| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread 21:41 - Mar 20 with 141608 views | 442Dale |
We have 87 days for people to get their £50 deposits in to determine the price of the 2017/18 Season Tickets.
Average amount of daily sales required by 21st June to hit the targets:
2000 (£250): 23
2500 (£200): 29
3000 (£150): 35
4000 (£110): 46
Keeping a track of this really helped ramp up the interest when Hartlepool fans did it, so hopefully it'll have a similar effect. Debate the numbers here over the next week, then we can add the figures once sales commence. |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 16:51 - May 17 with 3739 views | SaxonDale |
Wonder if the club would have any more success now if they were to reduce the deposit amount to say, a tenner, and even had a raffle prize alongside it. If, as some have speculated, the eventual plan is to reduce all season tickets to 110 then I can't see many who have already put down a deposit not fulfilling it, thus reducing any potential grumblings.
With the football season over we've lost our best advertising tool for this promotion so it's no surprise that the offer has hit a lull. Russ Green will be certainly trying to sell these tickets to businesses but with respect, this deal is more about targeting the everyday man (or woman) and child of Rochdale. [Post edited 17 May 2017 16:53]
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:16 - May 17 with 3699 views | boromat |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 16:51 - May 17 by SaxonDale |
Wonder if the club would have any more success now if they were to reduce the deposit amount to say, a tenner, and even had a raffle prize alongside it. If, as some have speculated, the eventual plan is to reduce all season tickets to 110 then I can't see many who have already put down a deposit not fulfilling it, thus reducing any potential grumblings.
With the football season over we've lost our best advertising tool for this promotion so it's no surprise that the offer has hit a lull. Russ Green will be certainly trying to sell these tickets to businesses but with respect, this deal is more about targeting the everyday man (or woman) and child of Rochdale. [Post edited 17 May 2017 16:53]
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With the amount we've sold I can't see it being reduced to 110 small chance of it being reduced to 200 if we get to 2000 but even then it'll depend on how confident they are of getting to 2500 |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 18:09 - May 17 with 3645 views | DaleiLama |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:16 - May 17 by boromat |
With the amount we've sold I can't see it being reduced to 110 small chance of it being reduced to 200 if we get to 2000 but even then it'll depend on how confident they are of getting to 2500 |
Without intervention, 2,500 seems a long way off in a little over a month assuming status quo, if that's what you're proposing.
If it was capped at £150 now, 2,500 should be a doddle? You would hope there'd be a lot more on top of that too. In fact the number could then be whatever you want. |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 19:34 - May 17 with 3556 views | TrueDaleBlue |
The sales of season tickets do seem to have stalled, but are the club doing all they can to promote sales? The posters around the town have disappeared, and advertising them on social media are only preaching to the people that attend now. Having the stand in the wheatsheaf centre on a midweek day when the footfall on a Saturday could be described as sparse at best.
What about taking that stand and going to the three major supermarkets, Tesco, Asda, Morrisons, and also Kingsway retail park on a Saturday when there are thousands of people using these facilities, and get mythering passing trade. | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 20:08 - May 17 with 3505 views | ColDale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 19:34 - May 17 by TrueDaleBlue |
The sales of season tickets do seem to have stalled, but are the club doing all they can to promote sales? The posters around the town have disappeared, and advertising them on social media are only preaching to the people that attend now. Having the stand in the wheatsheaf centre on a midweek day when the footfall on a Saturday could be described as sparse at best.
What about taking that stand and going to the three major supermarkets, Tesco, Asda, Morrisons, and also Kingsway retail park on a Saturday when there are thousands of people using these facilities, and get mythering passing trade. |
Surely the fixture board could be utilised in some way rather than staying blank until 22nd June |  | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 20:12 - May 17 with 3490 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 20:08 - May 17 by ColDale |
Surely the fixture board could be utilised in some way rather than staying blank until 22nd June |
It took bloody years to get it used properly as a fixture board, we don't want to move all the mountains in one decade. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:22 - May 18 with 3146 views | claude |
Here is a plan!
at the moment we have 1500 paying their £50 deposits means that season tickets are £250
Now - if those same 1500 went and paid a further £50 for a second season ticket that would mean 3000 sold - price drop to £150
that would mean they would pay £150 + £50 for lost deposit £200 in total (so at present still a saving)....
OR
a computer whizz in conjunction with the trust do a crowd funding and raise £125,000 to (buy) the next 2,500 deposits, thus reducing the season tickets to £110 and anyone then buying one uses the "trusts" block booking but refunds the trusts deposit.
Complicated in a short space of time but possible to be done... where there is a will .. | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 15:35 - May 18 with 3074 views | nordenblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:22 - May 18 by claude |
Here is a plan!
at the moment we have 1500 paying their £50 deposits means that season tickets are £250
Now - if those same 1500 went and paid a further £50 for a second season ticket that would mean 3000 sold - price drop to £150
that would mean they would pay £150 + £50 for lost deposit £200 in total (so at present still a saving)....
OR
a computer whizz in conjunction with the trust do a crowd funding and raise £125,000 to (buy) the next 2,500 deposits, thus reducing the season tickets to £110 and anyone then buying one uses the "trusts" block booking but refunds the trusts deposit.
Complicated in a short space of time but possible to be done... where there is a will .. |
Or the club realise the tickets aren't shifting and take the risk factor away from the customer,make the first 3000k or so ST say £110 for everyone..... voila... | | | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 16:57 - May 18 with 3020 views | boromat |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 15:35 - May 18 by nordenblue |
Or the club realise the tickets aren't shifting and take the risk factor away from the customer,make the first 3000k or so ST say £110 for everyone..... voila... |
Or realise it's a failed experiment let the fans have season tickets for £250 this year and put it back to normal next year...... | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 18:16 - May 18 with 2947 views | nordenblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 16:57 - May 18 by boromat |
Or realise it's a failed experiment let the fans have season tickets for £250 this year and put it back to normal next year...... |
It will only fail due to half hearted advertising and baffling sales tactics employed in an attempt to shift them.
I'll promote a product for sale, something you're mildly interested in with a price tag you dont yet know,but may well triple by the time you receive it,then if you don't mind hand us a none returnable 50 quid for the pleasure if you would...... many thanks | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:21 - May 18 with 2774 views | TVOS1907 |
I wonder if the outcome of Bradford v Millwall on Saturday may have an impact on the next move?
If Bradford stay down, it could be worth in the region of another £50,000 to our coffers next season.
If Millwall stay down, that income could be about six times less. |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 08:39 - May 19 with 2622 views | AussieDale |
Don't agree. It will fail predominantly because, apart from rusted on dale supporters numbering around 1750-2000, others are not the slightest bit interested in their local team no matter how good the S/T offer is and how good or bad the promotion of it is.
With the possible exception of Leicester last year it is difficult to identify a club that has over achieved to the degree that we have over the last few years. Everything about us screams
Conference yet entirely due to the efforts of the Board and management we find ourselves stabilised in the upper reaches of division 1. Being a regular reader of both this Board and Bury's equivalent you'd think from the general tone of both boards that we had just blown through $7m in three years to finish somewhere near the bottom and Bury were a well run club, debt free, and stabilised in the top 10. | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 11:45 - May 19 with 2526 views | nordenblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 08:39 - May 19 by AussieDale |
Don't agree. It will fail predominantly because, apart from rusted on dale supporters numbering around 1750-2000, others are not the slightest bit interested in their local team no matter how good the S/T offer is and how good or bad the promotion of it is.
With the possible exception of Leicester last year it is difficult to identify a club that has over achieved to the degree that we have over the last few years. Everything about us screams
Conference yet entirely due to the efforts of the Board and management we find ourselves stabilised in the upper reaches of division 1. Being a regular reader of both this Board and Bury's equivalent you'd think from the general tone of both boards that we had just blown through $7m in three years to finish somewhere near the bottom and Bury were a well run club, debt free, and stabilised in the top 10. |
You say that but we took something in the region of 17,000 to Wembley i believe, not too long back,there is definitely a market there it's just grabbing people's interest with an offer they simply can't refuse to pick up on,in complete contrast to what's currently going on | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 12:56 - May 19 with 2463 views | boromat |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 11:45 - May 19 by nordenblue |
You say that but we took something in the region of 17,000 to Wembley i believe, not too long back,there is definitely a market there it's just grabbing people's interest with an offer they simply can't refuse to pick up on,in complete contrast to what's currently going on |
Yes but how many of those were UTD, CITY and even Oldham fans and how many were family members that aren't actually interested in football and went for the day out?
There's realistically probably a target audience of 4,000 that would realistically think about a season ticket if the price was right. But I don't think there are 2,500 people willing to pay £250, I doubt there's even 2,000 people willing to pay £250 as we're counting the juniors now as well in the figures sold. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:08 - May 19 with 2445 views | nordenblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 12:56 - May 19 by boromat |
Yes but how many of those were UTD, CITY and even Oldham fans and how many were family members that aren't actually interested in football and went for the day out?
There's realistically probably a target audience of 4,000 that would realistically think about a season ticket if the price was right. But I don't think there are 2,500 people willing to pay £250, I doubt there's even 2,000 people willing to pay £250 as we're counting the juniors now as well in the figures sold. |
People who have paid a significant amount of money to watch Dale should be targeted as "potential" fans, if the price was right people who wouldn't normally attend will be attracted purely on the value for money,to not even attempt to is criminal in my eyes | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:38 - May 19 with 2409 views | 442Dale |
The problem has become two-fold. Those who could have paid £50 and haven't yet have affected the numbers and stalled momentum/ interest, whilst at the same time the club appear to have stopped promoting it as much. Especially the specific numbers regularly - partly because of the momentum maybe?
One leads to the other to the other... Not that it should. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:47 - May 19 with 2392 views | DaleiLama |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:38 - May 19 by 442Dale |
The problem has become two-fold. Those who could have paid £50 and haven't yet have affected the numbers and stalled momentum/ interest, whilst at the same time the club appear to have stopped promoting it as much. Especially the specific numbers regularly - partly because of the momentum maybe?
One leads to the other to the other... Not that it should. |
Which is why the promotion has to have a kick up the Jacksy. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:49 - May 19 with 2389 views | D_Alien |
Given the lack of momentum, is everyone holidaying in Ayrshire? |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:32 - May 19 with 2234 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:38 - May 19 by 442Dale |
The problem has become two-fold. Those who could have paid £50 and haven't yet have affected the numbers and stalled momentum/ interest, whilst at the same time the club appear to have stopped promoting it as much. Especially the specific numbers regularly - partly because of the momentum maybe?
One leads to the other to the other... Not that it should. |
Hill's new contract should also see movement on both sides of this momentum fence. Fully expect any supporters wavering to see it as a massive positive and worth the £50 bet. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:26 - May 20 with 1823 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:11 - May 20 by nordenblue |
Great post,hit the nail firmly on the head... it's all very noble saying what people "should" do with regards to a deposit,the simple facts are people currently arent/won't gamble when theres a sizeable risk attached...... |
Nobody is saying people "should" put down a deposit if there's a risk, ie. they can't afford it. We've said it loads, if you're a Dale fan and can, there's little reason not to. Especially now there's a guaranteed maximum price that is excellent value for money. (Less that £11 a game. Would most supporters pay that on the gate every week?)
re. The Hill situation: hopefully it'll encourage supporters who aren't 100% on board with the ST initiative to think "well the club and manager are making significant moves to ensure the team moves forward so if they're doing that I'll chuck my 50 quid in". From there the momentum may start again in terms of lapsed/semi-regular/general football fans becoming interested in a reinvigorated scheme.
Do I think the club should do another price drop to attract the groups mentioned above? Yes.
Do I think they should be increasing the promotion and interest around sales numbers and creative ways to increase them? Yes. And maybe there are plans in place.
We can only try to assist and offer constructive criticism and solutions around that though. [Post edited 20 May 2017 14:35]
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:50 - May 20 with 1781 views | D_Alien |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:26 - May 20 by 442Dale |
Nobody is saying people "should" put down a deposit if there's a risk, ie. they can't afford it. We've said it loads, if you're a Dale fan and can, there's little reason not to. Especially now there's a guaranteed maximum price that is excellent value for money. (Less that £11 a game. Would most supporters pay that on the gate every week?)
re. The Hill situation: hopefully it'll encourage supporters who aren't 100% on board with the ST initiative to think "well the club and manager are making significant moves to ensure the team moves forward so if they're doing that I'll chuck my 50 quid in". From there the momentum may start again in terms of lapsed/semi-regular/general football fans becoming interested in a reinvigorated scheme.
Do I think the club should do another price drop to attract the groups mentioned above? Yes.
Do I think they should be increasing the promotion and interest around sales numbers and creative ways to increase them? Yes. And maybe there are plans in place.
We can only try to assist and offer constructive criticism and solutions around that though. [Post edited 20 May 2017 14:35]
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Yes to all of that - and in agreeing that another price drop might be needed, that's not to say it should occur now
imo to do so now (except to the bottom line of £110) would perhaps lead waverers to think "they've dropped it twice, i'll wait till they've dropped it further" and thus any momentum doesn't happen
As you say, at £250 max it's an absolute bargain and already a saving for those fans who're only willing or able to attend say 15 games, or Saturday games
The club should now be striving to get over the 2000 mark - or should I say barrier, since that'd be taking us into completely uncharted territory. Free junior tickets, marketed cleverly to schools, is an unmissable open goal to achieve this. That doesn't add value (except on matchdays at the kiosks) but it's a case of restoring much needed momentum
I've said previously that I reckon this type of initiave shouldn't just be a one-off, but might need two or three seasons to gain real traction, allied with on-field performances. Obviously, yesterday's contract news puts that in a new light and the club should give it a week or two for it to sink in (whilst making further inroads with schools and businesses) before the final push starts | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 15:04 - May 20 with 1761 views | nordenblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:26 - May 20 by 442Dale |
Nobody is saying people "should" put down a deposit if there's a risk, ie. they can't afford it. We've said it loads, if you're a Dale fan and can, there's little reason not to. Especially now there's a guaranteed maximum price that is excellent value for money. (Less that £11 a game. Would most supporters pay that on the gate every week?)
re. The Hill situation: hopefully it'll encourage supporters who aren't 100% on board with the ST initiative to think "well the club and manager are making significant moves to ensure the team moves forward so if they're doing that I'll chuck my 50 quid in". From there the momentum may start again in terms of lapsed/semi-regular/general football fans becoming interested in a reinvigorated scheme.
Do I think the club should do another price drop to attract the groups mentioned above? Yes.
Do I think they should be increasing the promotion and interest around sales numbers and creative ways to increase them? Yes. And maybe there are plans in place.
We can only try to assist and offer constructive criticism and solutions around that though. [Post edited 20 May 2017 14:35]
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It's got nothing to do with being able to afford it 442,I can easily afford it as can several others I know,however personally i wont potentially throw away £50 until there's a certain set price,there's no value for me paying £250 for a season ticket taking into account the games I won't be attending.
The fans who are still unsure won't be the ones likely to attend EVERY home game either, so the £11 a game you mention then suddenly becomes much higher,again diluting the offer at the current top price.
There's one thing for certain and that's the club isn't shifting anywhere near enough STs in its current sales format whichever way they decide to shift the goals to make a significant difference,the only way to change that is a massive reduction in the final set price,taking the element of doubt out of any decision. | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 15:18 - May 20 with 1737 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 15:04 - May 20 by nordenblue |
It's got nothing to do with being able to afford it 442,I can easily afford it as can several others I know,however personally i wont potentially throw away £50 until there's a certain set price,there's no value for me paying £250 for a season ticket taking into account the games I won't be attending.
The fans who are still unsure won't be the ones likely to attend EVERY home game either, so the £11 a game you mention then suddenly becomes much higher,again diluting the offer at the current top price.
There's one thing for certain and that's the club isn't shifting anywhere near enough STs in its current sales format whichever way they decide to shift the goals to make a significant difference,the only way to change that is a massive reduction in the final set price,taking the element of doubt out of any decision. |
It's up to individuals and I won't comment on someone's own choices only that it's an opinion that the whole initiative is based around momentum and people supporting it to benefit others and the club. That's why it's great to see local businesses getting involved and individuals buying them for community groups etc.
Improvements could be made to ensure that momentum is increased, but whatever happens it relies on people going along and sticking their money down.
Hoping something will change this week and it'll start moving again, especially in terms of detailed info around how sales are going and what plans are in the pipeline. The ticket office opening on Saturdays from now on would be a start, even if it's just a couple of hours in the morning. | |
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