| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts 20:59 - May 26 with 1556 views | STID2017 |
Firstly, am I right in assuming the Trust still holds 21% of the clubs shares ?
This would mean the Americans and others own 79% between them, yes ?
My main question is does anyone have an idea how much it would cost the trust to buy a contolling interest in the club ( presumably 30%) ?
Is it at all possible that if the funds could be raised by reinvigorating the Trust that the club could be taken back under supporters' control ? |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 06:22 - May 27 with 1226 views | SwansNZ |
Probably around £50 million.
Better get a big bucket. |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 06:49 - May 27 with 1222 views | E20Jack |
There would be no realistic amount of money. Why would the Americans relinquish their controlling stake to the Trust? |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 07:06 - May 27 with 1212 views | jack247 |
You can't buy something the owner doesn't want to sell. |  | | |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 08:40 - May 27 with 1138 views | Kilkennyjack |
Its interesting.
Even if you could, then buying now would be top dollar.
I would sell the 22% now.
Simply keep the money until the inevitable happens and the Swans go belly up.
Then step in and get a controlling share for a far cheaper price.
No point hanging in there now as we have zero influence.
We cant even get the previous Directors out.
The Trust is here for the long term and can play the long game. |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 08:42 - May 27 with 1135 views | hobo |
How much do we have in the bank from previous dividends and donations? |  | | |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 08:46 - May 27 with 1127 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Sell the shares and divide the money out between trust members only .
I could do with early retirement 😀 |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:12 - May 27 with 1110 views | E20Jack |
This is why the Trust absolutely have to sell. The snakes that are the old board, ensured that the Trust can never pursue any realistic hope of getting a controlling or protective stake as they sold their voting rights to ensure that it can never be done without the Americans wanting it to happen.
The Trust is in a fantastic position where it has 21% of an attractive Premier League club. Something I am sure nobody had ever expected. They have the power now to cash those in for an amount of money that can protect the club in the future and can potentially buy it 100% outright if things go t*ts up with this lot.
The alternative is they stay trying to build bridges, always get kept at arms length, have absolutely no realistic say and get diluted to a point where they are left with absolutely nothing. Absolute no brainer for me.
All work should now be going into ways to maximise money for the shares. The snakes have forced the Trust to do it, anything else will be massively counter productive. | |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:22 - May 27 with 1094 views | monmouth |
Sell to who, boys? |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:27 - May 27 with 1081 views | E20Jack |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:22 - May 27 by monmouth |
Sell to who, boys? |
Legal action is the best option where the result would hopefully force the sale at the price the other shares were bought for.
If they fail in the legal case then a sale at cut price to venture capitalists would certainly be viable. Someone whom could buy more shares in a share creation and not fear dilution. The Premier League is a massive draw on and off the field. | |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:28 - May 27 with 1080 views | Jackfath |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:22 - May 27 by monmouth |
Sell to who, boys? |
A PS consortium of Perch, Dazzler, skippy and Chrissie. |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:35 - May 27 with 1060 views | 3swan |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:27 - May 27 by E20Jack |
Legal action is the best option where the result would hopefully force the sale at the price the other shares were bought for.
If they fail in the legal case then a sale at cut price to venture capitalists would certainly be viable. Someone whom could buy more shares in a share creation and not fear dilution. The Premier League is a massive draw on and off the field. |
If a court case was lost, a sale to venture capitalists would have to be at a very cut price sale if not at all.
The only way they would make money is through dividends at that would have to be in the long term to cover the sale price. Otherwise it would be on the future sale of the shares.
Profit on share sale if we stay in the Prem. Loss if we are relegated. Can't see many institutions taking that chance. | | | |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:37 - May 27 with 1049 views | E20Jack |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:35 - May 27 by 3swan |
If a court case was lost, a sale to venture capitalists would have to be at a very cut price sale if not at all.
The only way they would make money is through dividends at that would have to be in the long term to cover the sale price. Otherwise it would be on the future sale of the shares.
Profit on share sale if we stay in the Prem. Loss if we are relegated. Can't see many institutions taking that chance. |
Its the only option left to the Trust though. In that scenario it is
1) some money and no influence
2) no money and no influence
No brainer.
I am sure if the word was put out that 21% of a Premier League football club was available for £10m, you would get a lot of interested parties. £10m is massively undervalued to what they should have been but that £10m could be vital for us in the future, especially if handled properly. [Post edited 27 May 2017 9:40]
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:39 - May 27 with 1043 views | Highjack |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 07:06 - May 27 by jack247 |
You can't buy something the owner doesn't want to sell. |
Can't we rob it off them using some sort of massive gun? Or have I been watching too many gangster films? |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:48 - May 27 with 1015 views | 3swan |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:37 - May 27 by E20Jack |
Its the only option left to the Trust though. In that scenario it is
1) some money and no influence
2) no money and no influence
No brainer.
I am sure if the word was put out that 21% of a Premier League football club was available for £10m, you would get a lot of interested parties. £10m is massively undervalued to what they should have been but that £10m could be vital for us in the future, especially if handled properly. [Post edited 27 May 2017 9:40]
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I don't really know the answer, as none of us know the details of the current conversations.
I still think there would be few takers, even at £10, with very little input into decisions .
Added to the history of the current issue, and our near relegation, there imo be little chance of making money in the short term. | | | |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 10:12 - May 27 with 987 views | monmouth |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:48 - May 27 by 3swan |
I don't really know the answer, as none of us know the details of the current conversations.
I still think there would be few takers, even at £10, with very little input into decisions .
Added to the history of the current issue, and our near relegation, there imo be little chance of making money in the short term. |
Possible, but all a bit pie in the sky imo.
I'd bet on leverage for the trust through a winnable legal case, or f**k all. | |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 10:19 - May 27 with 963 views | perchrockjack |
Want to chip in Fathy? | |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 10:48 - May 27 with 910 views | Darran |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:28 - May 27 by Jackfath |
A PS consortium of Perch, Dazzler, skippy and Chrissie. |
I'd have to sell my car to raise the cash so I'm out. |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 06:36 - May 28 with 767 views | Meraki |
Nothing is going to happen, QC opinion is imminent next year.
And there will be no action taken. | | | |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 06:58 - May 28 with 754 views | waynekerr55 |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 06:36 - May 28 by Meraki |
Nothing is going to happen, QC opinion is imminent next year.
And there will be no action taken. |
Have you ever been involved in litigation? Genuine question? Acquiring a proxy freehold worth 21k tool nearly three years. The problem is communication, not lack of action |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 07:33 - May 28 with 735 views | Meraki |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 06:58 - May 28 by waynekerr55 |
Have you ever been involved in litigation? Genuine question? Acquiring a proxy freehold worth 21k tool nearly three years. The problem is communication, not lack of action |
Never, but its plain as day its going nowhere. | | | |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 13:23 - May 28 with 627 views | waynekerr55 |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 07:33 - May 28 by Meraki |
Never, but its plain as day its going nowhere. |
Well from the little that I know that's not the case. I agree that the trust should communicate more, but this notion that nothing is happening isn't the case. Never underestimate the snails pace of litigation, my comrade | |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 13:28 - May 28 with 612 views | perchrockjack |
So comrade merski meraki is wrong ? | |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 13:41 - May 28 with 614 views | Starsky |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 13:23 - May 28 by waynekerr55 |
Well from the little that I know that's not the case. I agree that the trust should communicate more, but this notion that nothing is happening isn't the case. Never underestimate the snails pace of litigation, my comrade |
Disconnect between the trust and its members. That's what's happening here.
Incredible really. |  |
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| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 14:04 - May 28 with 595 views | A_Fans_Dad |
The Trust email statement today didn't mention anything new at all. Just that they met with the owners as intended. | | | |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 18:24 - May 28 with 533 views | cimlajack |
| The Trust's Shares and Other Thoughts on 09:22 - May 27 by monmouth |
Sell to who, boys? |
The shares are worthless,effectively,the "new owners" bought 78% of the voting rights for 100% control of the club, "Bargain".
Not even the new owners ,whoever they may be,would have any reason to buy them.
What benefit would they be to the current regime ?
Every time someone mentions dividends i cringe,dividends are simply not going to happen,there are more profitable ways to get money out of the club without having to involve the Trust. | | | |
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