Jos Hooiveld has been signed permanently although the question is how ?

Its been announced that Jos Hooiveld has been signed permanently by Saints, despite the transfer window not being opened for another month, its stated on the official site that this is possible because Hooiveld is currently registered with the club, however this sounds somewhat baffling

A normal loan signing would be just that, with the parent club retaining registration of the player and therefore the ability to recall the player etc, however according to Saints Hooiveld is already registered with Saints which suggest his manner of signing is on different lines to the usual loan signings.

It suggests that Hooiveld was actually sold to Saints in September rather than loaned as his registration seems to have been transferred from Celtic to Saints back then as in a normal transfer, otherwise how could Saints sign him now, many loan signing done near deadline day are done with deals tied for a permanent move in January, this is because there hasnt been time to change the registration of a player from club to club so a loan move and agreement is the only way round the timescale problem.

But Saints seem to have found a way round this, but the only way they could actually sign the player now is if he was either transferred back in September or his contract with Celtic was effectively cancelled back then making him a free agent, as free agents on deadline day would be able to sign for another club at any time outside of the window.

Its all very strange and difficult to comprehend, but on the face of it it seems that he hasnt been on loan all along but actually registered with Saints and their player, this suggests that we have might actually have bought him in September but on a sort of sale or return basis, meaning that there was a clause in the agreement where we could effectively sell him back to Celtic within a certain time period, whatever the reason it sounds very strange as to why we didnt just announce that we had bought him in September.   

Its all very baffling and although there could be some logic in it somewhere its hard to see why either a permanent transfer back then or a bog standard loan wouldnt have just as good. 

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SalisburySaint added 13:54 - Dec 1 The Official Site emphasises the role played by our chairman, so he has obviously found a way to make the deal permanant
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SaintDavo added 14:13 - Dec 1 To be honest, who cares...a great signing !
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SaintNick added 14:19 - Dec 1 Im not sure it is a great signing, only time will tell, we are not great in the centre of defence 6 goals leaked in our last five games isnt good. If he cost £100,000 yes could be a great signing if he cost £1 million might not be
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Toussaint added 17:52 - Dec 1 If we made a down payment and agreed a fee before he came,i think the loaning club, could then buy the player at any time during the course of the loan...
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stmichael added 18:18 - Dec 1 At a million he would be a steal. Great signing and easily capable of playing at the next level. Elated at thus signing.
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bstokesaint added 18:54 - Dec 1 I've got to admit I don't care how it's happened. It's not going to be anything dodgy. We haven't exactly signed him from Pompey have we? Plus like previous poster has stated a £1m wouldn't be over the top. In my opinion he has been excellent since he first arrived and is an ideal replacement for Jaidhi, especially when you're looking for someone to win everything in the air. I don't think there is enough credit being given here Nick.

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st_bangkok added 06:08 - Dec 2 Hang on, is it not possible he was on loan with an agreement that we could sign him in January, but that we have now agreed it all with Celtic and in effect thus enter into a pre-sale agreement which only becomes official in Jan? I am sure that has been done before.
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7mongoose added 09:36 - Dec 2 I think st_bangkok may be right in theory but whether it is the case here who knows, and frankly, as mentioned by nearly all and sundrie, who cares. Cortese seems to do things in his own way and gets things done and done properly so there can't be question marks over whether we have in fact signed him. If he was on loan or signed earlier, again, who cares but it seems that we had the option to sign him if on loan or to send him back to Celtic if signed. As for the fee, in my humble opinion (and everyone has their own) Cortese would not pay over the odds and Celtic clearly didn't want him and he has done a good job here (especially with Fonte not playing to his best at times) so I am sure we paid a fair price and whatever that may have been it could be a very good signing indeed.

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SaintDavo added 11:25 - Dec 2 I dont know why i bother posting on here...Nick you are the most annoying **** on the planet !!! I know we all have our own opinions and we cant all agree all the time. How can you say this is not a great signing ? If this was not a permanent deal, however it happened, and who cares...who would have been playing CB with JFB ??? any suggestions ??? ohh...perhaps we were signing Vidic in january were we... I think you have been doing this too long and it's time you left it to someone who is more objective... "If he cost £100,000 yes could be a great signing" ...what planet are you from again ???

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