| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread 14:35 - Dec 11 with 26917 views | HullDale |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 23:35 - Dec 11 with 3007 views | swiggy |
Heâs had 23 games, yep. Remember not so long ago, for me anyway, Hillyâs first match in charge, no fear football. My memory is not what it was but I think we may have won. Now despite what the fans forum was told we still insist on going forwards for 10 yards and then turning round and passing backwards, still insist on the keeper passing the ball to our centre half in our penalty area, sorry it doesnât work, just because you can doesnât mean you have to.
Harker, Smith , Ryder, Leach, Parry, Ashworth, Whitehead, Rudd, Buck, Jenkins, Butler, Still ingrained in my head from 1969, do you think any of the present generation could lace their boots? I donât think so, having said that many in between have been more than capable, Holty, Ricky, Alan Reeves, Hogan, Our Craig, Gary Jones, etc etc
Pretty fed up with an apparent couldnât care less attitude.
Enough, sorry ðŸË¢ |  | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 23:37 - Dec 11 with 3004 views | Dalenet |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 20:40 - Dec 11 by RippDale |
We need to be patient here and not go down the Oldham route of changing managers every 6 months. We have been severely mis-managed both on and off the pitch for the last 4 years and we now have stability off the pitch, we need to support RS the best we can to get some stability on the pitch.
I feared for us this season and worried we would do a Southend but I think Robbie has done a decent job under the extreme circumstances. There are many mistakes but also some very good glimpses. He has been left with some dross but by the end of the season most of that will be gone and we can judge him on the players he brings in for next season.
We are not a sacking club but modern day football has created this monster and some of our fans embrace that |
Nobody had suggested changing manager. Lets not create a story where there isn't one | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 00:29 - Dec 12 with 2902 views | swiggy |
What we want is to win a football game, not complicated, not a big ask, just score more goals than the opposing team, simples. To do this play the ball in your opponents half, donât bother messing about with the goalkeeper and centre halfâs tippy tappying.
Listened to Tony Cottee today who was told by people, youâre crap, all you do is score goals, why donât you track back?
All you do is score goals ffs | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 07:06 - Dec 12 with 2734 views | D_Alien |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 00:29 - Dec 12 by swiggy |
What we want is to win a football game, not complicated, not a big ask, just score more goals than the opposing team, simples. To do this play the ball in your opponents half, donât bother messing about with the goalkeeper and centre halfâs tippy tappying.
Listened to Tony Cottee today who was told by people, youâre crap, all you do is score goals, why donât you track back?
All you do is score goals ffs |
Clearly, he needed a Kevin Sinfield type to advise him |  |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 08:17 - Dec 12 with 2635 views | kel |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 23:37 - Dec 11 by Dalenet |
Nobody had suggested changing manager. Lets not create a story where there isn't one |
Thereâs loads of them doing it on Facebook on Twitter but granted, not on here. Some clown on Facebook has stated we should get Big Sam in ffs. Itâs like reading the bury board circa 2015. [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 8:26]
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 09:47 - Dec 12 with 2464 views | AltDaleComms |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:04 - Dec 12 with 2416 views | 1907 |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 17:35 - Dec 11 by beat_the_bishop |
A the beginning of the season I said to my old man I was looking forward to season where we could just play some football, under very little pressure and enjoy the ride of a mid table season while we stabilise off the field and nurture some of youth on it.
A positive start, some tidy football played and some entertaining games. Some went our way others didnât. Pretty much as expected and felt like being back in the Rochdale decision after so many years âpunching above our weightâ was the relief we struggled to accept but probably needed.
Now, ultimately I feel like I did at this stage for the last two seasons under BBM. Constantly frustrated, watching us causes me stress due to the fact that half the things we do in matches really doesnât seem to make much sense or is completely avoidable and most importantly and the most worrying is I am turning up expecting as much. I donât embark on watching a game thinking we could win, I am watching through habit and clinging on the fact a clean sheet would be an enjoyable afternoon/evening.
Our fan base is thread bare, and those 500 - 800 that sit on the fence and take our gates from 2,200 to nearer 3,000 I have never quite understood. I thought being a âtrue fanâ was all about giving it your commitment and what will be will be. But after years now of utter crap to put it bluntly, I feel myself sort of understand those âfencersâ. If you have something more productive to be doing or something clashes with a Dale match and you would typically make an excuse or try and rearrange so you can do both⌠all of a sudden you put up less fight. Simply because I donât feel that fight in return on the pitch. I can accept not being good enough or being beaten by a quality team but this league is god awful and so are we. We have no grit or fight. If you canât match quality you can match work ethic and more often than not work ethic is enough in this league. But we have neither, we have team of wimps with no under belly and I really find that hard to watch.
Stockdales harshest lesson is how he hasnât prioritised a battling midfielder. Itâs a is a catastrophic failure. Liam Kelly for his technical ability will actually struggle in this league, the lower down the ranks he does the less effective he is/will get. I would take an Ethan Hamilton, Cavanagh, S Dawson over him every single day of the week. We have a threadbare squad and we have too many lightweight players who would be squad players anywhere other than Rochdale.
OâKeefe is another example. Gets lots of hype but again for me a Wiseman/Rafferty type player pops him all day long. I want my wing backs to be able to defend as part of the defensive unit as the priority as opposed to clipping his own ankles in the opponents box in the hunt for penalty.
People wonât agree but Iâm at a point where I just want to see defenders defend, central midfielders win personal battles, wingers focus on hugging the touch line, being an outlet and swinging a ball in at every chance. And two strikers who can read one and other and be in that box and every single opportunity.
Currently we have defenders who not doing the basics. Wing backs who offer little going forwards and even less defensively, a midfield who all seem to be jockeying for the same âI just spray the ball but donât tackle roleâ and strikers who actually rarely strike and come to deep due to lack of service. Regarding the goalkeeping situation, itâs been a problem for years. But at this level, I feel like most of them arenât very good no matter what team. Sanchez coming for a corner no matter where it was flighted was more important than a goal at times. That was a skill you donât see very often anymore, hence heâs now number one for Brighton.
Iâm not Stockdale out because I know itâs more deep routed than that. But I am worried. I feel like January is still an age away but even when it comes will much change? Have we got any money to makes changes? I still want that mid table finish but on recent showings, I feel very miserable supporting Rochdale. I need more from them, Iâm not feeling the love. |
That is one of the best posts Iâve ever read on here and perfectly sums up the situation & how I also feel at present.
I know Stockdale has been dealt a difficult hand but the way some of this forum will try to protect him for any sort of criticism is getting beyond a joke.
We are persisting with a formation that doesnât work. The proof is in the pudding and weâre not getting the results. When was the last time he attempted to do anything different?
He plays it safe far too much for me. Rarely gambles. Never mixes it up. We must be the most predictable team in the league because weâve not changed the system once in months.
Our midfield is pathetic. When you think of the likes of Jones, Kennedy, Taylor, Lund, Rathbone etc and you look at our centre midfield now itâs laughable. Weâre fighting in the trenches against battle hardened warriors with what looks like two 13 year old boys. Why the hell did we not bring in any experience in the summer?
Watching Dale has become so depressive again and I absolute hate it. Hartlepool commentators the other night made a comment âyou need to be beating Rochdale at homeâ. We were in League One beating Wigan 0-5 away 12 months ago and now weâre getting beat week in week out struggling in League Two.
I know thatâs not Stockdaleâs fault, I know itâs not the boards fault. We worked so hard to become a solid, decent, exciting League One team and now itâs just back to the same.
At 12.01 January 1st I want new players being brought into this club who will do our fans justice and start doing the job theyâre paid for to a better standard. | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:07 - Dec 12 with 2409 views | 1907 |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 17:58 - Dec 11 by 442Dale |
Most of your points, some valid, revolve around the squad construction of which everyone admits was done in a short period and probably not to the managerâs total satisfaction. Itâs hard to say he hasnât prioritised a battling midfielder, he lost Rathbone and was able to pick up Broadbent on loan who hasnât worked out and Kelly who was available without a club. A mish-mash of players for sure, but Stockdale will almost certainly share the same frustrations.
I get the impression, especially after the interview on Wednesday, that he wants his teams to be more battle hardened and thatâs not happening right now. Letâs see how things are at Easter in terms of how we look in general, league position is almost irrelevant. |
âLeague position is almost irrelevantâ
Are you mad? What a load of tosh and twiddle. Iâm not Stockdale out by any stretch but some of the pro Stockdale stuff youâre posting is becoming bonkers to the BBM extreme. | | | |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:10 - Dec 12 with 2406 views | 1907 |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 18:22 - Dec 11 by D_Alien |
We got that "from this team" when they came from 2-0 down to draw level, and (apparently) should've taken the lead
The hard week we've had eventually took it's toll
Not sure what you want, really, as someone else posted earlier |
I donât get why youâre trying to argue with this guy when every single point is valid and some of the most ârealâ comments Iâve seen on this forum in some time. | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:13 - Dec 12 with 2405 views | BillyRudd |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 22:24 - Dec 11 by TVOS1907 |
Not sure I agree. At no point in the game or afterwards did anyone comment on it until now.
It was perfectly fine and didn't impact the game in any way whatsoever. |
Happy to be corrected but I vaguely remember the commentator on I-follow mentioning words to the effect that although the pitch condition looked good, it was in fact bobbly. Not that I think that had any bearing on the eventual result.
Regarding RS, his frustration is palpable. He is ambitious and I think capable of being ruthless in that pursuit . I would be surprised if, within the constraints of budget, we do not see that manifested in January. Up the Dale | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:18 - Dec 12 with 2387 views | 442Dale |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:04 - Dec 12 by 1907 |
That is one of the best posts Iâve ever read on here and perfectly sums up the situation & how I also feel at present.
I know Stockdale has been dealt a difficult hand but the way some of this forum will try to protect him for any sort of criticism is getting beyond a joke.
We are persisting with a formation that doesnât work. The proof is in the pudding and weâre not getting the results. When was the last time he attempted to do anything different?
He plays it safe far too much for me. Rarely gambles. Never mixes it up. We must be the most predictable team in the league because weâve not changed the system once in months.
Our midfield is pathetic. When you think of the likes of Jones, Kennedy, Taylor, Lund, Rathbone etc and you look at our centre midfield now itâs laughable. Weâre fighting in the trenches against battle hardened warriors with what looks like two 13 year old boys. Why the hell did we not bring in any experience in the summer?
Watching Dale has become so depressive again and I absolute hate it. Hartlepool commentators the other night made a comment âyou need to be beating Rochdale at homeâ. We were in League One beating Wigan 0-5 away 12 months ago and now weâre getting beat week in week out struggling in League Two.
I know thatâs not Stockdaleâs fault, I know itâs not the boards fault. We worked so hard to become a solid, decent, exciting League One team and now itâs just back to the same.
At 12.01 January 1st I want new players being brought into this club who will do our fans justice and start doing the job theyâre paid for to a better standard. |
I think this forum has been very fair in the main and cannot be said to be protecting him from âany sort of criticismâ because thereâs been plenty.
There has been much discussion around the formation and people would like him to try something different, although we can see why he might not want to try a back four with so many CH looking unsteady. Midfield as well - we all can see what we need but we canât change the personnel yet. What we can do is increase bodies in there, that is on the manager and he knows that his decision making will rightly be analysed and criticised where necessary.
Is our current form now disappointing again? Very. And Iâm sure some fans are affected more than others, but we arenât a million miles away from these games and results going in our favour and you can see that is what is frustrating Stockdale the most
Watching a lower league football team who gets inconsistent results is part of football in this country. For now we are part of that group. The games arenât awful, we arenât getting battered every week looking completely clueless, so for now maybe we have to accept that whilst rightly having a moan and saying where it could be better. It might be like it next season too, is that so bad? |  |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:21 - Dec 12 with 2379 views | TVOS1907 |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:13 - Dec 12 by BillyRudd |
Happy to be corrected but I vaguely remember the commentator on I-follow mentioning words to the effect that although the pitch condition looked good, it was in fact bobbly. Not that I think that had any bearing on the eventual result.
Regarding RS, his frustration is palpable. He is ambitious and I think capable of being ruthless in that pursuit . I would be surprised if, within the constraints of budget, we do not see that manifested in January. Up the Dale |
Can't comment on what was said on ifollow as I was at the game.
The pitch was absolutely fine and has only been mentioned by one person three days after the game.
It had no bearing on either teams' performances or the result. |  |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:26 - Dec 12 with 2351 views | jonahwhereru |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:04 - Dec 12 by 1907 |
That is one of the best posts Iâve ever read on here and perfectly sums up the situation & how I also feel at present.
I know Stockdale has been dealt a difficult hand but the way some of this forum will try to protect him for any sort of criticism is getting beyond a joke.
We are persisting with a formation that doesnât work. The proof is in the pudding and weâre not getting the results. When was the last time he attempted to do anything different?
He plays it safe far too much for me. Rarely gambles. Never mixes it up. We must be the most predictable team in the league because weâve not changed the system once in months.
Our midfield is pathetic. When you think of the likes of Jones, Kennedy, Taylor, Lund, Rathbone etc and you look at our centre midfield now itâs laughable. Weâre fighting in the trenches against battle hardened warriors with what looks like two 13 year old boys. Why the hell did we not bring in any experience in the summer?
Watching Dale has become so depressive again and I absolute hate it. Hartlepool commentators the other night made a comment âyou need to be beating Rochdale at homeâ. We were in League One beating Wigan 0-5 away 12 months ago and now weâre getting beat week in week out struggling in League Two.
I know thatâs not Stockdaleâs fault, I know itâs not the boards fault. We worked so hard to become a solid, decent, exciting League One team and now itâs just back to the same.
At 12.01 January 1st I want new players being brought into this club who will do our fans justice and start doing the job theyâre paid for to a better standard. |
You have many plenty of reasoned contributions on this site, and I understand the frustration, but this is harsh.
Donât look back because it will be painful. Lund and Rathbone both went for more money
I fully believe that we will soon have players here who are capable of playing at a higher level. Kelly already is. But I urge you to hold your nerve. This is Dale, it will never be an easy ride, but the we all understand their will be moments that make the difficult days more tolerable.
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:35 - Dec 12 with 2323 views | BillyRudd |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:21 - Dec 12 by TVOS1907 |
Can't comment on what was said on ifollow as I was at the game.
The pitch was absolutely fine and has only been mentioned by one person three days after the game.
It had no bearing on either teams' performances or the result. |
Think you miss my point. Whether the pitch in your view was fine or not which is totally subjective, is immaterial to my point. Your continuing assertion that "mentioned by one person three days after the game", unless I have dreamt it , is factually incorrect. Unless of course you only refer to being mentioned on this forum. Up the Dale | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:54 - Dec 12 with 2270 views | TVOS1907 |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:35 - Dec 12 by BillyRudd |
Think you miss my point. Whether the pitch in your view was fine or not which is totally subjective, is immaterial to my point. Your continuing assertion that "mentioned by one person three days after the game", unless I have dreamt it , is factually incorrect. Unless of course you only refer to being mentioned on this forum. Up the Dale |
Yes, obviously that's what I mean, as that's what started this in the first place!
If the pitch was an issue and it had appeared as such during the game on Wednesday, surely someone else would have mentioned it somewhere other than on iFollow or on here on Saturday night, as usually happens with most other in-game issues.
Even NigeriaMark never referred to it in his running commentary, as far as I can see.
And as I said, regardless of a subjective view about the pitch, it had zero influence on Wednesday's result, the way Dale and Hartlepool played or the goals we conceded! [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 10:59]
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 11:34 - Dec 12 with 2189 views | beat_the_bishop |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:54 - Dec 12 by TVOS1907 |
Yes, obviously that's what I mean, as that's what started this in the first place!
If the pitch was an issue and it had appeared as such during the game on Wednesday, surely someone else would have mentioned it somewhere other than on iFollow or on here on Saturday night, as usually happens with most other in-game issues.
Even NigeriaMark never referred to it in his running commentary, as far as I can see.
And as I said, regardless of a subjective view about the pitch, it had zero influence on Wednesday's result, the way Dale and Hartlepool played or the goals we conceded! [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 10:59]
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The point was⌠pitches are deteriorating. Whether you think Hartlepools was fine or not I donât really care itâs been and gone. Apologies for not raising it on the night. I tend to only comment when I have residual time.
Why I mentioned it was focused on one thing. We have Dooley, Newby, Morley, Kelly, Odoh etc whoâs game is all very similar. Neat on the ball and play a pass and the odd little twist and turn. As we approach the winter that will be even less effective than itâs already been on perfect summer surfaces. We canât win midfield battles in the summer and autumn months so I am worried about winter when sometimes the tippy tappy isnât an option.
As mentioned. Our midfield are like teenage boys. If you are a box to box experienced central midfielder you are licking your lips playing against Morley and Kelly.
My point throughout was I donât see any grit and fight in the team. Everyone can run around looking busy and therefore you canât question their effort. Joe Thompson was the best example of that. But what they contribute with is whatâs important. And right now we need to get a better grip of games and do the ugly side better. We are too easy to beat.
Changing the system could be a temporary stop gap that could steady the ship to buy time to recruit. The problem is Stockdale wonât do that and we are shipping points without trying alternatives. What do we have to lose when itâs we are getting beat regularly and the fans are bored of the same pattern? | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:06 - Dec 12 with 2090 views | kel |
I wouldnât say 2 league losses in a week after a long unbeaten run was being beat regularly but each to their own. [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 12:06]
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:44 - Dec 12 with 1997 views | beat_the_bishop |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:06 - Dec 12 by kel |
I wouldnât say 2 league losses in a week after a long unbeaten run was being beat regularly but each to their own. [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 12:06]
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If you are happy with 5 wins in 21 then each to their own. I donât recall draw specialists making much ground in football either. | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:46 - Dec 12 with 1985 views | D_Alien |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:10 - Dec 12 by 1907 |
I donât get why youâre trying to argue with this guy when every single point is valid and some of the most ârealâ comments Iâve seen on this forum in some time. |
I'm not "trying to argue", i'm rebuking him for his short-sightedness and i'll rebuke you too
You posted earlier "this is one of the best posts i've ever read on here"
That's such a shite cliche; the post isn't even in the best 10,000, and that's even if you agree with it
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:53 - Dec 12 with 1948 views | kel |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:44 - Dec 12 by beat_the_bishop |
If you are happy with 5 wins in 21 then each to their own. I donât recall draw specialists making much ground in football either. |
Sorry, youâll have to remind me where I said I was happy.
Just a simple quote from one of my posts will do. [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 12:54]
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 13:18 - Dec 12 with 1904 views | 442Dale |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:46 - Dec 12 by D_Alien |
I'm not "trying to argue", i'm rebuking him for his short-sightedness and i'll rebuke you too
You posted earlier "this is one of the best posts i've ever read on here"
That's such a shite cliche; the post isn't even in the best 10,000, and that's even if you agree with it
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 13:20 - Dec 12 with 1901 views | Barrowdale |
Having finally decided to pluck up interest to watch the highlights there is no getting away from the fact that their second goal comes from our obsession to keep trying to he Man City and play out from the back. I know you could argue that our pen comes from similar but until we desist from this ludicrous system, we will continue to give hoals away for fun. Simple |  | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 13:56 - Dec 12 with 1793 views | EllDale |
We all know that the squad needs freshening up.
Some of these players arenât just knackered physically but mentally.
When youâre tired you make mistakes simple as.
A fair few of them havenât had to plays menâs football week in week out before either.
And they were all psyched up mentally for the cup tie versus Plymouth so that another two away games in six days afterwards has deflated them.
If they were tougher mentally theyâd be playing at a higher level.
Iâm not calling for the managerâs head but what worries me is that out of the cluster of teams below Dale in the table only a couple have still to come to Spotland.
We have to go to the likes of Oldham, Scunthorpe, Carlisle, Stevenage and Colchester where they will all be scrapping tooth and nail for the points.
Loose a couple of those and we could well and truly be in a relegation dogfight. | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 14:05 - Dec 12 with 1760 views | TVOS1907 |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 13:56 - Dec 12 by EllDale |
We all know that the squad needs freshening up.
Some of these players arenât just knackered physically but mentally.
When youâre tired you make mistakes simple as.
A fair few of them havenât had to plays menâs football week in week out before either.
And they were all psyched up mentally for the cup tie versus Plymouth so that another two away games in six days afterwards has deflated them.
If they were tougher mentally theyâd be playing at a higher level.
Iâm not calling for the managerâs head but what worries me is that out of the cluster of teams below Dale in the table only a couple have still to come to Spotland.
We have to go to the likes of Oldham, Scunthorpe, Carlisle, Stevenage and Colchester where they will all be scrapping tooth and nail for the points.
Loose a couple of those and we could well and truly be in a relegation dogfight. |
Carlisle excepted, there's an awful lot of football to be played between now and most of those games. | |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 14:09 - Dec 12 with 1750 views | D_Alien |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 14:05 - Dec 12 by TVOS1907 |
Carlisle excepted, there's an awful lot of football to be played between now and most of those games. |
I hope so, rather than a lot of awful football! | |
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