| Palace on Palace 23:37 - Dec 11 with 2730 views | MrSheen |
I met a friend for a drink last night with a startling story of following Palace in Europe. He’s a real Palace diehard and decided they would achieve a lifetime’s ambition and pick one away day in Europe, settling on Strasbourg a couple of weeks ago. He went a day early, had a great night, locals very friendly, all cursing joint club ownership (Strasbourg are a vassal state of Chelsea). His brother was coming out with his teenage son on match day and they agreed to meet at 5 in a bar in the square set aside by the police for Palace fans.
He arrived at a quarter to five and it was mayhem, brawls everywhere, police charging around. Palace on Palace.
He’s been telling me for a while about friction at Palace games. The Holmesdale Ultra scene, love it or hate it, has attracted a different group of supporters to what you might think of as “legacy Palace”, but he calls “Addlestone*”. They stay away from each other at home but are forced together at away games. He told me there were occasional tensions in the last couple of years over one group wanting to fly Palestine flags and another insisting this was nothing to do with Palace.
Anyway, the two groups came together in the square, insults led to an attack (apparently on an Asian fan), and then a free-for-all. My friend warned his brother off and they hung out elsewhere until kickoff. Roll forwards a couple of hours, Palace have thrown the game away, the police have locked them in for 45 minutes to clear the area, and it all happens again. They’re finally let out to march back to town between lines of riot police. Their hotel was a bit off their route and they were going to ask the police to let them down a side road, but someone in front of them had the same idea and beats them to it. The policeman ponders for a while, then gets a can of pepper spray out and unloads on the fans. Fresh disorder breaks out, at which point our heroes scoot further up the road and slip off at a now unguarded corner further up.
My friend described the whole experience as at the same time miserably dispiriting and totally exhilarating. But he gave Shelbourne a miss.
* Sorry, New Addington, noisy pub.
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| Palace on Palace on 00:08 - Dec 12 with 2252 views | Boston |
Did you recount the 1982 FA Cup Final experience? [Post edited 12 Dec 0:12]
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| Palace on Palace on 09:35 - Dec 12 with 1740 views | joe90 |
Palace were a total non entity in South East London until about a decade ago. Once they got into the Premier League all the new middle class folk started taking their kids there instead of Millwall and Charlton (a bit too South East London for their taste.) This coincided with HF ultras and now Palace are trying to rebrand themselves as multicultural community club. It’s total BS and obviously papers like the Guardian love it. Arsenal are much better supported club by the type of locals these fans are trying to align themselves with. There’s literally an Arsenal mural in school playground near my house. I see why Millwall hate them and am increasingly feeling more antipathy towards them. [Post edited 12 Dec 10:07]
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| Palace on Palace on 09:54 - Dec 12 with 1669 views | DavieQPR |
Firstly there is no such thing as right wing only far right wing. That typical Guardian article contains a lot of words like 'believed' 'unproven' and 'not witnessed' 'have heard' in that report. Although, no doubt, it does happen very few actual facts. Plus only three arrests? |  | | |
| Palace on Palace on 09:59 - Dec 12 with 1652 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I stopped reading the OP when I suddenly remembered...Palace have sold Eze, we've (hopefully) earned off the SOC, so need to worry!! |  |
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| Palace on Palace on 10:03 - Dec 12 with 1617 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Smaller scale, but I understand there has been some ag about the new flags in the Loft / Ellerslie. |  | | |
| Palace on Palace on 10:10 - Dec 12 with 1572 views | stowmarketrange |
I thought it was mainly about older fans resenting the ultras but it seems to be a bit more ingrained than that.Lefty ultras v right wing Addington mob according to my mates Palace supporting son who has given up on them because of VAR. |  | | |
| Palace on Palace on 10:10 - Dec 12 with 1570 views | TheChef |
| Palace on Palace on 10:03 - Dec 12 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Smaller scale, but I understand there has been some ag about the new flags in the Loft / Ellerslie. |
Why? |  |
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| Palace on Palace on 11:19 - Dec 12 with 1325 views | Beckenhamhoop |
Keep politics out of football…..and off message boards! | | | |
| Palace on Palace on 11:32 - Dec 12 with 1268 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Palace on Palace on 11:19 - Dec 12 by Beckenhamhoop |
Keep politics out of football…..and off message boards! |
This is both impossible and has no meaning.
An honest statement by most people would be 'keep politics I don't like out of football'. | | | |
| Palace on Palace on 11:37 - Dec 12 with 1248 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Palace on Palace on 10:10 - Dec 12 by TheChef |
Why? |
Curmudgeonleness I'd imagine. | | | |
| Palace on Palace on 11:44 - Dec 12 with 1211 views | wombat |
| Palace on Palace on 11:37 - Dec 12 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Curmudgeonleness I'd imagine. |
My boss is a newcaslte fan and they had the same issues with the police in fracne recently , tear gas for just standing there u name it , luckily he didnt take his old man this time as he said it was horrible after the game |  |
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| Palace on Palace on 12:23 - Dec 12 with 1087 views | kensalriser |
| Palace on Palace on 09:35 - Dec 12 by joe90 |
Palace were a total non entity in South East London until about a decade ago. Once they got into the Premier League all the new middle class folk started taking their kids there instead of Millwall and Charlton (a bit too South East London for their taste.) This coincided with HF ultras and now Palace are trying to rebrand themselves as multicultural community club. It’s total BS and obviously papers like the Guardian love it. Arsenal are much better supported club by the type of locals these fans are trying to align themselves with. There’s literally an Arsenal mural in school playground near my house. I see why Millwall hate them and am increasingly feeling more antipathy towards them. [Post edited 12 Dec 10:07]
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You don't think London clubs should be multicultural community clubs?
Look at the areas around Shepherd's Bush. Where do you think new QPR supporters will come from? If we have to rely on generational supporters who support the club because their Dad or Grandad is/was QPR and once lived in or near Loftus Rd we're going to die on our arse. Indeed, we would already have long since died on our arse if we hadn't attracted waves of immigrant supporters over the last 100 years.
And, of course, look at our team. If the team is multicultural, why shouldn't the support base be? [Post edited 12 Dec 12:25]
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| Palace on Palace on 13:07 - Dec 12 with 915 views | joe90 |
| Palace on Palace on 12:23 - Dec 12 by kensalriser |
You don't think London clubs should be multicultural community clubs?
Look at the areas around Shepherd's Bush. Where do you think new QPR supporters will come from? If we have to rely on generational supporters who support the club because their Dad or Grandad is/was QPR and once lived in or near Loftus Rd we're going to die on our arse. Indeed, we would already have long since died on our arse if we hadn't attracted waves of immigrant supporters over the last 100 years.
And, of course, look at our team. If the team is multicultural, why shouldn't the support base be? [Post edited 12 Dec 12:25]
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My issue is Palace fans trying to portray the club as being 'multicultural and community based', NOT with multiculturalism/community work etc. Evidently I didn't communicate that distinction in my post. | | | |
| Palace on Palace on 13:11 - Dec 12 with 899 views | Snipper |
| Palace on Palace on 09:35 - Dec 12 by joe90 |
Palace were a total non entity in South East London until about a decade ago. Once they got into the Premier League all the new middle class folk started taking their kids there instead of Millwall and Charlton (a bit too South East London for their taste.) This coincided with HF ultras and now Palace are trying to rebrand themselves as multicultural community club. It’s total BS and obviously papers like the Guardian love it. Arsenal are much better supported club by the type of locals these fans are trying to align themselves with. There’s literally an Arsenal mural in school playground near my house. I see why Millwall hate them and am increasingly feeling more antipathy towards them. [Post edited 12 Dec 10:07]
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Sorry. Downvoted in error. Wasn’t meant to like or dislike. |  | | |
| Palace on Palace on 13:23 - Dec 12 with 844 views | MrSheen |
A lot of the Holmesdale identity is Not Millwall, leading up to the banner, sorry Tifo, at their recent cup game, Knuckle Draggers Go Home. If they’re Roundheads, that must make us Cavaliers. | | | |
| Palace on Palace on 13:46 - Dec 12 with 780 views | Boston |
I was aware of a certain level of disquiet emanating from long term / older / established Palace supporters and the newer arrivals. I didn't think it was anything more than the expected dissatisfaction older fans often display when a club experiences success and new fans turn up. But, my foreman, the Palace fan, informs me his ST holder brothers find the Ultras to be annoying, which he claims is widespread among the diehards.
Now that makes me wonder - did QPR experience a similar situation in the 70's? I really don't recall any talk about new fans coming out of the woodwork, 'cept for a couple of celebs who suddenly appeared waving blue and white scarves on the Telly. [Post edited 12 Dec 13:48]
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| Palace on Palace on 14:35 - Dec 12 with 676 views | stowmarketrange |
| Palace on Palace on 13:46 - Dec 12 by Boston |
I was aware of a certain level of disquiet emanating from long term / older / established Palace supporters and the newer arrivals. I didn't think it was anything more than the expected dissatisfaction older fans often display when a club experiences success and new fans turn up. But, my foreman, the Palace fan, informs me his ST holder brothers find the Ultras to be annoying, which he claims is widespread among the diehards.
Now that makes me wonder - did QPR experience a similar situation in the 70's? I really don't recall any talk about new fans coming out of the woodwork, 'cept for a couple of celebs who suddenly appeared waving blue and white scarves on the Telly. [Post edited 12 Dec 13:48]
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They tend to get everything they ask for from Steve Parish,and when they don’t get it they throw their toys out of the pram until they do get it.
I have to turn the sound off for a palace home game because of the incessant drumming coming from them.I couldn’t imagine having to hear that for every home game. | | | |
| Palace on Palace on 15:09 - Dec 12 with 605 views | CroydonCaptJack |
Yes, there were loads of videos on X that night and the following morning.
Ultras versus Addington mobs |  |
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| Palace on Palace on 15:15 - Dec 12 with 576 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| Palace on Palace on 11:32 - Dec 12 by BazzaInTheLoft |
This is both impossible and has no meaning.
An honest statement by most people would be 'keep politics I don't like out of football'. |
No surprise that it’s you that is opposed to this 😂 | | | |
| Palace on Palace on 15:16 - Dec 12 with 566 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Palace on Palace on 15:15 - Dec 12 by Beckenhamhoop |
No surprise that it’s you that is opposed to this 😂 |
No surprise it's you that doesn't understand it. [Post edited 12 Dec 15:31]
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| Palace on Palace on 15:20 - Dec 12 with 542 views | Boston |
| Palace on Palace on 15:09 - Dec 12 by CroydonCaptJack |
Yes, there were loads of videos on X that night and the following morning.
Ultras versus Addington mobs |
And there's me thinking Addington Palace was just a quaint 18th Century mansion. | |
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| Palace on Palace on 15:25 - Dec 12 with 525 views | Paddyhoops |
Any person who dresses from head to toe in black with a balaclava and attends a football match needs to give their head a wobble .
Does Ultra imply they’re better supporters than everyone else ?
Fecking grow up lads. | | | |
| Palace on Palace on 15:34 - Dec 12 with 481 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Palace on Palace on 15:25 - Dec 12 by Paddyhoops |
Any person who dresses from head to toe in black with a balaclava and attends a football match needs to give their head a wobble .
Does Ultra imply they’re better supporters than everyone else ?
Fecking grow up lads. |
Sounds like their Ultras are trying to emulate Celtic’s Green Brigade.who are an absolute laughing stock. |  | | |
| Palace on Palace on 15:58 - Dec 12 with 414 views | Boston |
| Palace on Palace on 15:25 - Dec 12 by Paddyhoops |
Any person who dresses from head to toe in black with a balaclava and attends a football match needs to give their head a wobble .
Does Ultra imply they’re better supporters than everyone else ?
Fecking grow up lads. |
Maybe they're trying out to be the Milk Tray Man. [Post edited 12 Dec 16:00]
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