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Apparently some idiots believed Iraq had developed a delivery system comparable to your average minuteman silo or average deep ocean nuclear submarine.....On its way in 45mins........ A BBC Newsnight reporter said he was scared to travel in Iraq ministry provided aviation because sanction-related spare part shortage made the helicopters rattle and sound more like a dodgy lawnmower. But hey!.... some thought Iraq could build hi-tech delivery systems!!!!!!!
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Argus!
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Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 14:58 - May 25 by blueytheblue
Yes, some were against it at the time. If the evidence presented hadn't been "sexed up", had been correct then hindsight would have shown them to be wrong.
I personally didn't buy some of the claims about Hussein. That's just a personal view. May, IDS et al were presented with the intelligence dossiers, correct? They would be making evidence base decisions as a result.
EDIT: The mistake made was Bush not finishing the job in 91 and removing Hussein when there was a far, far stronger rationale to do so.
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Well done Bluey on seeing through the pro war arguments at the time, many of us did, including some now prominent UK politicians seeking high office. You, me and them showed foresight and wisdom and deserve to be recognised as such.
its a shame the UK politicians in positions of influence at the time, failed to show any of these characteristics. indeed the worst of them were quite rabid in pressing Blair to make the case for war.
Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 16:39 - May 25 by sherpajacob
Well done Bluey on seeing through the pro war arguments at the time, many of us did, including some now prominent UK politicians seeking high office. You, me and them showed foresight and wisdom and deserve to be recognised as such.
its a shame the UK politicians in positions of influence at the time, failed to show any of these characteristics. indeed the worst of them were quite rabid in pressing Blair to make the case for war.
F#cking common sense free w#nkers some politicians truly were! The best in terms of range and accuracy Iraq could offer during Iraq-war-1 was the SCUD. But hey IDS thought they'd built a minuteman standard range rocket and silo system in the midst of sanctions that left zero room for manoeuvre to actually build capable delivery systems.
And many w#nkers Tory and Labour fell for it, common sense of a gnat, and many others also knew it was impossible but party political loyalties, hidden agenda's, promises of promotion, seats in House of Lords gave Blair his carte blanche.
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Argus!
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Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 18:29 - May 25 with 1374 views
Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 16:56 - May 25 by Wingstandwood
F#cking common sense free w#nkers some politicians truly were! The best in terms of range and accuracy Iraq could offer during Iraq-war-1 was the SCUD. But hey IDS thought they'd built a minuteman standard range rocket and silo system in the midst of sanctions that left zero room for manoeuvre to actually build capable delivery systems.
And many w#nkers Tory and Labour fell for it, common sense of a gnat, and many others also knew it was impossible but party political loyalties, hidden agenda's, promises of promotion, seats in House of Lords gave Blair his carte blanche.
Theresa certainly believed it, hook, line and sinker.
She was advocating military action, before any dodgy dossiers.
Any politician that believed the Iraq threat is a cloud-cuckoo-land case not fit for parliament and the ones (and there were undoubtedly many) that knew it was utter cr#p and still voted for war are beneath contempt scum.
Just look at despicable prize self serving w#nker LORD Anderson of Swansea who defended Blair, the war, the lies and pro-voting filth to the absolute hilt. There the complete and utter scumbag sits in the House Of Lords with Baron Reid of Cardowan, Baron Prescott, of Kingston upon Hull, Baron Hain, of Neath etc, etc, etc.
Argus!
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Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 19:05 - May 25 with 1339 views
Before the attack on Libya in 2011, there was no al-Qaeda, ISIS, or any other related terrorist organization operating (at least with impunity) on Libyan soil.
Today in the Philippines Isis have taken over a city Yesterday they blew a bus up in Iraq killing kids again.
They don't give a flying f@ck what race religion colour sex people are , brainwashed.
Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 20:08 - May 25 by oh_tommy_tommy
Before the attack on Libya in 2011, there was no al-Qaeda, ISIS, or any other related terrorist organization operating (at least with impunity) on Libyan soil.
Today in the Philippines Isis have taken over a city Yesterday they blew a bus up in Iraq killing kids again.
They don't give a flying f@ck what race religion colour sex people are , brainwashed.
I don't fancy their chances in Philippines with their prime minister
Upthecity!
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Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 14:07 - May 25 by Humpty
Yes they did. But they were a tiny group without mass support.
Then we used 9/11 as an excuse to invade a different country that had nothing to do with 9/11, caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and completely destabilized the Middle East.
A Muslim adopting the slogan "God is great"? Whatever next ?????
If you are saying Saddam Hussein created Islamic fundamentalism I've got news for you. It's been around a bit longer than that. He "got religion" to try to coax the other Arab nations to support and defend Iraq from the imminent and inevitable U.S. land grab.
Isis came out of the ashes of Al Qaeda in Iraq and were a result of the shia government being installed in Iraq . It's all sectarian. Isis wiping out all the Shia in Iraq would be a satisfactory result for Isis. They couldn't so they decided to form their own country or Calif slightly to the west.
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
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Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:22 - May 26 with 1076 views
Hundreds of shoppers and workers couldn't get back to their cars yesterday. Can't help thinking a bit of an over reaction by the authorities i.e. If it happened last week on one would have taken any notice of an abandoned car. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-40047995
PROUD RECIPIENT OF THE THIRD PLANET SWANS LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.
"Per ardua ad astra"
Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 16:39 - May 25 by sherpajacob
Well done Bluey on seeing through the pro war arguments at the time, many of us did, including some now prominent UK politicians seeking high office. You, me and them showed foresight and wisdom and deserve to be recognised as such.
its a shame the UK politicians in positions of influence at the time, failed to show any of these characteristics. indeed the worst of them were quite rabid in pressing Blair to make the case for war.
No, we made assessments without viewing of any facts or evidence. What we had were gut feelings, let's recognise that rather than fellating ourselves over our greatness.
If we'd been viewed the intelligence dossiers, can we really hand on heart claim we'd have had the same view?
Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:30 - May 26 by blueytheblue
No, we made assessments without viewing of any facts or evidence. What we had were gut feelings, let's recognise that rather than fellating ourselves over our greatness.
If we'd been viewed the intelligence dossiers, can we really hand on heart claim we'd have had the same view?
so you didn't trust the judgment of IDS or May then, do you trust them now?
May and IDS were calling for pre emptive strikes and military action in 2002, before the production of any dossiers.
My view was based on the absence of a UN resolution to go to war. rather than gut feelings, although my gut feeling were against it as well.
Gut feelings should not really be used as an argument either for or against war.
"After the Manchester massacre… yes, and after Nice and Paris, Mosul and Abu Ghraib and 7/7 and the Haditha massacre — remember those 28 civilians, including children, killed by US Marines, four more than Manchester but no minute’s silence for them? And of course 9/11…
Counterbalancing cruelty is no response, of course. Just a reminder. As long as we bomb the Middle East instead of seeking justice there, we too will be attacked. But what we must concentrate upon, according to the monstrous Trump, is terror, terror, terror, terror, terror. And fear. And security. Which we will not have while we are promoting death in the Muslim world and selling weapons to its dictators. Believe in “terror” and Isis wins. Believe in justice and Isis is defeated."
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Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 21:12 - May 26 with 945 views
"After the Manchester massacre… yes, and after Nice and Paris, Mosul and Abu Ghraib and 7/7 and the Haditha massacre — remember those 28 civilians, including children, killed by US Marines, four more than Manchester but no minute’s silence for them? And of course 9/11…
Counterbalancing cruelty is no response, of course. Just a reminder. As long as we bomb the Middle East instead of seeking justice there, we too will be attacked. But what we must concentrate upon, according to the monstrous Trump, is terror, terror, terror, terror, terror. And fear. And security. Which we will not have while we are promoting death in the Muslim world and selling weapons to its dictators. Believe in “terror” and Isis wins. Believe in justice and Isis is defeated."
No profit in justice though eh.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.
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Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 01:40 - May 27 with 887 views
If it carries on like this within a few years, this kind of atrocity will be the norm, it may even be sooner.. Personally I would like to deport or put in some sort of holding cell for every single one of them..Muslims that is! Islam is just walking the fck over us..
libera nos a malo
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Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 01:55 - May 27 with 874 views
Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 01:40 - May 27 by Jack123
If it carries on like this within a few years, this kind of atrocity will be the norm, it may even be sooner.. Personally I would like to deport or put in some sort of holding cell for every single one of them..Muslims that is! Islam is just walking the fck over us..
You want to put every Islamic person in a cell? Yeah that's really going to solve it.
Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 01:55 - May 27 by Ebo
You want to put every Islamic person in a cell? Yeah that's really going to solve it.
Not a cell..Just deport them, would be a lot easier.. but a cell for an easy option! Or some Island nearby, where they can fester their stupid ideology elsewhere.
libera nos a malo
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Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 05:16 - May 27 with 832 views
Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 01:40 - May 27 by Jack123
If it carries on like this within a few years, this kind of atrocity will be the norm, it may even be sooner.. Personally I would like to deport or put in some sort of holding cell for every single one of them..Muslims that is! Islam is just walking the fck over us..
You are a f*cking tw*t.
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Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 06:27 - May 27 with 814 views
Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 02:07 - May 27 by Jack123
Not a cell..Just deport them, would be a lot easier.. but a cell for an easy option! Or some Island nearby, where they can fester their stupid ideology elsewhere.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you've got no mates who are Moslem. I've met a few through work and admit I was a bit guarded at first (we fear what we don't understand).
Based on my experience I expect you'd actually find Moslems alright. Okay, the praying five times daily is unusual compared to us, they're not going to get tanked up in the pub, and you're going to find yourself eating with them in halal restaurants rather than MacDonalds but I'm sure you have the wit to see past those differences.
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