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Turkey move into Syria 18:49 - Oct 7 with 839 viewsjanegallagher

as Trump withdraws all US troops abandoning Kurdish troops who fought along side the US.

ISIS could rise again.

What a world we’re living in.

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Turkey move into Syria on 19:03 - Oct 7 with 829 viewsjanegallagher

Hang on, the great and powerful Oz has spoken.


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Turkey move into Syria on 19:06 - Oct 7 with 829 viewsBringBackTheRedRoom

Not ISIS, But the Turks will move in & slaughter them.

Sadly this was always going to happen whoever was President. It's one of the many reasons why non western countries don't trust the west.

‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’

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Turkey move into Syria on 19:10 - Oct 7 with 825 viewsjanegallagher

I don’t agree with you there red, think Obama would have listened to the Pentagon and defence chiefs.

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Turkey move into Syria on 19:34 - Oct 7 with 810 viewsBringBackTheRedRoom

Nah, the plan was always to use the Kurds to do the dirty work.

Remember Obama choked on bombing Syria once, and Libya is in some ways is even in a worse state after we interfered.

‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’

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Turkey move into Syria on 19:43 - Oct 7 with 802 viewsROTTWEILERS

Is that tweet bona fide?

Go Out. See People. Live Your Lives.
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Turkey move into Syria on 19:46 - Oct 7 with 794 viewsbasilrobbiereborn

I was just thinking the same thing Rott. If it is, I think he has finally gone off his rocker.

Icon? It's all Rio Ferdinand's fault.
Blog: pause for breath

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Turkey move into Syria on 19:47 - Oct 7 with 791 viewsjanegallagher

Mattis certainly wasn’t happy

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/us/politics/jim-mattis

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Turkey move into Syria on 19:56 - Oct 7 with 781 viewsjanegallagher

Good piece from Mr Kellyann Conway

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/599128/

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Turkey move into Syria on 21:03 - Oct 7 with 767 viewsspudgun

"...in my great and unmatched wisdom..."

The third person stuff , referencing himself as a "stable genius" and constant boasting was worrying, but this confirms it- a full blown Messiah complex.

Will he ever be trusted by a foreign power again after feeding the Kurds to Turkey...
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Turkey move into Syria on 17:51 - Oct 9 with 729 viewsBringBackTheRedRoom

Turkish warplanes have bombed parts of north-eastern Syria at the start of an offensive which could lead to conflict with Kurdish-led allies of the US.

Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the operation was to create a "safe zone" cleared of Kurdish militias which will also house Syrian refugees.

The strikes have killed at least two civilians, Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) said.

The group vowed to resist any Turkish advance across the border.

It asked the US and the coalition against the jihadist group Islamic State (IS) to establish a no-fly zone in the area to stop "attacks on innocent people".

The Kurds - key US allies in defeating IS in Syria - guard thousands of IS fighters and their relatives in prisons and camps in areas under their control and it is unclear whether they will continue to be safely detained.

Turkish ground forces have been massing on the border. The offensive was launched just days after President Donald Trump controversially withdrew US troops from northern Syria, a decision announced after a phone call with Mr Erdogan that sparked widespread criticism at home and abroad.

What is Turkey's plan?

On Twitter, Mr Erdogan said the mission "was to prevent the creation of a terror corridor across our southern border, and to bring peace to the area" and that it would "preserve Syria's territorial integrity and liberate local communities from terrorists."

The scale of the offensive was not yet clear, and there was no information on whether Turkish ground forces had attempted to enter Syria. Turkey plans to create a "safe zone" cleared of Kurdish militias - regarded by Ankara as terrorists - which will also house two million of Turkey's 3.6 million Syrian refugees.

Civilians were reported to be leaving the towns of Ras al-Ain and Tal Abyad, which were hit by several strikes. Two civilians had been killed and two others injured in the village of Misharrafa, west of Ras al-Ain, according to the SDF.

An agonisingly long war

BBC's Orla Guerin in Akcakale on the Turkish-Syrian border

Police vehicles have been telling civilians to leave the area, and there were sounds of artillery fire and mortar rounds. There has been incoming mortar fire from just across the border but it has not reached Turkish territory.

President Erdogan says this is the beginning of Operation Peace Spring. There is no doubt that for the Syrian civilians who are just across the border this is going to be seen as another round of battling in an agonisingly long war.

The Kurdish forces have emphasised almost frantically in the last few days that the hard-won gains in their long battle against IS are now being put at risk. The SDF have lost an estimated 11,000 fighters in battling IS. They succeeded with American help.

But they point out, for example, that they may have to withdraw their forces from prisons where they are holding IS fighters or from cities that have been liberated from IS. The Kurds are basically saying to the West: the war that we fought on your behalf is now at risk because of what Turkey wants to do.

What has the international reaction been?

The UK and France planned to request an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss the situation, and European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker urged Turkey to "halt its military operation".

Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Turkey had "legitimate security concerns" but that he expected the country to "act with restraint and to ensure that any action... is proportionate and measured.

US Senator Lindsay Graham, a close ally of Mr Trump, said he would lead an effort in Congress to "make Erdogan pay a heavy price", adding: "Pray for our Kurdish allies who have been shamelessly abandoned by the Trump Administration."

Mr Trump had responded to the criticism to his decision by threatening to "obliterate" Turkey's economy if it went "off limits" in the incursion, saying Turkey should "not do anything outside of what we would think is humane".

How would an incursion affect the IS situation?

The SDF says it is detaining more than 12,000 suspected IS members in seven prisons, and at least 4,000 of them are foreign nationals. The exact locations have not been not revealed, but some are reportedly close to the Turkish border.

Two camps - Roj and Ain Issa - holding families of suspected IS members are inside the "safe zone". Mr Trump warned Mr Erdogan if he did send troops into Syria, they would be responsible for securing captured IS fighters.

On Wednesday, IS militants reportedly carried out three suicide attacks in their former de facto capital of Raqqa. There was no confirmation of casualties.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49983357

‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’

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Turkey move into Syria on 19:01 - Oct 9 with 718 viewsspudgun

So Trump had a telephone call with Erdogan on Sunday night and then pulls USA troops out of Syria.

Turkey`s spokesperson (on Amanpour) confirms that Trump came to an arrangement with Erdogan regarding acceptable action, although she said some of Trump`s subsequent tweets were `confusing`.

This is what happens when foreign policy strategy is improvised whilst watching Fox News and eating donuts.

This alone should be grounds for impeachment...
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Turkey move into Syria on 20:12 - Oct 9 with 713 viewsBringBackTheRedRoom

Spud

I agree with your view, however this quote from the NATO Chief is also telling...

"Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Turkey had "legitimate security concerns" but that he expected the country to "act with restraint and to ensure that any action... is proportionate and measured"

There is nothing stopping UK, Germany, France etc replacing those US troops that have moved from the border, think it's a maximum of a few dozen at most.

Looks to me the West and NATO in general are not too unhappy about what Turkey is about to do.

‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’

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Turkey move into Syria on 20:24 - Oct 9 with 710 viewsspudgun

Retired General Allen was criticising Trump on CNN and he said there was 1000 American troops doing an absolutely essential job alongside the coalition troops, and removing them was possibly Trump`s worst decision.

Turkey is now violating the airspace and bombing civilians (according to CNN), so it will be interesting to see whether NATO or USA react, or whether this is considered "proportionate and measured".

Considering Turkey is holding over 2 million Syrian refugees, I guess the West would like them to be sent back to Syria (in the new buffer zone) rather than Turkey allowing them to head towards Europe. Perhaps that is why they are giving tacit approval to Turkey...
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Turkey move into Syria on 09:18 - Oct 10 with 698 viewsBringBackTheRedRoom

One of the few times recently I've gone "WTF?"


‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’

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Turkey move into Syria on 09:28 - Oct 10 with 692 viewsspudgun

Who is the guy to Trump`s left? Now that is worrying!!

Unless it was a Village People themed day at the White House...

Edit to add:

perhaps Trump has forgotten what his relatives would have been doing in WW2...
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Turkey move into Syria on 17:59 - Oct 10 with 675 viewsLala

Its awfully sad that civilians are again getting caught in the crossfire. It’s a mess and Trump doesn’t have the emotional intelligence or empathy to consider the consequences of his off the cuff decisions.

The man is way too volatile to be in any position of power. Whatever next.

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Turkey move into Syria on 19:32 - Oct 16 with 659 viewsBringBackTheRedRoom

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50075703

‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’

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Turkey move into Syria on 21:08 - Oct 16 with 647 viewsLala

Crikey. Loyalty not a strong point then. What a fool.

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Turkey move into Syria on 20:00 - Oct 17 with 635 viewsspudgun

Ceasefire brokered in a couple of hours by Pence, and Trump takes the credit! You could not make this up.

That will be for the Turkey attack on Syria that his reckless and myopic "foreign policy" facilitated in the first place.

Conspiracy theories on a postcard please to: "Stable Genius", the White House. MAGA.

`Quid pro quo`, anyone?
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Turkey move into Syria on 20:04 - Oct 17 with 634 viewsBringBackTheRedRoom

Domestic politics. That vote in the House yesterday where 129 Republicans voted with the do nothing Democrats shook him.

‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’

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Turkey move into Syria on 20:25 - Oct 17 with 630 viewsspudgun

And his spokesman today admitted that there was a `quid pro quo` in the Ukraine conversations, but it was to do with election interference and not Biden. "And it happens all the time so get over it".

Oh, I see! That clears that up then...
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