apr 23 with 1559 views

disagree

We re class obsessed and we ve been pigeon holed for too long

I find many Brits ,at heart, quite xenophobic ...Jesus ,look at this site.

We ve voted for Brexit clearly on immigration ( keep foreigners out)

We re traditional ,and conservative

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I am putting all my faith... on 00:55 - Apr 23 with 1552 views

rock1n

I am putting all my faith... on 00:30 - Apr 23 by perchrockjack
disagree We re class obsessed and we ve been pigeon holed for too long I find many Brits ,at heart, quite xenophobic ...Jesus ,look at this site. We ve voted for Brexit clearly on immigration ( keep foreigners out) We re traditional ,and conservative

I've long said this essentially the UK is conservative with a small 'c'

People far more right wing than I have been voting labour without a second thought for years. This 'progressive'' majority bollox has been doing the rounds for years it just isn't true.

Brexit has brought ideologies to the surface it has made people feel genuinely comfortable to declare their true hidden views. This Country is not what many thought it was, I think we've been kidding ourselves.

We are a Nation not comfortable in our own skin and want to relive the past, we crave the old comforts.

Just wanting ever more money for the NHS doesn't make this Country left wing, finally people are waking up to this fact

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter

I am putting all my faith... on 00:59 - Apr 23 with 1532 views

We re mixed

We want excellent public services ,transport etc but not keen on paying the level of taxes found in Scandinavia .

Jeez, we d complain of having to pay 10 quid a pint all right

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I am putting all my faith... on 01:02 - Apr 23 with 1540 views

I am putting all my faith... on 00:55 - Apr 23 by rock1n

Look at you and I now. We're both in despair. We've spent years debating minutiae, tinkering around the edges. We're both liberals. Essentially centrists. Live and let live. We'll disagree on policies and some principles for sure. You're centre right and I'm centre left. I can live with that.

But the extremes are taking over. Intolerance and hatred has become the mainstream. I know you hate this as much as I do.

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I am putting all my faith... on 01:05 - Apr 23 with 1523 views

But there have surely always been extremes

I m left ,centre and right depending on subject matter.

A mess

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I am putting all my faith... on 01:08 - Apr 23 with 1526 views

I am putting all my faith... on 01:05 - Apr 23 by perchrockjack
But there have surely always been extremes I m left ,centre and right depending on subject matter. A mess

Yes there have always been extremes. But now they're the mainstream.

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I am putting all my faith... on 01:09 - Apr 23 with 1523 views

rock1n

I am putting all my faith... on 01:02 - Apr 23 by exiledclaseboy

Yep we are the majority but we have nowhere to go. Strange state of affairs.

My hope is for a realignment - I actually think a Tory landslide is healthy now, I think it may finally cause the much needed changes.

Centrism is harder to argue because it's dull, it's more nuanced it doesn't have the certainties of extremes it will take time to get back in vogue.

Maybe it needs to get worse before it gets better.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter

I am putting all my faith... on 01:11 - Apr 23 with 1505 views

Debatable but it's late , and I can't sleep

Good night

And thanks for the exchange

No offence meant earlier and please remember that.

We ve been at this before I had to wear glasses ,my hearing was shot and I was a size 11 shoes

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I am putting all my faith... on 02:47 - Apr 23 with 1479 views

Groo

We need a return of the Whig's

Groo does what Groo does best

I am putting all my faith... on 03:20 - Apr 23 with 1472 views

Lohengrin

My pal and I were sat chuckling earlier as some of the youngsters turned an instinctive 'eyes right' at the Sovereign's portrait as they made their way back from the bar to their seats These were obviously junior soldiers or kids on their first home leave from basic training to drill as instinctively as that. Made us proud and a bit jealous, really.

When I came on here afterward browsing about amidst the accumulation of recent leftist posts it occurred to me that these kids and the the ones I hadn't long left had just as well be on different planets. Considering how small a geographic space we inhabit the 'them' and 'us' dichotomy is astonishing.

Andrew. Britain has not ' always, always, always been an essentially liberal country at all, despite the best efforts of the comprehensive system's inculcation. I'm still here, so are the lads I've just shaken hands with and said goodnight to, so are all the youngsters who have gone to town.

Stubbornly traditional, patriotic, workingmen. The Islington set's bogey men.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

I am putting all my faith... on 06:07 - Apr 23 with 1426 views

Humpty

I am putting all my faith... on 03:20 - Apr 23 by Lohengrin

I may be wrong but I don't think you understand what ECB means. I may be completely wrong and apologies to the both of you if I am.

What I think he meant is that we are a liberal democracy. A liberal democracy doesn't mean a dreadlocked kid chucking bottles at policemen.

It means a liberal democracy.

This explains it better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

Generally centrist, not going to the extremes of right or left.

Unfortunately things seem to be going the other way these days. The extremists seem to have taken over. The Labour party is committing electoral suicide and your type is on the rise.

For anyone who believes in liberal democracy, it's a worrying time. Britain has decided it doesn't like foreign people living here. America has voted for a reality TV idiot who has courted the KKK and various other white nationalist groups. The fascist, collaborationist NF is on the rise in France and the Labour party has gone all mental communist bollocks.

Obviously this pleases people like you. You like extremism.

Others of us are worried by it.

Once again, sorry if I'm wrong Clase.

I am putting all my faith... on 07:26 - Apr 23 with 1378 views

Pacemaker

I am putting all my faith... on 06:07 - Apr 23 by Humpty

I don't know if ECB was thinking along those lines but you are right, the difficulty at the moment is that there is no opposition as Labour have returned to the 70's without recognising the lessons of the 70's and most people who lived through that period have moved into the centre right having prospered under Tory governments.

I can see Labour losing yet another election and losing the Valley heartlands for the first time. Ironically I think Plaid who are more socialist than Labour on most things will benefit in Wales, UKIP are spent and the Liberals are returning to their rightful place as the nice people in third place.

Life is an adventure or nothing at all.

I am putting all my faith... on 08:01 - Apr 23 with 1350 views

I am putting all my faith... on 06:07 - Apr 23 by Humpty

Nope, you're pretty much bang on the money there, Humpt. Quite beautifully put in fact.

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I am putting all my faith... on 08:05 - Apr 23 with 1335 views

monmouth

I am putting all my faith... on 08:01 - Apr 23 by exiledclaseboy
Nope, you're pretty much bang on the money there, Humpt. Quite beautifully put in fact.

For anyone that believes in humanity it's a worrying time, and it simply is going to get much worse before the wheel turns. Many many years.

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I am putting all my faith... on 08:19 - Apr 23 with 1322 views

dailew

Have to agree.

There's a rapidly growing extreme ideology taking over Britain and Europe.

The number of adherents nearly doubling in 10 years according the Gruaniad. Soon to be a majority.

It's intolerant, violent, misogynist, homophobic and anti-democratic.

Glad the OP has been red-pilled and finally seen the light.

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I am putting all my faith... on 08:26 - Apr 23 with 1313 views

I am putting all my faith... on 08:19 - Apr 23 by dailew
Have to agree. There's a rapidly growing extreme ideology taking over Britain and Europe. The number of adherents nearly doubling in 10 years according the Gruaniad. Soon to be a majority. It's intolerant, violent, misogynist, homophobic and anti-democratic. Glad the OP has been red-pilled and finally seen the light. [Post edited 23 Apr 2017 10:53]

Ooh clever. Actually it's not, it's typically trite from you. Y'know what though, Dai, the yearning I mentioned in the OP also fully applies to the group you're obsessed with hating. Of course it does. I just don't subscribe to your view that all of Britain's problems can be laid at that group's feet.

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Would you like Rodgers back as the new manager ?

I am putting all my faith... on 08:34 - Apr 23 with 1301 views

dailew

I am putting all my faith... on 08:26 - Apr 23 by exiledclaseboy
Ooh clever. Actually it's not, it's typically trite from you. Y'know what though, Dai, the yearning I mentioned in the OP also fully applies to the group you're obsessed with hating. Of course it does. I just don't subscribe to your view that all of Britain's problems can be laid at that group's feet.

"that all of Britain's problems can be laid at that group's feet."

I don't believe that and have never posted such. Probably made as many posts attacking the Tories and the rich.

Stop posting extreme views.

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I am putting all my faith... on 08:52 - Apr 23 with 1282 views

Kilkennyjack

In Wales we have a quite basic choice.

Wales-shire principality, perpetual Tory rule from london, illegal wars, bankers bonus's, nuclear missiles, bbc royal correspondants, and anti-immigrant.

Or

A free wales taking its place in Europe, governments we vote for, no wars, no bankers, no nuclear weapons, derek the weatherman, and inclusive civic nationalism. Just like Scotland and Ireland.

We have been very conditioned of course, but its the second option that is the normal state across the globe.

Beware of the Risen People

I am putting all my faith... on 08:58 - Apr 23 with 1268 views

WarwickHunt

I am putting all my faith... on 02:47 - Apr 23 by Groo
We need a return of the Whig's

The Whig's what?

I am putting all my faith... on 09:01 - Apr 23 with 1254 views

Lord_Bony

I am putting all my faith... on 08:58 - Apr 23 by WarwickHunt
The Whig's what?

	PROUD RECIPIENT OF THE THIRD PLANET SWANS LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD. "Per ardua ad astra"
Poll:	iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH

I am putting all my faith... on 10:02 - Apr 23 with 1167 views

The curse of the apostrophe has hit Canada

Hope the appalling slagging off of groo hasn't offended him too much

A fella moves away from hom to another land and makes good

Warwick hunt

Or what the Welsh did in Argentina

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I am putting all my faith... on 10:26 - Apr 23 with 1155 views

rock1n

Always noticeable the way that when you argue for liberalism it's that more metropolitan element that is used as a weapon by those advocating more hardline certainties.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter

I am putting all my faith... on 11:42 - Apr 23 with 1098 views

Lohengrin

I am putting all my faith... on 08:01 - Apr 23 by exiledclaseboy
Nope, you're pretty much bang on the money there, Humpt. Quite beautifully put in fact.

I wasn't commenting on any political system last night, Clase. I got home with IPA coming out of my ears and I really was comparing the young squaddies in tweed jackets to the scruffy, lefty buggers who throw things at police as Humpty mentioned.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

I am putting all my faith... on 12:02 - Apr 23 with 1081 views

loh.

Beteeen the two of us,I quite enjoyed some protests.

Downside was ,often, as I briefed my troops , an ACPO officer was on my shoulder and in my ear

It was all about not dropping into the shite and not doing anything the Press could use against the Police.

I'm not sure how Plod manage now in the full glare of mobile phones etc.

Went to a reunion of old colleagues from the 80s when posted at Admiral Street,L8. We all agreed we d be pretty much doing a jail term if we did what we did in those days , not violence wise not legally but the fact we arrested so many so often .Many of these are now dead, shot ,stabbed or maimed . I was lucky to have only be hospitalised twice

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