| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard 12:37 - Jun 5 with 8250 views | off2div1 |
As an exile I was wondering who will win the vote on Thursday. Will Lloyd Labour get in. Has Danczuh got a good following even though he's got bad image for an MP or will tories get in due to the split of Labour voter's. |  | | |  |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:18 - Jun 5 with 3938 views | D_Dale |
Maybe there's a bit of wishful thinking involved, but I think Danczuk is a busted flush in Rochdale and could finish in fifth place.
Were there a prediction league, I'd go for:
Lloyd (Lab) 15k
Howard (Con) 9k
Kelly (LibDem) 8k
Baksa (Ukip) 7k
Danczuk 5k
Littlewood (HV) 1k |  | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:34 - Jun 5 with 3893 views | mingthemerciless |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:18 - Jun 5 by D_Dale |
Maybe there's a bit of wishful thinking involved, but I think Danczuk is a busted flush in Rochdale and could finish in fifth place.
Were there a prediction league, I'd go for:
Lloyd (Lab) 15k
Howard (Con) 9k
Kelly (LibDem) 8k
Baksa (Ukip) 7k
Danczuk 5k
Littlewood (HV) 1k |
I can't see beyond Tony Lloyd winning in Rochdale. I'd be surprised if Danczuk got as may as 5,000 votes. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:36 - Jun 5 with 3884 views | mingthemerciless |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:18 - Jun 5 by D_Dale |
Maybe there's a bit of wishful thinking involved, but I think Danczuk is a busted flush in Rochdale and could finish in fifth place.
Were there a prediction league, I'd go for:
Lloyd (Lab) 15k
Howard (Con) 9k
Kelly (LibDem) 8k
Baksa (Ukip) 7k
Danczuk 5k
Littlewood (HV) 1k |
I'd be surprised if UKIP got as may as 7,000 votes also. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 13:38]
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:41 - Jun 5 with 3864 views | D_Alien |
I don't support the LibDems by any stretch of the imagination, but I'd like to see Andy Kelly win, I reckon he'd make a cracking MP. Got to know him during the Co-op venture a couple of years ago, and he came across as pretty genuine
Unfortunately, I think we'll get the "helicoptered in" Tony Lloyd who'll use Westminster to further his own ambitions |  |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:43 - Jun 5 with 3854 views | SuddenLad |
Danczuk is a busted flush. He's finished. Hopefully, this election will signal the end of his tawdry political career. We need rid of him. Sexual allegations, allegations of fraudulent expense claims, suspension from the Labour Party. How can he ever be effective as an Independent MP ?
Tony Lloyd is currently a redundant ex-Manchester MP who has been 'parachuted' into this constituency, but probably has no REAL interest in Rochdale at all, apart from nominally becoming our MP and extending his Westminster stay. He could just as easily represent any other perceived 'safe' Labour constituency. The actual town of Rochdale is very much of secondary consideration.
The UKIP candidate I have never heard of and know nothing about. That said, she will make little impact. What are UKIP for ayway, now that we have voted to leave the EU ?
Andy Littlewood is a local lad, lives on Falinge, has his finger on the pulse in his locality and has the town at heart. He is a good local campaigner. That said, he is not a real candidate for MP.
Jane Howard is a local lass. She lives here, works here and raised her family here. She knows the town, knows what it needs and can identify with the people of the constituency seeks to represent. ...........
............Ditto Andy Kelly. A local bloke.
We haven't had a Conservative MP here since 1959 when Wentworth Schofield was our MP. Jane Howard has a realistic chance of succeeding given the disarray in the Labour Party camp and the contempt in which people hold Danczuk/Corbyn .
For me. it's going to be a fight between LibDems and Conservatives, as both are genuinely local, have a real affinity and strong personal connection with the town and actually seem to CARE about our future.
May the best candidate win.........and hopefully restore the good name of this proud town and its' people. |  |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:07 - Jun 5 with 3793 views | off2div1 |
Was Sarah Rowbotham on short list for Labour.Would have been a good choice for me, as an outsider. How does she come across in Rochdale. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:10 - Jun 5 with 3775 views | SuddenLad |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:07 - Jun 5 by off2div1 |
Was Sarah Rowbotham on short list for Labour.Would have been a good choice for me, as an outsider. How does she come across in Rochdale. |
Never heard of her until the BBC showed 'that' programme. Hasn't been on the local radar before that. | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:18 - Jun 5 with 3748 views | _dezzy |
Surely the Tories wont get that many, We are not a torie town, |  |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:22 - Jun 5 with 3738 views | SuddenLad |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:18 - Jun 5 by _dezzy |
Surely the Tories wont get that many, We are not a torie town, |
We were FREQUENTLY a Tory town but not since Jack McCann was elected as our MP in the late 1950's. He was followed by Cyril Smith and a series of Liberal/LibDems, until Danczuk snatched it.
The demographic has changed radically in the intervening years but nothing is impossible. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 15:09]
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:35 - Jun 5 with 3699 views | 100notout |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:43 - Jun 5 by SuddenLad |
Danczuk is a busted flush. He's finished. Hopefully, this election will signal the end of his tawdry political career. We need rid of him. Sexual allegations, allegations of fraudulent expense claims, suspension from the Labour Party. How can he ever be effective as an Independent MP ?
Tony Lloyd is currently a redundant ex-Manchester MP who has been 'parachuted' into this constituency, but probably has no REAL interest in Rochdale at all, apart from nominally becoming our MP and extending his Westminster stay. He could just as easily represent any other perceived 'safe' Labour constituency. The actual town of Rochdale is very much of secondary consideration.
The UKIP candidate I have never heard of and know nothing about. That said, she will make little impact. What are UKIP for ayway, now that we have voted to leave the EU ?
Andy Littlewood is a local lad, lives on Falinge, has his finger on the pulse in his locality and has the town at heart. He is a good local campaigner. That said, he is not a real candidate for MP.
Jane Howard is a local lass. She lives here, works here and raised her family here. She knows the town, knows what it needs and can identify with the people of the constituency seeks to represent. ...........
............Ditto Andy Kelly. A local bloke.
We haven't had a Conservative MP here since 1959 when Wentworth Schofield was our MP. Jane Howard has a realistic chance of succeeding given the disarray in the Labour Party camp and the contempt in which people hold Danczuk/Corbyn .
For me. it's going to be a fight between LibDems and Conservatives, as both are genuinely local, have a real affinity and strong personal connection with the town and actually seem to CARE about our future.
May the best candidate win.........and hopefully restore the good name of this proud town and its' people. |
Great OP and thanks for the comments SL - a good insight.
Do you know anything about the Heywood & Middleton candidates ? Would welcome a similar commentary from someone in the know | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:39 - Jun 5 with 3550 views | roccydaleian |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:43 - Jun 5 by SuddenLad |
Danczuk is a busted flush. He's finished. Hopefully, this election will signal the end of his tawdry political career. We need rid of him. Sexual allegations, allegations of fraudulent expense claims, suspension from the Labour Party. How can he ever be effective as an Independent MP ?
Tony Lloyd is currently a redundant ex-Manchester MP who has been 'parachuted' into this constituency, but probably has no REAL interest in Rochdale at all, apart from nominally becoming our MP and extending his Westminster stay. He could just as easily represent any other perceived 'safe' Labour constituency. The actual town of Rochdale is very much of secondary consideration.
The UKIP candidate I have never heard of and know nothing about. That said, she will make little impact. What are UKIP for ayway, now that we have voted to leave the EU ?
Andy Littlewood is a local lad, lives on Falinge, has his finger on the pulse in his locality and has the town at heart. He is a good local campaigner. That said, he is not a real candidate for MP.
Jane Howard is a local lass. She lives here, works here and raised her family here. She knows the town, knows what it needs and can identify with the people of the constituency seeks to represent. ...........
............Ditto Andy Kelly. A local bloke.
We haven't had a Conservative MP here since 1959 when Wentworth Schofield was our MP. Jane Howard has a realistic chance of succeeding given the disarray in the Labour Party camp and the contempt in which people hold Danczuk/Corbyn .
For me. it's going to be a fight between LibDems and Conservatives, as both are genuinely local, have a real affinity and strong personal connection with the town and actually seem to CARE about our future.
May the best candidate win.........and hopefully restore the good name of this proud town and its' people. |
Great post SL. I've known AK for years since he was a barman at the Entwistle Arms, he's a cracking hard working lad, but I couldn't vote lid-dems as I don't like their policies and Farron is bonkers, and I don't believe in tactical voting. I think AK will get it as I don't think the Tories have a cat in hells chance in Rochdale the way the boundaries are split. |  | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:52 - Jun 5 with 3515 views | mingthemerciless |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:22 - Jun 5 by SuddenLad |
We were FREQUENTLY a Tory town but not since Jack McCann was elected as our MP in the late 1950's. He was followed by Cyril Smith and a series of Liberal/LibDems, until Danczuk snatched it.
The demographic has changed radically in the intervening years but nothing is impossible. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 15:09]
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Err, I seem to remember somebody called Lorna Fitzsimmons representing the town ( or more accurately representing Lorna Fitzsimmons ) for a good few years not that long ago.
Do you think you can recall which party she was a member of ? | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:54 - Jun 5 with 3505 views | tony_roch975 |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:52 - Jun 5 by mingthemerciless |
Err, I seem to remember somebody called Lorna Fitzsimmons representing the town ( or more accurately representing Lorna Fitzsimmons ) for a good few years not that long ago.
Do you think you can recall which party she was a member of ? |
wasn't she a Blurrite? | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:58 - Jun 5 with 3491 views | roccydaleian |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:54 - Jun 5 by tony_roch975 |
wasn't she a Blurrite? |
Correct. One of the Blair Babes.. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 17:05 - Jun 5 with 3475 views | SuddenLad |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:52 - Jun 5 by mingthemerciless |
Err, I seem to remember somebody called Lorna Fitzsimmons representing the town ( or more accurately representing Lorna Fitzsimmons ) for a good few years not that long ago.
Do you think you can recall which party she was a member of ? |
Instantly forgettable. The highlight and twilight of her political career................... | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 18:11 - Jun 5 with 3369 views | mingthemerciless |
A complete careerist. Then you wonder why people on the left of the Labour Party dislike Blair and all his gang. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 19:45 - Jun 5 with 3259 views | D_Dale |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 17:05 - Jun 5 by SuddenLad |
Instantly forgettable. The highlight and twilight of her political career................... |
True. She had a small part in what now seems a distant past, yet she is not yet 50 (and over 17 years younger than the current Labour candidate Tony Lloyd).
Born in Littleborough and at school in Wardle, there could be a few readers of this forum who were her contemporaries. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 19:48 - Jun 5 with 3248 views | D_Dale |
"A complete careerist. Then you wonder why people on the left of the Labour Party dislike Blair and all his gang."
Yet oddly enough, from 2001 until he resigned as Foreign Secretary in opposition to the Iraq war in 2003, she was parliamentary private secretary to Robin Cook. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 19:52]
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 22:11 - Jun 5 with 3135 views | mingthemerciless |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 19:48 - Jun 5 by D_Dale |
"A complete careerist. Then you wonder why people on the left of the Labour Party dislike Blair and all his gang."
Yet oddly enough, from 2001 until he resigned as Foreign Secretary in opposition to the Iraq war in 2003, she was parliamentary private secretary to Robin Cook. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 19:52]
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Amazing, you'd think Cook would have had more sense.
Mrs Merciless went to the hustings tonight. Her view. Tony Lloyd head and shoulder above the rest. The Tory woman was a disaster. Danczuk and Kelly spent the evening bickering with each other. UKIP guy a real knuckle dragger. The homeless guy had lots of good ideas, needs to join a party though. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 22:58]
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 22:31 - Jun 5 with 3091 views | 1mark1 |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 22:11 - Jun 5 by mingthemerciless |
Amazing, you'd think Cook would have had more sense.
Mrs Merciless went to the hustings tonight. Her view. Tony Lloyd head and shoulder above the rest. The Tory woman was a disaster. Danczuk and Kelly spent the evening bickering with each other. UKIP guy a real knuckle dragger. The homeless guy had lots of good ideas, needs to join a party though. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 22:58]
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That's how I saw the hustings too. Andy Littlewood would make an excellent local Councillor. |  |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 22:39 - Jun 5 with 3080 views | SuddenLad |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 22:31 - Jun 5 by 1mark1 |
That's how I saw the hustings too. Andy Littlewood would make an excellent local Councillor. |
I like Andy Littlewood for his enthusiasm and passion about local issues. As you say, he would be an excellent Councillor, but is always swamped by the major party candidates. | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 07:25 - Jun 6 with 2932 views | DaleFan7 |
Can't see anything other than an easy win for Labour in Rochdale, unfortunately. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 11:08 - Jun 6 with 2786 views | roccydaleian |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 07:25 - Jun 6 by DaleFan7 |
Can't see anything other than an easy win for Labour in Rochdale, unfortunately. |
Don't think it'll be an easy win. AK seems very popular with the Labour voters I know and have said they won't vote Labour while Corbyn's the leader and still pissed off with the grooming scandal. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:18 - Jun 6 with 2694 views | 49thseason |
The $64,000 question is this. Would Andy Kelly support Brexit which the majority of Rochdale referendum voters wanted or will he side with his party leader Minor Fart (anag) and seek to join with others to try and force another referendum?
Tony Lloyd has been a professional Labour politician for donkey's years without ever getting his hands dirty doing a proper job. He has managed to earn a very respectable sum from the public purse all his life, I am struggling to find a reason why the people of Rochdale should allow him to continue pulling in over £70k a year in salary and the better part of £200k in expenses at the age of 67 when most people he purports to represent are drawing a measly pension at that age having worked their spheres off for over 40 years.
I have met Jane Howard a few times, she seems a perfectly nice person.
Rochdale badly needs a renegade, someone who will put town first before party dogma, I am not sure if there is one amongst the current crop of candidates.
It's a shame that the party system has such a stranglehold on elections, we could do with a really good independent who could wheel and deal for Rochdale with whoever forms a government. |  | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:27 - Jun 6 with 2678 views | DaleFan7 |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:18 - Jun 6 by 49thseason |
The $64,000 question is this. Would Andy Kelly support Brexit which the majority of Rochdale referendum voters wanted or will he side with his party leader Minor Fart (anag) and seek to join with others to try and force another referendum?
Tony Lloyd has been a professional Labour politician for donkey's years without ever getting his hands dirty doing a proper job. He has managed to earn a very respectable sum from the public purse all his life, I am struggling to find a reason why the people of Rochdale should allow him to continue pulling in over £70k a year in salary and the better part of £200k in expenses at the age of 67 when most people he purports to represent are drawing a measly pension at that age having worked their spheres off for over 40 years.
I have met Jane Howard a few times, she seems a perfectly nice person.
Rochdale badly needs a renegade, someone who will put town first before party dogma, I am not sure if there is one amongst the current crop of candidates.
It's a shame that the party system has such a stranglehold on elections, we could do with a really good independent who could wheel and deal for Rochdale with whoever forms a government. |
I agree, I don't believe ultimately that any of the candidates would put the interest of the town, when push comes to shove, over the overarching themes coming out of Westminster. | | | |
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