| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard 12:37 - Jun 5 with 8267 views | off2div1 |
As an exile I was wondering who will win the vote on Thursday. Will Lloyd Labour get in. Has Danczuh got a good following even though he's got bad image for an MP or will tories get in due to the split of Labour voter's. |  | | |  |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:44 - Jun 6 with 1885 views | mingthemerciless |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:18 - Jun 6 by 49thseason |
The $64,000 question is this. Would Andy Kelly support Brexit which the majority of Rochdale referendum voters wanted or will he side with his party leader Minor Fart (anag) and seek to join with others to try and force another referendum?
Tony Lloyd has been a professional Labour politician for donkey's years without ever getting his hands dirty doing a proper job. He has managed to earn a very respectable sum from the public purse all his life, I am struggling to find a reason why the people of Rochdale should allow him to continue pulling in over £70k a year in salary and the better part of £200k in expenses at the age of 67 when most people he purports to represent are drawing a measly pension at that age having worked their spheres off for over 40 years.
I have met Jane Howard a few times, she seems a perfectly nice person.
Rochdale badly needs a renegade, someone who will put town first before party dogma, I am not sure if there is one amongst the current crop of candidates.
It's a shame that the party system has such a stranglehold on elections, we could do with a really good independent who could wheel and deal for Rochdale with whoever forms a government. |
If you want a renegade you could vote for Danczuk. " She seems a perfectly nice woman " . We're talking about electing an MP not the ladies captain at a golf club. |  | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:02 - Jun 6 with 1812 views | 1mark1 |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 11:08 - Jun 6 by roccydaleian |
Don't think it'll be an easy win. AK seems very popular with the Labour voters I know and have said they won't vote Labour while Corbyn's the leader and still pissed off with the grooming scandal. |
It's a strange one though with the grooming scandal. The period in which the dreaded abuse was happening, leading to the convictions, the Lib Dems were in charge of the Council, and had the town's MP. Before that there was a Lib/Tory coalition. Labour hadn't been in charge of the Council since 2003. Can't really see why Labour would be blamed for it. The enquiries into the affair, have shown it was police failings, as well as Social Workers dealing with the victims terribly, and failures of Council Officers of the time. |  |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:27 - Jun 6 with 1792 views | 49thseason |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:44 - Jun 6 by mingthemerciless |
If you want a renegade you could vote for Danczuk. " She seems a perfectly nice woman " . We're talking about electing an MP not the ladies captain at a golf club. |
It was an attempt to damn with faint praise...too subtle clearly |  | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 17:17 - Jun 6 with 1750 views | mingthemerciless |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:27 - Jun 6 by 49thseason |
It was an attempt to damn with faint praise...too subtle clearly |
I got the damning with faint praise clearly enough. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 10:42 - Jun 7 with 1538 views | SuddenLad |
Contrary to the claims in that article, I have yet to have a single brochure, leaflet, pamphlet or any other kind of election literature delivered from the Lloyd camp. Not that I'm bothered particularly, but living in a staunchly Labour area of town, you'd think that they would be active in seeking to secure the vote.
I have had a variety of literature from all the other parties (for some reason there is no Green candidate and where is Mohammed Salim these days... ?) so at least they are out and about.
As long as Danczuk is not elected, that will be a success as far as I'm concerned. He's an embarrassment. It would be nice to have an MP who knows how this town works, what it needs and someone who actually CARES.
It's unlikely to be Andy Littlewood, so based on that article, if that means a Tory MP, so be it. |  |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 11:22 - Jun 7 with 1505 views | roccydaleian |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 10:42 - Jun 7 by SuddenLad |
Contrary to the claims in that article, I have yet to have a single brochure, leaflet, pamphlet or any other kind of election literature delivered from the Lloyd camp. Not that I'm bothered particularly, but living in a staunchly Labour area of town, you'd think that they would be active in seeking to secure the vote.
I have had a variety of literature from all the other parties (for some reason there is no Green candidate and where is Mohammed Salim these days... ?) so at least they are out and about.
As long as Danczuk is not elected, that will be a success as far as I'm concerned. He's an embarrassment. It would be nice to have an MP who knows how this town works, what it needs and someone who actually CARES.
It's unlikely to be Andy Littlewood, so based on that article, if that means a Tory MP, so be it. |
With it being a staunchly Labour area where you live SL I wonder if they're taking the vote as granted? In Littleborough everyone in our house has had at least one letter personally addressed to us, so they are doing a focused job up here. |  | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 12:06 - Jun 7 with 1464 views | SuddenLad |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 11:22 - Jun 7 by roccydaleian |
With it being a staunchly Labour area where you live SL I wonder if they're taking the vote as granted? In Littleborough everyone in our house has had at least one letter personally addressed to us, so they are doing a focused job up here. |
Taking the vote for granted is the worst strategy of any, but I take your point. I had thought that was probably the case.
Watching the Corbyn 'Tour of Britain' he and his entourage seem to be concentrating on visiting the areas where he is an absolute certainty to get a Labour MP and 'preaching to the converted' so to speak. As I type this, he is speaking at a rally in Runcorn which has a Labour majority of over 20,000. It's a good photo opportunity showing masses of support and of course it's what the media and press will show, but it's hardly 'electioneering' in the real sense. He (anyone) surely needs to concentrate on areas where he is not the natural choice in an effort to change the minds of the electorate.
Wouldn't it make more sense to try and visit 'marginal' constituencies where there is a real opportuity to change the political landscape ?
It's been a fascinating campaign in many ways, but unlike anything I've ever seen previously, but the outcome needs to benefit the country, not any particular leader or Party.
Listening to a TV discussion between two Professors who teach election politics was fascinating. When you strip away all the 'guff and bluff' it seems that the generally accepted and true current picture shows the Tories with a poll lead of between 8 and 10 per cent.
The polls on the popularity of individual leaders is somewhat different, but again when the poll for who will make best Prime Minister (regardless of Party) Mrs. May was ahead by a country mile, but Corbyn is perceived to have had the best campaign.
Let's remember that this is not the 'X' Factor, or Britain's Got Talent and most certainly it isn't a popularity contest. Any one of them could be gone within weeks.
Many commentators believe that the 18-24 age group will treat it as such, because of the proliferation of so-called reality shows, where they are using their votes in such a way on a regular basis. Note the increase of 'boo-ing and whooping' at the recent live TV broadcasts. A modern phenomenon.
The most telling facts relate to Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. In their entire political careers they have had fixed views and have voted acccordingly without varying,
Mr. Corbyn has for 34 years has voted consistently on a variety of issues, but has now apprently 'altered his stance' for the duration of the campaign.
Make of all that what you will....... Sir David Butler, the worlds' leading and most experienced psephologist, who has studied a total of 20 general elections and who was the inventor of the 'swingometer' is of the opinion that it will be a win for Mrs. May and the Tories. However, he won't predict the margin of victory.....
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:08 - Jun 7 with 1416 views | D_Alien |
Good summary SL (won't use 'reply' option) and the one thing that might've confounded a Tory win would be the increased registration to vote among young people, with no memory of the debt-ridden disasters of Labour administrations and - as you say - a more shallow instant-media outlook; although I'm sure that doesn't apply to all of them
There was a good article in the Sunday Times which analysed the increased registrations, and it appears they've occurred in much greater numbers in safe Labour seats than elsewhere, therefore they shouldn't exert undue influence over the result
Don't get me wrong, this isn't so much about young people (we've all been young) but about the changes to mass media. Whilst JC presenting himself as the friend of the police who will "do whatever is necessary to keep us safe " is utterly laughable with just a few minutes research, the soundbites we've been presented with might allow the Facebook generation to take that at face value. Last night's Newsnight - finally - showed his history in that respect, but how many 18-24s watch that?
My conclusion is a Tory victory with a slightly increased majority, in the region of 20 - 40, much less than TM would've wanted to help bolster the Brexit process but perhaps not such a bad thing |  |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:42 - Jun 7 with 1377 views | roccydaleian |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 12:06 - Jun 7 by SuddenLad |
Taking the vote for granted is the worst strategy of any, but I take your point. I had thought that was probably the case.
Watching the Corbyn 'Tour of Britain' he and his entourage seem to be concentrating on visiting the areas where he is an absolute certainty to get a Labour MP and 'preaching to the converted' so to speak. As I type this, he is speaking at a rally in Runcorn which has a Labour majority of over 20,000. It's a good photo opportunity showing masses of support and of course it's what the media and press will show, but it's hardly 'electioneering' in the real sense. He (anyone) surely needs to concentrate on areas where he is not the natural choice in an effort to change the minds of the electorate.
Wouldn't it make more sense to try and visit 'marginal' constituencies where there is a real opportuity to change the political landscape ?
It's been a fascinating campaign in many ways, but unlike anything I've ever seen previously, but the outcome needs to benefit the country, not any particular leader or Party.
Listening to a TV discussion between two Professors who teach election politics was fascinating. When you strip away all the 'guff and bluff' it seems that the generally accepted and true current picture shows the Tories with a poll lead of between 8 and 10 per cent.
The polls on the popularity of individual leaders is somewhat different, but again when the poll for who will make best Prime Minister (regardless of Party) Mrs. May was ahead by a country mile, but Corbyn is perceived to have had the best campaign.
Let's remember that this is not the 'X' Factor, or Britain's Got Talent and most certainly it isn't a popularity contest. Any one of them could be gone within weeks.
Many commentators believe that the 18-24 age group will treat it as such, because of the proliferation of so-called reality shows, where they are using their votes in such a way on a regular basis. Note the increase of 'boo-ing and whooping' at the recent live TV broadcasts. A modern phenomenon.
The most telling facts relate to Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. In their entire political careers they have had fixed views and have voted acccordingly without varying,
Mr. Corbyn has for 34 years has voted consistently on a variety of issues, but has now apprently 'altered his stance' for the duration of the campaign.
Make of all that what you will....... Sir David Butler, the worlds' leading and most experienced psephologist, who has studied a total of 20 general elections and who was the inventor of the 'swingometer' is of the opinion that it will be a win for Mrs. May and the Tories. However, he won't predict the margin of victory.....
Who am I to argue ? |
For those wondering ...... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psephology  [Post edited 7 Jun 2017 13:44]
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:52 - Jun 7 with 1321 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:08 - Jun 7 by D_Alien |
Good summary SL (won't use 'reply' option) and the one thing that might've confounded a Tory win would be the increased registration to vote among young people, with no memory of the debt-ridden disasters of Labour administrations and - as you say - a more shallow instant-media outlook; although I'm sure that doesn't apply to all of them
There was a good article in the Sunday Times which analysed the increased registrations, and it appears they've occurred in much greater numbers in safe Labour seats than elsewhere, therefore they shouldn't exert undue influence over the result
Don't get me wrong, this isn't so much about young people (we've all been young) but about the changes to mass media. Whilst JC presenting himself as the friend of the police who will "do whatever is necessary to keep us safe " is utterly laughable with just a few minutes research, the soundbites we've been presented with might allow the Facebook generation to take that at face value. Last night's Newsnight - finally - showed his history in that respect, but how many 18-24s watch that?
My conclusion is a Tory victory with a slightly increased majority, in the region of 20 - 40, much less than TM would've wanted to help bolster the Brexit process but perhaps not such a bad thing |
She didn't need to call an election, her position with regards brexit doesn't make sense, she has/had a majority and labour voted with the government. At the beginning of this campaign tories wet themselves at the prospect of a landslide, Teresa may's campaign has been dreadful, she has only addressed the faithful, and appears unable to think on her oversized feet. I think the tories will still win, looking at the papers today, with the billionaire owners views , and corbyn smears left right and centre, it is hardly a level playing field is it? As you say many get their news on social media now, so hopefully the negative power of the print and broadcast media is somewhat lessened. Teresa May will be gone v quickly whatever the result is my humble opinion |  |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:03 - Jun 7 with 1307 views | SuddenLad |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:52 - Jun 7 by rochdaleriddler |
She didn't need to call an election, her position with regards brexit doesn't make sense, she has/had a majority and labour voted with the government. At the beginning of this campaign tories wet themselves at the prospect of a landslide, Teresa may's campaign has been dreadful, she has only addressed the faithful, and appears unable to think on her oversized feet. I think the tories will still win, looking at the papers today, with the billionaire owners views , and corbyn smears left right and centre, it is hardly a level playing field is it? As you say many get their news on social media now, so hopefully the negative power of the print and broadcast media is somewhat lessened. Teresa May will be gone v quickly whatever the result is my humble opinion |
I don't think anyone in any of the Political HQ offices were taken in by the polls at the beginning of the campaign, other than that Tories were ahead - as they have been throughout. The polls can tell you what you want, dependent upon location, age and other factors of those polled.
I understand exactly why Mrs. May called an election, because she needed a mandate of her own to deal with matters of permanent, national importance. Having had the Brexit vote, it was necessary for her to get the backing of the country to lead those negotiations as Prime Minister - she took over mid-term - so she needed to be elected in her own right.
There were/are many dissenting voices in Parliament (on all sides) surrounding the Brexit issue and many of them were trying to stifle and disrupt the debate to sabotage what she was trying to do.
Therefore, if she wins the election, she can properly tell them that she has been elected by the country to deal with the issue, nullifying the current claim that she wasn't chosen to do so.
It will also give the electorate an opportunity to state their case for Labour and Jeremy Corbyn. Or not........
If he wins, fair enough, we will enter unknown territory. If he loses, the Labour Party will continue with its' internal civil war and will probably remain out of Government for a generation, such is the disarray.
Roll on Friday............. | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:12 - Jun 7 with 1302 views | D_Alien |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 14:52 - Jun 7 by rochdaleriddler |
She didn't need to call an election, her position with regards brexit doesn't make sense, she has/had a majority and labour voted with the government. At the beginning of this campaign tories wet themselves at the prospect of a landslide, Teresa may's campaign has been dreadful, she has only addressed the faithful, and appears unable to think on her oversized feet. I think the tories will still win, looking at the papers today, with the billionaire owners views , and corbyn smears left right and centre, it is hardly a level playing field is it? As you say many get their news on social media now, so hopefully the negative power of the print and broadcast media is somewhat lessened. Teresa May will be gone v quickly whatever the result is my humble opinion |
TM's campaign has been conducted in largely marginal seats, or even traditional Labour
On the other hand, JC's campaign has been in pretty much safe Labour territory
If you're interested in the effect that can have, see the respective campaigning by Donald Trump & Hillary Clinton. JC knows this as well as anyone, but his aim isn't to win the election for Labour but to bolster his position as leader against the inevitable calls from within the parliamentary party for him to resign - again
TM has been shown taking difficult questions on the street. Not one single difficult question has been shown being put to JC outside a studio
So your assertion that "...she has only addressed the faithful..." is not only incorrect, but a direct inversion of the truth
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:34 - Jun 7 with 1279 views | SuddenLad |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:12 - Jun 7 by D_Alien |
TM's campaign has been conducted in largely marginal seats, or even traditional Labour
On the other hand, JC's campaign has been in pretty much safe Labour territory
If you're interested in the effect that can have, see the respective campaigning by Donald Trump & Hillary Clinton. JC knows this as well as anyone, but his aim isn't to win the election for Labour but to bolster his position as leader against the inevitable calls from within the parliamentary party for him to resign - again
TM has been shown taking difficult questions on the street. Not one single difficult question has been shown being put to JC outside a studio
So your assertion that "...she has only addressed the faithful..." is not only incorrect, but a direct inversion of the truth
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Which is why there is a perception that Corbyn has had a 'good' campaign and May hasn't.
She has been (deliberately) out of her comfort zone in terms of the areas she has visited for the most part. Conversely, JC has been doing exactly as you say, taking the adulation of the committed Labour supporters in Labour constituencies. Makes good propaganda coverage when decent crowds turn up.
I'd like to have seen him in Henley-on-Thames or Richmond in North Yorkshire. Mrs.May has visited lots of non-Tory areas, particularly in the traditional Labour heartlands, as has Tim Farron in respect of the Lib-Dems, though with much less coverage. You need to encroach onto 'enemy territory' (politically speaking) if you want to make headway in the world of Government and be prepared to listen to the nay-sayers as well as the back-slappers.
The recent terrorist incidents are no doubt uppermost in the minds of many people as we approach the election and the attitudes and well-documented views of many of the Labour front bench may come back to haunt them in the days ahead.
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:48 - Jun 7 with 1270 views | tony_roch975 |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 13:18 - Jun 6 by 49thseason |
The $64,000 question is this. Would Andy Kelly support Brexit which the majority of Rochdale referendum voters wanted or will he side with his party leader Minor Fart (anag) and seek to join with others to try and force another referendum?
Tony Lloyd has been a professional Labour politician for donkey's years without ever getting his hands dirty doing a proper job. He has managed to earn a very respectable sum from the public purse all his life, I am struggling to find a reason why the people of Rochdale should allow him to continue pulling in over £70k a year in salary and the better part of £200k in expenses at the age of 67 when most people he purports to represent are drawing a measly pension at that age having worked their spheres off for over 40 years.
I have met Jane Howard a few times, she seems a perfectly nice person.
Rochdale badly needs a renegade, someone who will put town first before party dogma, I am not sure if there is one amongst the current crop of candidates.
It's a shame that the party system has such a stranglehold on elections, we could do with a really good independent who could wheel and deal for Rochdale with whoever forms a government. |
a renegade who will put town before party dogma - that worked well with Cyril!
Anyone can stand as an Independent if they don't want to follow a Party's policies - let's see how well that works for Danczuk | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:55 - Jun 7 with 1264 views | tony_roch975 |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 12:06 - Jun 7 by SuddenLad |
Taking the vote for granted is the worst strategy of any, but I take your point. I had thought that was probably the case.
Watching the Corbyn 'Tour of Britain' he and his entourage seem to be concentrating on visiting the areas where he is an absolute certainty to get a Labour MP and 'preaching to the converted' so to speak. As I type this, he is speaking at a rally in Runcorn which has a Labour majority of over 20,000. It's a good photo opportunity showing masses of support and of course it's what the media and press will show, but it's hardly 'electioneering' in the real sense. He (anyone) surely needs to concentrate on areas where he is not the natural choice in an effort to change the minds of the electorate.
Wouldn't it make more sense to try and visit 'marginal' constituencies where there is a real opportuity to change the political landscape ?
It's been a fascinating campaign in many ways, but unlike anything I've ever seen previously, but the outcome needs to benefit the country, not any particular leader or Party.
Listening to a TV discussion between two Professors who teach election politics was fascinating. When you strip away all the 'guff and bluff' it seems that the generally accepted and true current picture shows the Tories with a poll lead of between 8 and 10 per cent.
The polls on the popularity of individual leaders is somewhat different, but again when the poll for who will make best Prime Minister (regardless of Party) Mrs. May was ahead by a country mile, but Corbyn is perceived to have had the best campaign.
Let's remember that this is not the 'X' Factor, or Britain's Got Talent and most certainly it isn't a popularity contest. Any one of them could be gone within weeks.
Many commentators believe that the 18-24 age group will treat it as such, because of the proliferation of so-called reality shows, where they are using their votes in such a way on a regular basis. Note the increase of 'boo-ing and whooping' at the recent live TV broadcasts. A modern phenomenon.
The most telling facts relate to Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. In their entire political careers they have had fixed views and have voted acccordingly without varying,
Mr. Corbyn has for 34 years has voted consistently on a variety of issues, but has now apprently 'altered his stance' for the duration of the campaign.
Make of all that what you will....... Sir David Butler, the worlds' leading and most experienced psephologist, who has studied a total of 20 general elections and who was the inventor of the 'swingometer' is of the opinion that it will be a win for Mrs. May and the Tories. However, he won't predict the margin of victory.....
Who am I to argue ? |
"The most telling facts relate to Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. In their entire political careers they have had fixed views and have voted acccordingly without varying" sums it up - last thing we want from our politicians is consistency, honesty and principles! Disagree with the policies by all means but at least with Corbyn it does what is says on the tin, May etc will say anything to con folk to vote for them and then as ever just look after the rich and powerful.. | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:15 - Jun 7 with 1246 views | SuddenLad |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:55 - Jun 7 by tony_roch975 |
"The most telling facts relate to Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. In their entire political careers they have had fixed views and have voted acccordingly without varying" sums it up - last thing we want from our politicians is consistency, honesty and principles! Disagree with the policies by all means but at least with Corbyn it does what is says on the tin, May etc will say anything to con folk to vote for them and then as ever just look after the rich and powerful.. |
172 of his own |MP's have declared 'no confidence' in Jeremy Corbyn. Is that something the electorate should recognise when thinking about whether he is fit to be Prime Minister, or is it just a sideshow that should be ignored ?
If THEY don't trust him, should the voters ?
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:26 - Jun 7 with 1229 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:12 - Jun 7 by D_Alien |
TM's campaign has been conducted in largely marginal seats, or even traditional Labour
On the other hand, JC's campaign has been in pretty much safe Labour territory
If you're interested in the effect that can have, see the respective campaigning by Donald Trump & Hillary Clinton. JC knows this as well as anyone, but his aim isn't to win the election for Labour but to bolster his position as leader against the inevitable calls from within the parliamentary party for him to resign - again
TM has been shown taking difficult questions on the street. Not one single difficult question has been shown being put to JC outside a studio
So your assertion that "...she has only addressed the faithful..." is not only incorrect, but a direct inversion of the truth
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So the half dozen people at may,s events put tough questions? Ha in many places only hand picked media were allowed to ask questions, local media were frozen out. Of course corbyn is trying to win the election, the only person that looks like throwing it is May, a woman who is so dull, she makes David Cameron seem like oscar Wilde | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:32 - Jun 7 with 1219 views | roccydaleian |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:55 - Jun 7 by tony_roch975 |
"The most telling facts relate to Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. In their entire political careers they have had fixed views and have voted acccordingly without varying" sums it up - last thing we want from our politicians is consistency, honesty and principles! Disagree with the policies by all means but at least with Corbyn it does what is says on the tin, May etc will say anything to con folk to vote for them and then as ever just look after the rich and powerful.. |
Oh aye, like the shoot to kill policy, which all of a sudden is ok? The only thing Corbyn has been consistent with is constantly boasting that he "had opposed every piece of anti-terror legislation in his 30 years in office." And McDonnall wants to abolish Mi5 . No thanks. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:33 - Jun 7 with 1214 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:03 - Jun 7 by SuddenLad |
I don't think anyone in any of the Political HQ offices were taken in by the polls at the beginning of the campaign, other than that Tories were ahead - as they have been throughout. The polls can tell you what you want, dependent upon location, age and other factors of those polled.
I understand exactly why Mrs. May called an election, because she needed a mandate of her own to deal with matters of permanent, national importance. Having had the Brexit vote, it was necessary for her to get the backing of the country to lead those negotiations as Prime Minister - she took over mid-term - so she needed to be elected in her own right.
There were/are many dissenting voices in Parliament (on all sides) surrounding the Brexit issue and many of them were trying to stifle and disrupt the debate to sabotage what she was trying to do.
Therefore, if she wins the election, she can properly tell them that she has been elected by the country to deal with the issue, nullifying the current claim that she wasn't chosen to do so.
It will also give the electorate an opportunity to state their case for Labour and Jeremy Corbyn. Or not........
If he wins, fair enough, we will enter unknown territory. If he loses, the Labour Party will continue with its' internal civil war and will probably remain out of Government for a generation, such is the disarray.
Roll on Friday............. |
The election was called, as the tories believed they had an unassailable poll lead , it was as much to silence dissenters in their own ranks, and a desire to defeat labour emphatically. Quite appropriate for the selfish party to try to capitalise on their opponents perceived weaknesses. | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:36 - Jun 7 with 1209 views | roccydaleian |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:26 - Jun 7 by rochdaleriddler |
So the half dozen people at may,s events put tough questions? Ha in many places only hand picked media were allowed to ask questions, local media were frozen out. Of course corbyn is trying to win the election, the only person that looks like throwing it is May, a woman who is so dull, she makes David Cameron seem like oscar Wilde |
Hooray, let's all vote for catweazle then. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=catweazle&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=sa | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:48 - Jun 7 with 1191 views | 49thseason |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 15:48 - Jun 7 by tony_roch975 |
a renegade who will put town before party dogma - that worked well with Cyril!
Anyone can stand as an Independent if they don't want to follow a Party's policies - let's see how well that works for Danczuk |
Im sorry but I dont really understand how my comment takes you to Cyril Smith, Cyril was either a faithful party apparatchik or hell bent on personal agrandisment depending on where he thought his best interests lay. To suggest he was some sort of renegade who disregarded party or personal dogma for Rochdale seems to me to be wholly inaccurate.
I agree that anyone can stand as an independent but without a party machine to deliver leaflets etc. the task is almost impossible unless there is a huge local issue like a hospital closing, but then Rochdale has had two hospitals closed and I have no recollection of anyone attempting to make an election issue out of it. It seems we are doomed to accept the candidates that parties choose to saddle us with.
Danczuk is standing because if he didn't he would forfeit his £10k loss of seat money. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:59 - Jun 7 with 1177 views | roccydaleian |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:48 - Jun 7 by 49thseason |
Im sorry but I dont really understand how my comment takes you to Cyril Smith, Cyril was either a faithful party apparatchik or hell bent on personal agrandisment depending on where he thought his best interests lay. To suggest he was some sort of renegade who disregarded party or personal dogma for Rochdale seems to me to be wholly inaccurate.
I agree that anyone can stand as an independent but without a party machine to deliver leaflets etc. the task is almost impossible unless there is a huge local issue like a hospital closing, but then Rochdale has had two hospitals closed and I have no recollection of anyone attempting to make an election issue out of it. It seems we are doomed to accept the candidates that parties choose to saddle us with.
Danczuk is standing because if he didn't he would forfeit his £10k loss of seat money. |
It was the Pennine Acute Trust that closed the Rochdale hospitals down, not sure any political party had owt to do with it. | | | |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 17:14 - Jun 7 with 1156 views | SuddenLad |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:33 - Jun 7 by rochdaleriddler |
The election was called, as the tories believed they had an unassailable poll lead , it was as much to silence dissenters in their own ranks, and a desire to defeat labour emphatically. Quite appropriate for the selfish party to try to capitalise on their opponents perceived weaknesses. |
You need to open BOTH eyes and listen to what's being said..........Mr. Corbyn has removed his Shadow Home Secretary today on the grounds of 'ill-health'.
The only problems with that are that nobody seriously believed the indicators were accurate. Every party has said so, long before the recent polls were becoming narrower.
The Labour party is in turmoil. For today's latest:
(a) Ms. Abbott claims she is not 'unwell'
(b) She wasn't advised of her removal from office before the decision was made
(c) The person replacing her, Lyn Brown, is a fierce opponent of Mr. Corbyn, was one of the 172 dissenters who wanted him out, and has previously resigned from a Shadow Cabinet position because of 'the direction that Mr. Corbyn was taking the Party'
Fills you with confidence, doesn't it..........if that's how Mr. Corbyn treats his closest allies, what chance does anyone else have ? | |
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| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 17:36 - Jun 7 with 1125 views | Shun |
| Danczuh, Lloyd or Howard on 16:59 - Jun 7 by roccydaleian |
It was the Pennine Acute Trust that closed the Rochdale hospitals down, not sure any political party had owt to do with it. |
Without wanting to get into yet another NHS debate, the closing of the Rochdale hospitals has a lot more to do with Devo Manc and Westminster rather than Pennine Acute. [Post edited 7 Jun 2017 17:37]
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