| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread 21:41 - Mar 20 with 141795 views | 442Dale |
We have 87 days for people to get their £50 deposits in to determine the price of the 2017/18 Season Tickets.
Average amount of daily sales required by 21st June to hit the targets:
2000 (£250): 23
2500 (£200): 29
3000 (£150): 35
4000 (£110): 46
Keeping a track of this really helped ramp up the interest when Hartlepool fans did it, so hopefully it'll have a similar effect. Debate the numbers here over the next week, then we can add the figures once sales commence. |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:54 - May 25 with 2315 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:07 - May 25 by DaleiLama |
Tbh, the clarity or otherwise of the offer and trying to resolve that in an individual instance is just background noise. The big picture is the true concern. 1600ish STs sold. That's the problem that needs fixing and that's where the focus should be. Going to stop banging my head against this brick wall now though, I'm starting to get a headache. [Post edited 25 May 2017 13:09]
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Good post. Address the current issue. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:05 - May 25 with 2307 views | Toffeemanc |
Season ticket deposits have almost come to a stop it seems.
When the scheme was announced I thought increasing the attendances was a certainty and we would easily sell around 2800. I never expected us to get anywhere near the 4000 target and would have been very pleasantly surprised had we managed to hit 3000.
Now the situation seems stagnant and as though all interest and momentum has been lost. We hit the 1500 mark on 10th May, and the latest tweet this morning shows as around 1600. So I am guessing we haven't actually hit 1600 yet meaning we have sold less than 100 in the last 14/15 days. I am actually very concerned now that we won't even manage to hit the 2000 mark which frankly is appalling.
Personally I think even at £250 the price is good value and will be saving me around £100 on what I paid last year. It's also the same amount I paid for the same seat for the 2009-2010 season!
You would hope people are just waiting to get paid this week and there will then be a surge in purchases towards the 2000 mark? Then again seeing as the ticket office will likely be closed from 5:00pm on Friday until 9:00am Tuesday I can't see it happening personally.
Seeing the lack of interest in the clubs offer from the general public of Rochdale is frankly depressing. Heaven only knows how Hilly and the players see the situation. [Post edited 25 May 2017 14:09]
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:16 - May 25 with 2287 views | MoonyDale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:05 - May 25 by Toffeemanc |
Season ticket deposits have almost come to a stop it seems.
When the scheme was announced I thought increasing the attendances was a certainty and we would easily sell around 2800. I never expected us to get anywhere near the 4000 target and would have been very pleasantly surprised had we managed to hit 3000.
Now the situation seems stagnant and as though all interest and momentum has been lost. We hit the 1500 mark on 10th May, and the latest tweet this morning shows as around 1600. So I am guessing we haven't actually hit 1600 yet meaning we have sold less than 100 in the last 14/15 days. I am actually very concerned now that we won't even manage to hit the 2000 mark which frankly is appalling.
Personally I think even at £250 the price is good value and will be saving me around £100 on what I paid last year. It's also the same amount I paid for the same seat for the 2009-2010 season!
You would hope people are just waiting to get paid this week and there will then be a surge in purchases towards the 2000 mark? Then again seeing as the ticket office will likely be closed from 5:00pm on Friday until 9:00am Tuesday I can't see it happening personally.
Seeing the lack of interest in the clubs offer from the general public of Rochdale is frankly depressing. Heaven only knows how Hilly and the players see the situation. [Post edited 25 May 2017 14:09]
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Was chatting to a taxi driving mate this morning and his exact words were" if the season tickets were £110 I'd have one bought the end of today, but no way would I risk losing £50 on them staying at £200 because at that price I'd not buy one" And there's the problem, there will be many like him who think exactly the same.....It's a half arsed way of trying to entice new or lapsed fans back up to the COA..... |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:49 - May 25 with 2253 views | nordenblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 14:16 - May 25 by MoonyDale |
Was chatting to a taxi driving mate this morning and his exact words were" if the season tickets were £110 I'd have one bought the end of today, but no way would I risk losing £50 on them staying at £200 because at that price I'd not buy one" And there's the problem, there will be many like him who think exactly the same.....It's a half arsed way of trying to entice new or lapsed fans back up to the COA..... |
I can't tell you how many people ive spoke to of exactly the same opinion,combine confusing selling tactics with vague prices equals potential fans not bothering.... |  | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 15:10 - May 25 with 2234 views | DaleiLama |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:50 - May 25 by dingdangblue |
It is a problem though if the missing hundreds of fans yet to buy think that the price after June 21st will be set depending on how many we sell. It won't! It will be just that price to those who've paid deposits.
I think the club need to make a statement of some sort saying that you've. less than a month to get your discounted season ticket. |
I don't disagree with you ddb - there is probably a problem which needs fixing there - but even if this has happened to every one of the missing 400 (which seems a massive stretch - I am sure there are some folk holding out for cashflow reasons) it still only represents an order of magnitude less than the number we sought to attract. The deadline confusion is a problem, not the problem. If you take away the problem, the deadline confusion ceases to be a problem |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 15:43 - May 25 with 2190 views | meeee |
Something that happened last week that I thought would be worth mentioning on this thread. My mate who used to be a season ticket holder at Sheffield United about 8 seasons ago but hasn't bothered since saw the offer and sent us a text saying that he thinks 110 quid is a bargin for a season ticket, and that he was going to buy one but just go to the night games as he works on a weekend. Once I explained to him the actual offer he said that he wasn't going to bother and to let him know if the season ticket drops to 110 quid. Can't help but think that maybe the club should've just made them 110 quid to start with but hindsight is a wonderful thing [Post edited 25 May 2017 17:14]
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 16:36 - May 25 with 2122 views | DannyG_RAFC |
I cant help but think we need to sell at least 2300 to breakeven on last years full season tickets, would this be correct ?? |  | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:01 - May 25 with 2099 views | 442Dale |
For what seems like the 418th time in recent days, it needs emphasising we know the problems that have occurred, but that's gone. The biggest issue has been the inability to get those who the club want to buy a ST think about the benefits to the entire potential fanbase rather than the implications to themselves as individuals, something that was touched upon right at the start. What happens next is more important, that sense of making people play their part has been missed somewhat, can this be rectified?
Keeping it simple:
Season tickets are currently £250 which is an excellent price to watch Dale and a massive saving on last year.
Paying £50 will raise numbers towards the next target which will see that price reduce to £200.
Do the club need to do more? Yes.
Do Dale fans need to support this right now if they can? Yes. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:21 - May 25 with 2072 views | DaleiLama |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:01 - May 25 by 442Dale |
For what seems like the 418th time in recent days, it needs emphasising we know the problems that have occurred, but that's gone. The biggest issue has been the inability to get those who the club want to buy a ST think about the benefits to the entire potential fanbase rather than the implications to themselves as individuals, something that was touched upon right at the start. What happens next is more important, that sense of making people play their part has been missed somewhat, can this be rectified?
Keeping it simple:
Season tickets are currently £250 which is an excellent price to watch Dale and a massive saving on last year.
Paying £50 will raise numbers towards the next target which will see that price reduce to £200.
Do the club need to do more? Yes.
Do Dale fans need to support this right now if they can? Yes. |
I admire your dogged determination to the cause 442. I really do.
I and ~1600 people agree that £250 is a good price to watch Dale.
So what do we now do about the folk who don't and how do we sell >4k in 27 days? | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:39 - May 25 with 2057 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:21 - May 25 by DaleiLama |
I admire your dogged determination to the cause 442. I really do.
I and ~1600 people agree that £250 is a good price to watch Dale.
So what do we now do about the folk who don't and how do we sell >4k in 27 days? |
And that's where we are at. The club have to do something and some supporters - people like BobbyJoe's pal - need to do the same.
The former may have to move to make the latter think more about the initiative and the benefits to all.
As an aside number two: my lad (he liked the 221 moniker!) gave leaflets out about the u11 ST to his pals in his class today and showed them all what they get in the Junior Dale bag. Both he and my daughter have confirmed the school have not issued leaflets en masse so far, this is despite the following article saying they'd be going out this week. They've finished for half term now.
http://mobile.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/junior-season-ticket-junior | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:44 - May 25 with 2049 views | DaleiLama |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:39 - May 25 by 442Dale |
And that's where we are at. The club have to do something and some supporters - people like BobbyJoe's pal - need to do the same.
The former may have to move to make the latter think more about the initiative and the benefits to all.
As an aside number two: my lad (he liked the 221 moniker!) gave leaflets out about the u11 ST to his pals in his class today and showed them all what they get in the Junior Dale bag. Both he and my daughter have confirmed the school have not issued leaflets en masse so far, this is despite the following article saying they'd be going out this week. They've finished for half term now.
http://mobile.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/junior-season-ticket-junior |
221 ought to get a free u11 ST. Sounds like he's doing as much if not more than the club?
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:47 - May 25 with 2042 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:44 - May 25 by DaleiLama |
221 ought to get a free u11 ST. Sounds like he's doing as much if not more than the club?
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He's paid his tenner to raise the numbers, as has his sister who has only ever been to one game so far. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:47 - May 25 with 2042 views | boromat |
Even if tickets were priced at £110 from the start I doubt we would have sold 4000 and we definitely will have not made enough money from it.
The trick to this type of deal is getting the target points right in order to keep the momentum going. 2000 as the first target was too high which was highlighted when they gave it at an earlier break point but then they didn't reduce the other target points so the gap to the next one was too high.
At the end of the day the club still need to make money and I understand why they can't go and risk selling tickets at £110 from day one. Next year I'd like to see a fair differentiated season ticket price plan that includes everyone.
Let's see something like the following;
£150 season tickets for the Sandy.
£150 season tickets for the Away stand with the understanding that you are moved to another stand for away sellout matches.
£250 season tickets for the main
£200 season tickets for the pearl street
£300 family stand tickets (2 adults and as many kids as you want)
U11s free in family stand, £20 anywhere else
U18s £40 in family stand, £75 anywhere else
Students and U23s £100 anywhere | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 21:08 - May 25 with 1892 views | Bobbyjoe |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 17:01 - May 25 by 442Dale |
For what seems like the 418th time in recent days, it needs emphasising we know the problems that have occurred, but that's gone. The biggest issue has been the inability to get those who the club want to buy a ST think about the benefits to the entire potential fanbase rather than the implications to themselves as individuals, something that was touched upon right at the start. What happens next is more important, that sense of making people play their part has been missed somewhat, can this be rectified?
Keeping it simple:
Season tickets are currently £250 which is an excellent price to watch Dale and a massive saving on last year.
Paying £50 will raise numbers towards the next target which will see that price reduce to £200.
Do the club need to do more? Yes.
Do Dale fans need to support this right now if they can? Yes. |
442, you seem like a really nice person, who believes that there are 2,000+ equally nice people out there who are going to act for the common good, rather than their own self-interest. Rochdale AFC is a commercial enterprise, essentially no different to any other. I believe there are 4,000 potential customers out there, who will snap up a bargain. It's purely and simply a question of cost. People who have never, would never, buy a season- ticket, will buy one if the price is ridiculously cheap. The real issue for me is whether the club or its core of passionate supporters really wants 2,000 semi- detached bargain- hunters masquerading as Dale fans alongside them! | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 21:27 - May 25 with 1866 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 21:08 - May 25 by Bobbyjoe |
442, you seem like a really nice person, who believes that there are 2,000+ equally nice people out there who are going to act for the common good, rather than their own self-interest. Rochdale AFC is a commercial enterprise, essentially no different to any other. I believe there are 4,000 potential customers out there, who will snap up a bargain. It's purely and simply a question of cost. People who have never, would never, buy a season- ticket, will buy one if the price is ridiculously cheap. The real issue for me is whether the club or its core of passionate supporters really wants 2,000 semi- detached bargain- hunters masquerading as Dale fans alongside them! |
I'm neither nice nor naive. I believe nothing more that a fan who wants to support their football club/fellow fans/potential newcomers could do so by paying a deposit if they are financially able to.
<<"People who have never, would never, buy a season- ticket, will buy one if the price is ridiculously cheap">>
We agree, and the rights and wrongs of how that is achieved have been debated throughout. As it stands ST are cheap at £250, for them to begin to reach "ridiculously cheap" levels it would require those fans who could and haven't paid a deposit to at least support the initiative by doing so.
I'll be nice now though... have you been round to your neighbour yet to say that he should renew his ST by June to ensure he doesn't pay last year's price?
If you haven't already, remind him he'll be paying the equivalent of £10.87 per game (£250 ST), and that if he puts his deposit down it moves him and others closer towards paying £8.70 per game (£200 ST).
Let us know what happens. [Post edited 25 May 2017 21:28]
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 21:35 - May 25 with 1848 views | TVOS1907 |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 21:08 - May 25 by Bobbyjoe |
442, you seem like a really nice person, who believes that there are 2,000+ equally nice people out there who are going to act for the common good, rather than their own self-interest. Rochdale AFC is a commercial enterprise, essentially no different to any other. I believe there are 4,000 potential customers out there, who will snap up a bargain. It's purely and simply a question of cost. People who have never, would never, buy a season- ticket, will buy one if the price is ridiculously cheap. The real issue for me is whether the club or its core of passionate supporters really wants 2,000 semi- detached bargain- hunters masquerading as Dale fans alongside them! |
You've made that last point several times before.
It's still nonsense and has no evidence to back it up. |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:40 - May 25 with 1777 views | Bobbyjoe |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 21:35 - May 25 by TVOS1907 |
You've made that last point several times before.
It's still nonsense and has no evidence to back it up. |
It's a legitimate question; I wasn't being flippant. | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:44 - May 25 with 1763 views | DaleiLama |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:40 - May 25 by Bobbyjoe |
It's a legitimate question; I wasn't being flippant. |
There wouldn't be an offer of any sort on the table if the answer wasn't yes, of course they do. The execution is the problem, not the intention. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:45 - May 25 with 1757 views | TVOS1907 |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:40 - May 25 by Bobbyjoe |
It's a legitimate question; I wasn't being flippant. |
It wasn't a question; it was a statement you've opined before. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:52 - May 25 with 1738 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:40 - May 25 by Bobbyjoe |
It's a legitimate question; I wasn't being flippant. |
So was mine, how did the neighbour respond to the clarification provided? | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 23:19 - May 25 with 1707 views | Bobbyjoe |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:45 - May 25 by TVOS1907 |
It wasn't a question; it was a statement you've opined before. |
Insofar as you could scarcely dream up a scheme less likely to achieve its stated aims, it's legitimate to question the motives behind it. Damage limitation, after alienating many ST holders last year? It just seems to me it's typical Dale: a million miles better than how things were done in the past, but not quite having the ambition to break the shackles. I genuinely believe 4,000 was attainable. Perhaps it still will be. I hope it does. | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 23:45 - May 25 with 1680 views | dingdangblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 21:08 - May 25 by Bobbyjoe |
442, you seem like a really nice person, who believes that there are 2,000+ equally nice people out there who are going to act for the common good, rather than their own self-interest. Rochdale AFC is a commercial enterprise, essentially no different to any other. I believe there are 4,000 potential customers out there, who will snap up a bargain. It's purely and simply a question of cost. People who have never, would never, buy a season- ticket, will buy one if the price is ridiculously cheap. The real issue for me is whether the club or its core of passionate supporters really wants 2,000 semi- detached bargain- hunters masquerading as Dale fans alongside them! |
Isn't £8.70 per game ridiculously cheap? (£200 / 23 games) |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 00:00 - May 26 with 1662 views | D_Alien |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 23:19 - May 25 by Bobbyjoe |
Insofar as you could scarcely dream up a scheme less likely to achieve its stated aims, it's legitimate to question the motives behind it. Damage limitation, after alienating many ST holders last year? It just seems to me it's typical Dale: a million miles better than how things were done in the past, but not quite having the ambition to break the shackles. I genuinely believe 4,000 was attainable. Perhaps it still will be. I hope it does. |
"Insofar as you could scarcely dream up a scheme less likely to achieve its stated aims..."
It was dreamt up and achieved its stated aims in Hartlepool |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 07:26 - May 26 with 1588 views | TVOS1907 |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 23:19 - May 25 by Bobbyjoe |
Insofar as you could scarcely dream up a scheme less likely to achieve its stated aims, it's legitimate to question the motives behind it. Damage limitation, after alienating many ST holders last year? It just seems to me it's typical Dale: a million miles better than how things were done in the past, but not quite having the ambition to break the shackles. I genuinely believe 4,000 was attainable. Perhaps it still will be. I hope it does. |
You're avoiding the point, that being your bizarre opinion that the fans who currently go don't want any more fans there.
You've offered that opinion long before the current scheme was ever thought up. It had no basis then and has even less now, particularly given the strong views expressed on here by most posters.
Like dingdangblue says, at £200 for a season ticket, it's £8.70 per game. For League One football. In 2017/18. To watch Keith Hill's excellent team play excellent football.
Christ, we had to pay more than that to watch Simpson's mob 15 years ago!
Edit: regarding the 'ambition' comment... I think we've just given our best ever manager a five year contract... [Post edited 26 May 2017 7:28]
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 09:20 - May 26 with 1520 views | DaleiLama |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 23:45 - May 25 by dingdangblue |
Isn't £8.70 per game ridiculously cheap? (£200 / 23 games) |
It's fantastic value for anyone who can go to all or most games.
And so far, nearly 1600 have signed up to the offer. Just need another 200 to get to where we were (1800) last season now. | |
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