| Scunthorpe 21:14 - Sep 20 with 17793 views | blackdogblue |
Omfg… I thought our “neighbours” chairman says it as is after a beer…
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| Scunthorpe on 18:20 - Oct 4 with 2013 views | 49thseason |
| Scunthorpe on 17:11 - Oct 4 by blackdogblue |
That is some walk away with not a penny & still a mountain to climb |
She might own the club now, but does she actually have any money? Perhaps she thinks they can trade their way out of trouble, but my guess would be that time isn't on her side. The bills will be piling up £1000s needed every week and 99.9% of people wouldn't go near it with a barge pole. Time will tell if she is brave or stupid.... |  | | |
| Scunthorpe on 18:36 - Oct 4 with 1958 views | D_Alien |
| Scunthorpe on 18:20 - Oct 4 by 49thseason |
She might own the club now, but does she actually have any money? Perhaps she thinks they can trade their way out of trouble, but my guess would be that time isn't on her side. The bills will be piling up £1000s needed every week and 99.9% of people wouldn't go near it with a barge pole. Time will tell if she is brave or stupid.... |
She's a current director, and prior to that Commercial Manager for over 15 years
I'm sure she'd welcome your advice though |  |
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| Scunthorpe on 18:43 - Oct 4 with 1938 views | 442Dale |
| Scunthorpe on 18:20 - Oct 4 by 49thseason |
She might own the club now, but does she actually have any money? Perhaps she thinks they can trade their way out of trouble, but my guess would be that time isn't on her side. The bills will be piling up £1000s needed every week and 99.9% of people wouldn't go near it with a barge pole. Time will tell if she is brave or stupid.... |
Not sure if you missed the enquiry in my admittedly long post, are you able to attend the Volunteer Meeting tomorrow?
If not, is there anything you’d like raising? Either email the Trust or let me know and I’ll try to include in part two. Same goes for anyone else who can’t make it. Just hope I can get the Teams thing to work! Actually, on that score, a request will be made for future meetings, which will of course be required to ensure this works well, are face to face at the club where possible.
It’s a surprise no reminder story was on the OS ahead of invitations that were sent out today, but hopefully anyone who still wishes to join should be able to do so following the details below:
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| Scunthorpe on 21:16 - Oct 4 with 1786 views | 49thseason |
| Scunthorpe on 18:43 - Oct 4 by 442Dale |
Not sure if you missed the enquiry in my admittedly long post, are you able to attend the Volunteer Meeting tomorrow?
If not, is there anything you’d like raising? Either email the Trust or let me know and I’ll try to include in part two. Same goes for anyone else who can’t make it. Just hope I can get the Teams thing to work! Actually, on that score, a request will be made for future meetings, which will of course be required to ensure this works well, are face to face at the club where possible.
It’s a surprise no reminder story was on the OS ahead of invitations that were sent out today, but hopefully anyone who still wishes to join should be able to do so following the details below:
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I noted the mention 442, I will not be participating tomorrow. There are a number of reasons, mainly that I think its poor not to have the meeting in person where you can feel the atmosphere and read the body language.
I have had quite a long meeting at the club already and have my own thoughts as a result. There is a lot I could say but I have decided to see if my impressions chime with those who will be participating after the event.....
I would be happy to brief the Trust board on the scope of what I discussed and my impressions if there were a few minutes at one of their meetings but for now I have decided to " wait and see".
If you read some of my more recent posts, you might get the gist.... | | | |
| Scunthorpe on 21:35 - Oct 4 with 1748 views | 442Dale |
| Scunthorpe on 21:16 - Oct 4 by 49thseason |
I noted the mention 442, I will not be participating tomorrow. There are a number of reasons, mainly that I think its poor not to have the meeting in person where you can feel the atmosphere and read the body language.
I have had quite a long meeting at the club already and have my own thoughts as a result. There is a lot I could say but I have decided to see if my impressions chime with those who will be participating after the event.....
I would be happy to brief the Trust board on the scope of what I discussed and my impressions if there were a few minutes at one of their meetings but for now I have decided to " wait and see".
If you read some of my more recent posts, you might get the gist.... |
Could you update us with details of your meeting at the club by contacting the Trust so they could communicate it to members?
This would then allow supporters to get a better idea of where we all stand, much in the same way that utilising the Trust on all issues and ensuring they report back paints a picture.
I know well enough that posting on here has its uses but it also doesn’t progress things unless there’s a link via the Trust to move things forward. Recent examples of this, albeit not all fully resolved are the Vounteer Army, screening games at the Ratcliffe and the Oldham game.
Totally agree about how the meeting is being held and it’s surprising members were not consulted over the last four months around the club’s plan to hold it on Teams. There has been sufficient time to plan, communicate and amend depending on how fans felt. Presumably and hopefully there has been a lot of interest over the last week to justify the decision to hold it on Teams.
This board has a lot of uses of course for sharing opinion and making a start.
And giving fair warning when we know of possible flaws some probably don’t want to admit exist. [Post edited 4 Oct 2023 21:37]
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| Scunthorpe on 10:14 - Oct 5 with 1461 views | 49thseason |
| Scunthorpe on 21:35 - Oct 4 by 442Dale |
Could you update us with details of your meeting at the club by contacting the Trust so they could communicate it to members?
This would then allow supporters to get a better idea of where we all stand, much in the same way that utilising the Trust on all issues and ensuring they report back paints a picture.
I know well enough that posting on here has its uses but it also doesn’t progress things unless there’s a link via the Trust to move things forward. Recent examples of this, albeit not all fully resolved are the Vounteer Army, screening games at the Ratcliffe and the Oldham game.
Totally agree about how the meeting is being held and it’s surprising members were not consulted over the last four months around the club’s plan to hold it on Teams. There has been sufficient time to plan, communicate and amend depending on how fans felt. Presumably and hopefully there has been a lot of interest over the last week to justify the decision to hold it on Teams.
This board has a lot of uses of course for sharing opinion and making a start.
And giving fair warning when we know of possible flaws some probably don’t want to admit exist. [Post edited 4 Oct 2023 21:37]
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442, I'm not inclined to share the details of the content of the meeting, which was cordial and lasted about 90 minutes, on a public forum. I offered to help with a number of issues but it seems that the club isnt in a position to take me up on my offer. Murray set the meeting up and I have spoken to another Trust committee member about it and I will leave it at that for the time being. | | | |
| Scunthorpe on 10:29 - Oct 5 with 1443 views | D_Alien |
| Scunthorpe on 10:14 - Oct 5 by 49thseason |
442, I'm not inclined to share the details of the content of the meeting, which was cordial and lasted about 90 minutes, on a public forum. I offered to help with a number of issues but it seems that the club isnt in a position to take me up on my offer. Murray set the meeting up and I have spoken to another Trust committee member about it and I will leave it at that for the time being. |
May i ask follow up questions to that?
Based on that outcome, do you consider the efforts of the Trust - including tonight's Teams meeting, which you're not joining - and the wider fanbase, to be a virtual waste of time (pun maybe intended)?
Until such time, that is, that the board ARE in a position to "take up" offers and suggestions? When do you think that might be? When it no longer has control of the club? | |
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| Scunthorpe on 12:38 - Oct 5 with 1290 views | 49thseason |
| Scunthorpe on 10:29 - Oct 5 by D_Alien |
May i ask follow up questions to that?
Based on that outcome, do you consider the efforts of the Trust - including tonight's Teams meeting, which you're not joining - and the wider fanbase, to be a virtual waste of time (pun maybe intended)?
Until such time, that is, that the board ARE in a position to "take up" offers and suggestions? When do you think that might be? When it no longer has control of the club? |
I honestly can't answer those questions, I am sure there will not be an outright refusal to accept help of some sort. My sense, unconnected with my meeting, is that the hatches are battened down tighter than most will appreciate. In the words of my late Father in Law, "you can't shit without shite"... draw your own conclusions. | | | |
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| Scunthorpe on 12:57 - Oct 5 with 1261 views | D_Alien |
| Scunthorpe on 12:38 - Oct 5 by 49thseason |
I honestly can't answer those questions, I am sure there will not be an outright refusal to accept help of some sort. My sense, unconnected with my meeting, is that the hatches are battened down tighter than most will appreciate. In the words of my late Father in Law, "you can't shit without shite"... draw your own conclusions. |
Thanks for the response, i realise they were awkward questions
FWIW, that's pretty much how i see it. If the Trust were to be open about it, i suspect the restrictions you allude to have resulted in a slowing of the momentum from the public meetings of 3/4 months back
At least the Trust is now beginning to turn its attention to planning for a scenario where direct intervention would be the only hope of the club continuing in its present format | |
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| Scunthorpe on 13:20 - Oct 5 with 1217 views | 442Dale |
| Scunthorpe on 10:14 - Oct 5 by 49thseason |
442, I'm not inclined to share the details of the content of the meeting, which was cordial and lasted about 90 minutes, on a public forum. I offered to help with a number of issues but it seems that the club isnt in a position to take me up on my offer. Murray set the meeting up and I have spoken to another Trust committee member about it and I will leave it at that for the time being. |
For clarity, just wondered as you said you’d be happy to brief the Trust board at a meeting whether that could then be communicated to members, hence the suggestion to contact them. Appreciate if you don’t wish to do this.
Any sort of detailed information that all supporters are aware of would be beneficial. It helps with drawing conclusions. | |
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| Scunthorpe on 13:30 - Oct 5 with 1194 views | 442Dale |
| Scunthorpe on 12:57 - Oct 5 by D_Alien |
Thanks for the response, i realise they were awkward questions
FWIW, that's pretty much how i see it. If the Trust were to be open about it, i suspect the restrictions you allude to have resulted in a slowing of the momentum from the public meetings of 3/4 months back
At least the Trust is now beginning to turn its attention to planning for a scenario where direct intervention would be the only hope of the club continuing in its present format |
On your last point, this (and indeed planning for different scenarios) needs ramping up further with a clear direction so that the obvious interest of supporters to assist is capitalised on.
It would also actually take some pressure off the Trust board to do all the work if they looked to quickly set up the requested meeting to actually discuss routes forward, because fans want to help with this. | |
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| Scunthorpe on 13:57 - Oct 5 with 1140 views | Rodingdale |
| Scunthorpe on 13:30 - Oct 5 by 442Dale |
On your last point, this (and indeed planning for different scenarios) needs ramping up further with a clear direction so that the obvious interest of supporters to assist is capitalised on.
It would also actually take some pressure off the Trust board to do all the work if they looked to quickly set up the requested meeting to actually discuss routes forward, because fans want to help with this. |
Feels to me like the trust has a foot in both camps, which is hampering the ramping up. Is it time for the trust to disentangle itself and become a truly independent voice and force for change? |  | | |
| Scunthorpe on 14:17 - Oct 5 with 1083 views | D_Alien |
| Scunthorpe on 13:57 - Oct 5 by Rodingdale |
Feels to me like the trust has a foot in both camps, which is hampering the ramping up. Is it time for the trust to disentangle itself and become a truly independent voice and force for change? |
That would be my preferred option, and voted as such in the recent survey
I can genuinely see both sides, and as 49th said, Murray was able to leverage a meeting between himself and member(s) of the board
It's a fine balance, but if things continue the way they are, the Trust would indeed need to be fully independent from the Dale board in the scenario i put to 49th earlier, and which i know good people such as TalkingSutty also might favour | |
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| Scunthorpe on 14:23 - Oct 5 with 1074 views | D_Alien |
| Scunthorpe on 13:30 - Oct 5 by 442Dale |
On your last point, this (and indeed planning for different scenarios) needs ramping up further with a clear direction so that the obvious interest of supporters to assist is capitalised on.
It would also actually take some pressure off the Trust board to do all the work if they looked to quickly set up the requested meeting to actually discuss routes forward, because fans want to help with this. |
That meeting would need to have that specific focus, and be held in a public venue, possibly even away from the COA since there might be discussions inimical to the interests of current board members
I'm not a fan of Teams (just Dale  ) but in any case have to be elsewhere this evening. Plenty of notice, and sticking to the planned date would also be required | |
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| Scunthorpe on 14:50 - Oct 5 with 1026 views | 49thseason |
| Scunthorpe on 13:30 - Oct 5 by 442Dale |
On your last point, this (and indeed planning for different scenarios) needs ramping up further with a clear direction so that the obvious interest of supporters to assist is capitalised on.
It would also actually take some pressure off the Trust board to do all the work if they looked to quickly set up the requested meeting to actually discuss routes forward, because fans want to help with this. |
There are a number of steps the Trust could take at little to no cost which would be beneficial in any outcome from the Board's attempts to find an investor....
1. A database of Trust members and other supporter's skills and availability
2. An investigation into lottery software, its costs and abilities
3. Possible alternative ownership structures for a professional football club.
4. Alternative marketing methods and options.
5. Investigate the accounts of other clubs to figure out what finances are needed to be competitive.
6. Re-branding - what would a new-look club look like? What works wellmin the current set- up, what can be improved that might affect the finances in a positive way
I have no doubt that there are people who support the club who would be keen to participate, sponsors could also be included. The simple mechanism would be to set up a number of teams under an overarching trust committee to create a knowledgebase that can be easily accessed and added to over time.
There will never be enough money so the burning question is how little can we manage with to be competitive? | | | |
| Scunthorpe on 16:05 - Oct 5 with 950 views | TalkingSutty |
| Scunthorpe on 14:17 - Oct 5 by D_Alien |
That would be my preferred option, and voted as such in the recent survey
I can genuinely see both sides, and as 49th said, Murray was able to leverage a meeting between himself and member(s) of the board
It's a fine balance, but if things continue the way they are, the Trust would indeed need to be fully independent from the Dale board in the scenario i put to 49th earlier, and which i know good people such as TalkingSutty also might favour |
I do favour a independent Trust, working on behalf of their members in the best interests of the club. The cloak and dagger stuff is something the Trust shouldn't be involved in and they certainly shouldn't be answerable to the Chairman and Directors in what is supposedly a fan owned club. That's a ridiculous situation when you think about it and it should never have been allowed to happen, especially when the Trust is the major shareholder with a Director in the Boardroom.
I can't get involved in the volunteer meetings because as I pointed out before, the Chairman and Directors should be overjoyed at the thought of supporters stepping up to the plate to help, they should be attending these meetings and should have already highlighted the areas where fans can benefit the club..the Trust Committee will know if that's the response that they have received or not. We are a fan owned Club and we should all work as a team. We've never given that a chance though.
I don't want Simon Gauge or any of the Directors to abandon ship because i still believe they saved the club, they aren't the enemy. What i want is for them to drop this 'us and them' and roll up their sleeves ( all of them) and work as one with the Trust and the fans to turn the club around. All of us get our heads together and formulate a plan, forget all this Chairman and Directors tier system and let's all muck in.
The volunteer army plan is absolutely brilliant but i can't get away from the fact that there is a massive elephant in the room that needs addressing by the Trust, shareholders and the fan base and if it isn't then any subsequent planning will have been a waste of time. I think the Chairman and Directors need to be forced to sit down, stop and listen to what the Trust, shareholders, fans have to say. We all need to work as one for the good of the club, that's the only priority. How can we plan to volunteer and buy bricks when we haven't a clue what's happening with the club. It's a ludicrous situation really. |  | | |
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