| Iran 00:10 - Jan 8 with 464 views | janegallagher |
just fired 10 rockets at US base in Iraq.
How will US respond. | |
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| Iran on 00:31 - Jan 8 with 456 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
Well, this is what he said 2 days ago.......
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| Iran on 00:48 - Jan 8 with 451 views | janegallagher |
Seems like he wants to obey the law today
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| Iran on 07:04 - Jan 8 with 443 views | Lala |
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| Iran on 07:39 - Jan 8 with 441 views | spell_chekker |
I think even those in power in the USA will realise that the situation needs diffusing. | |
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| Iran on 08:13 - Jan 8 with 438 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
Hope this is a far as it goes. Iran can say it has struck back and shown America it can. America can say it took Iran's punch and it didn't even bother them.
Sadly the "Hawks" on both sides might not be happy with that outcome. | |
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| Iran on 08:36 - Jan 8 with 434 views | basilrobbiereborn |
BBTRR
I suppose that means we are in the important role of saying "Leave it Donald, he's not worth it", while ushering POTUS to the taxi rank.
On a separate note, is it just me, or does the way they do funerals over there show a complete lack of respect for the dead? | |
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| Iran on 17:00 - Jan 8 with 417 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
BRR
Yeah, agree about the funeral thing. However think it's more a cultural thing in the Middle East (and tbf other parts of the world). Know both Jews and Muslims have what are called professional mourners.
Just watched Trump's prezzer, think the Republican Senators might have written that for him. Now just have to keep him off Twitter and stop watching Fox News for a few days.
Also thought the comment about NATO getting more involved in the Middle East was interesting, after all the digs he's had at it over the last few years. | |
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| Iran on 17:11 - Jan 8 with 415 views | spell_chekker |
What's this funeral thing then? | |
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| Iran on 17:23 - Jan 8 with 411 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
I think BRR is referring to The General's funeral in Iran the other day, when a stampede killed about 50 mourners. These big stage managed events are quite common as they are political and/or cultural as well, and have been going on since biblical times.
Also we're not immune to it in the West, remember Princess Diana? | |
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| Iran on 10:01 - Jan 9 with 394 views | Lala |
Just glad someone’s talked Boris down a bit. Whatever has happened with this plane that’s gone down though 🤷â€â™€ï¸ Very coincidental if not connected. | |
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| Iran on 20:32 - Jan 9 with 385 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
Evidence suggests an Iranian missile brought down a Ukrainian passenger plane that crashed near Tehran, possibly in error, Canadian PM Justin Trudeau has said.
Mr Trudeau called for a full and thorough investigation into the crash, which killed all 176 people on board.
Iran has ruled out a missile strike by its air defences.
The crash came just hours after Iran carried out missile strikes on two airbases housing US forces in Iraq.
CBS News quoted US intelligence sources as saying a satellite detected infrared "blips" of two missile launches, followed by another blip of an explosion.
Meanwhile, Newsweek quoted a Pentagon and senior US intelligence officials, as well as an Iraqi intelligence official, as saying they believed Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 was hit by a Russian-made Tor missile.
US President Donald Trump said on Thursday that he had "suspicions" about what happened to the plane.
Amid tensions heightened by the US killing of top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani on 3 January, Iran has said it will not hand over the recovered black box flight recorders to Boeing, the plane's manufacturer, or to the US.
Under global aviation rules Iran has the right to lead the investigation, but manufacturers are typically involved.
What does US media report?
In separate reports, CBS News and Newsweek said US and Iraqi intelligence officials were confident the Ukrainian plane was brought down by a missile fired by Iran.
CBS published a brief report on Twitter. It said this information was based on US intelligence, which sources said picked up signals of a radar being turned on.
US satellites also reportedly detected two missile launches shortly before the Ukrainian plane exploded.
Meanwhile, Newsweek quoted US and Iraqi officials as saying they believed the aircraft was hit by a Russia-built Tor M-1 surface-to-air missile system.
Two Pentagon officials assessed that the incident was accidental, Newsweek added.
It quoted sources as saying that Iran's anti-aircraft systems were probably active following its attacks on the US airbases.
The Pentagon has so far made no public comment on the issue.
Meanwhile, when asked what he thought had happened to the plane, President Trump answered: "I have my suspicions. It's a tragic thing when I see that, it's a tragic thing. But somebody could have made a mistake on the other side.
"Some people say it was mechanical. I personally, I don't think that's even a question, personally. So we'll see what happens.
"Something very terrible happened. Very devastating," Mr Trump said.
Earlier on Thursday, Oleksiy Danylov, the secretary of Ukraine's security and defence council, said in a Facebook post (in Ukrainian) that three four main possible crash causes were being considered:
an anti-aircraft missile strike, specifically a Tor missile, taking into account reports of a missile being found near the crash site
a mid-air collision with a drone or other flying object
engine destruction/explosion due to technical reasons
an explosion inside the plane as a result of a terror attack
Mr Danylov said Ukrainian investigators, who are already in Iran, wanted to search for possible debris from a missile at the site of the crash. Iran is known to have Russian missile defence systems.
The investigation would include experts who worked on the investigation into the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine, Mr Danylov added.
The UK government said it was urgently looking into reports that the Ukrainian plane may have been shot down.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson's spokesman said reports in media were "very concerning" and the government wanted to see a "full, transparent investigation".
What does Iran say?
Iran's Civil Aviation Organisation (CAOI) chief Ali Abedzadeh said: "The plane, which was initially headed west to leave the airport zone, turned right following a problem and was headed back to the airport at the moment of the crash."
Mr Abedzadeh added that witnesses saw the plane "on fire" before the crash, and that pilots had not made any distress calls before trying to return to Imam Khomeini airport.
"Several domestic and foreign flights were flying in Iranian space at the same altitude of 8,000ft (2,400m). The issue of the missile's impact on the aircraft cannot be true in any way," he said.
Mr Abedzadeh said the initial findings had been sent to Ukraine and the US, where Boeing has its headquarters.
He was earlier quoted as saying that "terrorism" had played no role in the crash.
Sweden and Canada had also been sent the findings, as their nationals were on board, he added.
Who is investigating the crash?
Normally, the US National Transportation Safety Board would have a role to play in any international investigations involving US-made Boeings. But the board must act with permission and in accordance with legislation of the foreign country concerned.
In comments published by Iran's Mehr news agency, Mr Abedzadeh, said: "We will not give the black box to the manufacturer and the Americans.
"This accident will be investigated by Iran's aviation organisation, but the Ukrainians can also be present," he added.
Mr Abedzadeh said it was not yet clear which country would analyse the black boxes - a cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky earlier said that "a thorough and independent investigation will be conducted in accordance with international law", and that he would speak to Iranian leaders to step up co-operation in investigating the crash.
Ukraine is observing a day of national mourning on Thursday.
Boeing said it was "ready to assist in any way needed", while Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his country expected to have a role in the investigation and had offered technical assistance.
What do we know?
Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 to Kyiv had 167 passengers and nine Ukrainian crew on board.
The majority of passengers were from Iran and Canada.
Ukraine's Tehran embassy initially blamed engine failure but later removed the statement, saying any comment regarding the cause of the accident prior to a commission's inquiry was not official.
here was good visibility when the plane went down near Iran's capital, according to the Flightradar24 aviation website. Officials from the airline said the crew were experienced.
Who was on board?
Among the victims were 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians including all nine crew, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Britons and three Germans, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko said. Fifteen of the dead were children.
But the German government later said "we currently have no knowledge that German citizens are among the victims of the plane crash in Iran".
Iran's head of emergency operations said 147 of the victims were Iranian. That would suggest that 65 of the foreign nationals had dual nationalities. The Ukrainian airline gave a helpline number for further information about passengers: +38-044-581-50-19.
Mr Trudeau said 138 passengers on the flight were en route to Canada via Kyiv.
"All people who won't be coming home to their parents, their friends, their colleagues or their family," he said. "All had so much potential, so much life ahead of them."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51055219 | |
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| Iran on 20:58 - Jan 9 with 381 views | janegallagher |
Hannity on Fox News
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| Iran on 22:00 - Jan 9 with 372 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
So now we know what Murdoch, Fox News, Alt Right, Nutcases, etc, etc, etc...... want. Really hope someone has taken Trump's phones off him and keeps him away from the TV for the next few days. | |
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| Iran on 09:19 - Jan 10 with 365 views | Lala |
82 Iranians on the flight. You’d like to assume therefore if it was shot down it wasn’t an intended target. | |
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| Iran on 09:28 - Jan 10 with 361 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
Sadly this sort of thing will happen in war (Airlines risk assessment will be it's cheaper to pay out the insurance then re-route planes round conflict zones).
Wonder if it was the same Russian built missile system that shot down the plane in The Ukraine.
Very sad whatever happened. | |
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| Iran on 13:20 - Jan 14 with 356 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
Boris Johnson: Replace Iran nuclear plan with 'Trump deal', says PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51104386 | |
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| Iran on 18:38 - Jan 14 with 346 views | spudgun |
Even at this early stage I am beginning to mildly despair at Johnson`s woolly vagueness when it comes to detail and direction about anything.
Other than to keep Trump happy at all costs I expect.
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| Iran on 22:12 - Jan 14 with 341 views | janegallagher |
Trump just wants to destroy his predecessor’s legacy
Look at the contrast.
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| Iran on 13:03 - Jan 15 with 331 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
Watched an interview sometime last year with a couple of ex Trump White House employees (can't remember who, or which network, might have been CBS). They basically said that Trump would settle for the same deal with Iran, with a few minor tweaks, as long as it was his name on the deal.
Ego or what?
Watched the Democrat debate last night (or bits of it), finished off a disappointing day all round. | |
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