| What policies would you vote for? 08:18 - Apr 27 with 9329 views | jojaca |
Just to throw a few in the air.
1) Ban zero hours/flexi contracts.
2) Minimum 20k per annum for full time work.
3) Ban buy to let(house is for living in).
4) Nationalize energy
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| What policies would you vote for? on 19:53 - Apr 28 with 1305 views | Jango |
| What policies would you vote for? on 19:33 - Apr 28 by exiledclaseboy |
It is a nice pension but they do contribute more than most public sector types.
I will say though that £28k per year max for a constable is ridiculously low given the potential dangers they face. |
£28k is their basic salary. they have very generous overtime rates which can easily take their wages to £40k+. Not a job I'd like to do tho to be fair, not for that money anyway. |  | | |
| What policies would you vote for? on 19:56 - Apr 28 with 1301 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What policies would you vote for? on 19:47 - Apr 28 by Loyal |
£500 is £500 no matter which way you look at it ..... |
No, it's not.
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| What policies would you vote for? on 20:02 - Apr 28 with 1293 views | sherpajacob |
| What policies would you vote for? on 19:11 - Apr 28 by Loyal |
I have also spoken to a friend who is a detective in Cardiff today ( the brother of the officer who save the lives of two family members ) on this very subject. He joined in 1990 and has three years to go. He is in the old pension scheme. He retires in three years with a commutation of £115,000 and £1300 a month. Not bad, but he won't be able to live on £1300 a month in Cardiff. However he will only be 54. To achieve this he has contributed intially 11% and for the past five years 14.75% of his salary. Around £550 a month. A big sum. Other threshold payments have been removed and not replaced costing him 30k up to his retirement date, one which was pensionable. This lost him 9k in pension. He signed up for an 11% contribution had it changed midway through by the govt, if a pension provider did this they would be run out of town, but it's ok, it's the police.
He has been hospitalised four times, stabbed in the head, lost nine teeth and run over breaking his arm and his leg. He has had no injury payments and continues does front line duties, I'm not entirely sure what that means but he is working tonight at 10pm.
He went on to say the new officers do get a pretty poor deal. 21k starting pay and a constable never earning more than 28k throughout their service. I suppose thought that's what they sign up for and you make your bed. Equally if people were envious of the old scheme then maybe they should have joined the coppers themselves and taken an advantage, but I suppose not everyone is up to it.
Edit - inc you trample 😂 Down arrowing cnt 😂 [Post edited 28 Apr 2017 19:17]
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To provide an index linked pension, with 50% spouses pension for a 55 year old male (it's not possible to access a private pension at 54) of £1300 pm on the open market, requires a fund of approx £850,000 , add in the commutation, and his pension is costing the tax payer close to £1m.
Thats why Theresa May reduced police pensions in 2015 when she was home secretary.
As mentioned by Lisa, The UK public sector pension regime is the world's largest ponzi scheme. |  |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 20:31 - Apr 28 with 1274 views | Loyal |
| What policies would you vote for? on 20:02 - Apr 28 by sherpajacob |
To provide an index linked pension, with 50% spouses pension for a 55 year old male (it's not possible to access a private pension at 54) of £1300 pm on the open market, requires a fund of approx £850,000 , add in the commutation, and his pension is costing the tax payer close to £1m.
Thats why Theresa May reduced police pensions in 2015 when she was home secretary.
As mentioned by Lisa, The UK public sector pension regime is the world's largest ponzi scheme. |
He can access it at 54. It just isn't index linked until he is 55 👠|  |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 20:40 - Apr 28 with 1264 views | sherpajacob |
| What policies would you vote for? on 20:31 - Apr 28 by Loyal |
He can access it at 54. It just isn't index linked until he is 55 👠|
Exactly, he can access his police pension at 54.
It is not possible to access a private pension until 55. | |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 00:01 - Apr 29 with 1232 views | Loyal |
| What policies would you vote for? on 20:40 - Apr 28 by sherpajacob |
Exactly, he can access his police pension at 54.
It is not possible to access a private pension until 55. |
And rightly so ðŸ‘
That's the contract he signed up for, however I'm surprised the govt didn't change that as well. [Post edited 29 Apr 2017 0:02]
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| What policies would you vote for? on 10:15 - Apr 29 with 1193 views | yescomeon |
| What policies would you vote for? on 10:31 - Apr 28 by londonlisa2001 |
No.
It would end up inefficient, lacking investment, no innovation or stimulus to seek to innovate, lack of competition would lead to a fall off in customer service, and it would be more expensive for the user.
Look at any business without competition and ask yourself what incentive they have any longer to do the best job that they can. |
I find I agree with a lot of what you post and your points are put across with such authority, and so reasonably that when I find myself in a situation where I disagree with you my initial instinct is that I'm wrong. That said I disagree with you  . Your claims are rooted in ideology (as will be mine), and could equally be levelled at the NHS.
For customer service and expense one could compare energy prices and customer satisfaction across countries with private provision and state provision (I'm not going to do this and I don't expect you to but the data should be out there, I'm sure there will be a thesis on the topic in existence somewhere).
The point on innovation is where I most strongly disagree and my principal interest in re-nationalising energy precisely to aid innovation through technology, as the current model hinders the development new technology (here I mean large technological jumps rather than incremental improvement on existing tech).
The main point should be though that in a modern nation, that like health, the provision of energy is too important to be done for profit. |  |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 09:27 - Apr 30 with 1122 views | dailew |
Scrap Trident.
Stop bombing the ME.
Replace all benefits with a citizen's wage.
Stop most foreign aid till defecit has gone.
Cut public sector wages to what the market can bare.
Nationalise the railways and utilities.
Get rid of all subsidies for the housing market.
No more bank bailouts or QE.
Join the Euro.
An UK republic.
PR.
Ban faith schools.
Stop all Muslim immigration.
All kids go to their local schools.
Let kids leave school at 14.
Alll football clubs with over £100m debt relegated to the Conference. [Post edited 30 Apr 2017 9:31]
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| What policies would you vote for? on 09:30 - Apr 30 with 1111 views | trampie |
| What policies would you vote for? on 09:27 - Apr 30 by dailew |
Scrap Trident.
Stop bombing the ME.
Replace all benefits with a citizen's wage.
Stop most foreign aid till defecit has gone.
Cut public sector wages to what the market can bare.
Nationalise the railways and utilities.
Get rid of all subsidies for the housing market.
No more bank bailouts or QE.
Join the Euro.
An UK republic.
PR.
Ban faith schools.
Stop all Muslim immigration.
All kids go to their local schools.
Let kids leave school at 14.
Alll football clubs with over £100m debt relegated to the Conference. [Post edited 30 Apr 2017 9:31]
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Some interesting picks there dailew. |  |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 09:42 - Apr 30 with 1106 views | dailew |
| What policies would you vote for? on 09:30 - Apr 30 by trampie |
Some interesting picks there dailew. |
And just for you ...
An independent Wales. | |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 10:07 - Apr 30 with 1096 views | trampie |
| What policies would you vote for? on 09:42 - Apr 30 by dailew |
And just for you ...
An independent Wales. |
Loving it large.  | |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 19:57 - May 1 with 1027 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Anyone Tory policy's about yet ? |  |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 19:59 - May 1 with 1025 views | exiledclaseboy |
| What policies would you vote for? on 19:57 - May 1 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Anyone Tory policy's about yet ? |
Strong and stable leadership in the national interest mun. |  |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 20:10 - May 1 with 1014 views | sherpajacob |
| What policies would you vote for? on 19:57 - May 1 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Anyone Tory policy's about yet ? |
Well in 2015 the Tories said they would provide
Strong leadership - Cameron now hiding in his shed.
Clear economic plan - Osborne about to join him.
A secure future as we march towards the cliff edge.
https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto | |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 20:13 - May 1 with 1011 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| What policies would you vote for? on 19:59 - May 1 by exiledclaseboy |
Strong and stable leadership in the national interest mun. |
The titanic was strong & stable | |
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| What policies would you vote for? on 20:18 - May 1 with 1004 views | sherpajacob |
| What policies would you vote for? on 19:59 - May 1 by exiledclaseboy |
Strong and stable leadership in the national interest mun. |
For the sake of brevity on social media, its much simpler to call the Tory position as advocating SS leadership. | |
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