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Before I get onto this one let me please explain that I am a left wing snowflake liberal that wants everyone to just get along and love each other. I used to live on Hornsey Rd, nr Finchley Park for 2 years. It was by far the best place I ever lived in London in the 8 yrs I loved there. However, after last night's incident in Finsbury Park, how many British, white people are actually thinking what a lot of other people are thinking? That last night was just a natural fight back against what has been happening recently? Imagine your daughter was blown to bits by that twa t in Manchester? It is unpalatable, but there are plenty of people around this country contemplating "tooth for a tooth".
British fight back? on 09:50 - Jun 20 by LeonWasGod
Well said. Whether this would be classed as terrorism or not is open to debate, but as you say reacting in this way is both completely misplaced and makes the guy no better than those involved in the recent events in manchester and London.
The fact people are trying to justify it is quite scarey and sad in equal measure.
F*cking stinks of terrorism to me.
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British fight back? on 11:09 - Jun 20 with 1367 views
Everyday there are people renting a van in Pontyclun driving to London and deliberately plowing into a bunch of people leaving a Mosque?
Everyday?
Bloody hell - you'd think we'd have heard before now.
You contemptible w****er.
Well seeing as just about every man and his dog is jumping to conclusions, why can't we jump to a conclusion that he could be a contractor that works in London Mon-Fri, drives up to London on the Sunday, goes on the piss, drives back to his digs and veers off the road because there is a commotion happening in the street?
Could this not be at all plausible?
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British fight back? on 11:22 - Jun 20 with 1336 views
I said debateable, simply because people are debating it. Some former Met leader was on the radio this morning saying we need to be careful with categorising. He also had an issue with the phrase 'war on terror' as some people use it to justify aggression against innocents as some sort of noble and patriotic fight (as seen in the OP, for example), when clearly what happened at Finsbury Park was anything but patriotic.
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British fight back? on 11:31 - Jun 20 with 1318 views
British fight back? on 11:09 - Jun 20 by SoberBaker
Well seeing as just about every man and his dog is jumping to conclusions, why can't we jump to a conclusion that he could be a contractor that works in London Mon-Fri, drives up to London on the Sunday, goes on the piss, drives back to his digs and veers off the road because there is a commotion happening in the street?
Could this not be at all plausible?
All this whilst screaming "I want to kill all muslims" then blowing kisses when being arrested.
I think the togetherness outside the mosque showing support is amazing. All faiths and all colours. We should be proud of our country. Also incredible to see the Oman protect this terrorist. What do the Muslim terrorists get 50 bullets!!
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British fight back? on 12:21 - Jun 20 with 1245 views
British fight back? on 12:03 - Jun 20 by jackportis
I think the togetherness outside the mosque showing support is amazing. All faiths and all colours. We should be proud of our country. Also incredible to see the Oman protect this terrorist. What do the Muslim terrorists get 50 bullets!!
"....incredible to see the Oman protect this terrorist"
Here we have Nazi Nigel predicting "Violence is the next step"
I genuinely do not see what is wrong with outlining what is generally historically accurate. If democracy is seen to fail , violence usually does arise. I don't see that as condoning anything other than pointing out a pattern. If he said something like "if voting failed, I want to see people commiting violence" you may have a case.
British fight back? on 11:09 - Jun 20 by SoberBaker
Well seeing as just about every man and his dog is jumping to conclusions, why can't we jump to a conclusion that he could be a contractor that works in London Mon-Fri, drives up to London on the Sunday, goes on the piss, drives back to his digs and veers off the road because there is a commotion happening in the street?
Could this not be at all plausible?
I believe that he stopped to ask for directions to the mosque.
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British fight back? on 13:44 - Jun 20 with 1100 views
Whenever there's a terrorist attack or some other form of horrible event like Grenfell Tower you see Muslims pitching in to help, taking people home in their taxis for free, comforting people, feeding the emergency services, you know just generally going above and beyond to do decent things.
What did the Far Right do after London Bridge? Have a march, protected by a heavy police presence, trying to convince us how hard they are.
What did the Far Right do after Manchester? Have a march, protected by a heavy police presence, trying to convince us how hard they are.
What did the Far Right do after Westminster Bridge? Have a march, protected by a heavy police presence, trying to convince us how hard they are.
What did the Far Right do after Lee Rigby? Have a march, protected by a heavy police presence, trying to convince us how hard they are.
What did the Far Right do after Rotherham? Have a march, protected by a heavy police presence, trying to convince us how hard they are.
What did the Far Right do after Grenfell Tower? F&ck all, other than Paul Golding hauling his fat arse down to hassle Muslim volunteers who were doing things like making sure the survivors had food, water and clothes.
And yet these fat, drunk shitheads want to tell us that Muslims haven't integrated into British society? Nah lads, it's you gimps who haven't integrated with society, doing f*ck all for anyone except waste police time getting chased out of Liverpool to the Benny Hill theme and making excuses when some dozy prick takes your bullshit seriously and plows a van into a bunch of innocent people.
I believe that he stopped to ask for directions to the mosque.
Well they couldn't have been good at it, he was a street and a half away.
As for the basis of this thread, to deny this man was not a terrorist is wrong, he perpetrated an act to purposefully sow panic/terror against a specific group. Although I have not seen footage of him actually screaming about "killing all Muslims" and "done his part", I have no reason to doubt that those lines , or something similar were uttered, as they are not beyond the pale of the act. There has been some statements made by witnesses though that do not seem to be verified, or likely, given the events we know...ie. three men involved, be came out slashing at people, etc.
I personally do not believe in retaliatory attacks to be justifiable reasons in these cases, but I'm going to guess that will be the justification he has in his mind, and the reason I'm guessing this, is that methods are similar to the attacks done in recent months in London by Islamic fundamentalists.
Whenever there's a terrorist attack or some other form of horrible event like Grenfell Tower you see Muslims pitching in to help, taking people home in their taxis for free, comforting people, feeding the emergency services, you know just generally going above and beyond to do decent things.
What did the Far Right do after London Bridge? Have a march, protected by a heavy police presence, trying to convince us how hard they are.
What did the Far Right do after Manchester? Have a march, protected by a heavy police presence, trying to convince us how hard they are.
What did the Far Right do after Westminster Bridge? Have a march, protected by a heavy police presence, trying to convince us how hard they are.
What did the Far Right do after Lee Rigby? Have a march, protected by a heavy police presence, trying to convince us how hard they are.
What did the Far Right do after Rotherham? Have a march, protected by a heavy police presence, trying to convince us how hard they are.
What did the Far Right do after Grenfell Tower? F&ck all, other than Paul Golding hauling his fat arse down to hassle Muslim volunteers who were doing things like making sure the survivors had food, water and clothes.
And yet these fat, drunk shitheads want to tell us that Muslims haven't integrated into British society? Nah lads, it's you gimps who haven't integrated with society, doing f*ck all for anyone except waste police time getting chased out of Liverpool to the Benny Hill theme and making excuses when some dozy prick takes your bullshit seriously and plows a van into a bunch of innocent people.
White people helped out in the trauma areas just as much, as did Jews, Hindus, Black, Asian etc. Your post is ridiculous.
Although Westminster, London Bridge, Manchester, Rotherham & Lee Rigby do have a common theme, as you inadvertently highlighted.
Far Right Idiots / Lunatics held marches. Islamic Muslim Terrorists continued with their attacks. Round & round we go....
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British fight back? on 14:30 - Jun 20 with 1034 views
British fight back? on 14:11 - Jun 20 by TailGunner
White people helped out in the trauma areas just as much, as did Jews, Hindus, Black, Asian etc. Your post is ridiculous.
Although Westminster, London Bridge, Manchester, Rotherham & Lee Rigby do have a common theme, as you inadvertently highlighted.
Far Right Idiots / Lunatics held marches. Islamic Muslim Terrorists continued with their attacks. Round & round we go....
The point I am making is that the press and these far right/alt right groups never seem to mention ethnic groups helping out, most of the time they are the first to help out.
These Britain First numpties honestly believe they are carrying out gods work (remind you of anyone?) they believe they are an army when in reality they are a small group of fat blokes in green bomber jackets. They never mention the fact that ethnic groups are amongst the most giving in society and the ones who are most willing to integrate.
The problem we have in the UK is that there are too many people easily led who make no effort to help with integration and instead choose to shun, mock and accuse anyone that does not look or speak like them.
He doesn't need to be a member of anything to be a terrorist. He is a terrorist by his actions.
The reason that the papers can't call him one by the way is because he's alive and subject to a prosecution, therefore they can't give him a label that could influence the court case.
The other cases the terrorist has been killed so the papers can report freely.
Good point.
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British fight back? on 18:33 - Jun 20 with 864 views
British fight back? on 12:49 - Jun 20 by swanjackal
I genuinely do not see what is wrong with outlining what is generally historically accurate. If democracy is seen to fail , violence usually does arise. I don't see that as condoning anything other than pointing out a pattern. If he said something like "if voting failed, I want to see people commiting violence" you may have a case.
Imagine the outrage if Corbyn said this. Or Diane Abbott. Or John McDonnell. Or anyone from the Left.
Quote; "if people feel that voting doesn't change things, then violence is the next step."
There are no circumstances where, in a functioning democracy, violence is legitimate. Violence in such Democratic structures is a sign of one thing: political failure.
Here we have Nazi Nigel predicting "Violence is the next step"
This is the problem Ebo, he isn't a Nazi, that completely undermines the millions of deaths in the 40's at the hands of real nazis. This throw away Nazi thing is too easy a thing to say, it is incorrect and stifles debate. Just saying like.
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The point I am making is that the press and these far right/alt right groups never seem to mention ethnic groups helping out, most of the time they are the first to help out.
These Britain First numpties honestly believe they are carrying out gods work (remind you of anyone?) they believe they are an army when in reality they are a small group of fat blokes in green bomber jackets. They never mention the fact that ethnic groups are amongst the most giving in society and the ones who are most willing to integrate.
The problem we have in the UK is that there are too many people easily led who make no effort to help with integration and instead choose to shun, mock and accuse anyone that does not look or speak like them.
Your last paragraph goes right across the board left to right, Christian to Muslim and is exactly my view.
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