| So if we did go down??? 13:13 - Apr 25 with 9660 views | TGRRRSSS |
Would you advocate Les Ferdinand as well as IH being sacked?
The reason I mention this is the credit he was getting when things started to look better but now...
Just asking the question my view is we will stay up and be better for it next season, I'd even say maintain status quo regardless, but even I am starting to get a few jitters... |  | | |  |
| So if we did go down??? on 13:33 - Apr 25 with 5413 views | knocker |
100% yes. |  | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 13:35 - Apr 25 with 5392 views | PinnerPaul |
Put a £1 on for every jitter and you'll make a fortune at 66/1 | | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 13:40 - Apr 25 with 5373 views | daveB |
He should stay but he'll probably go as the social media mob have been after him for ages |  | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 13:42 - Apr 25 with 5364 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Could we park this debate another fortnight? |  |
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| So if we did go down??? on 13:43 - Apr 25 with 5359 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
On a positive note, we will have 10M more than every other side in D1 |  |
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| So if we did go down??? on 13:44 - Apr 25 with 5354 views | The_Mole |
I've said it before, but I genuinely don't see how a club our size, with a manager, astute CEO and now chief scout, needs a DOF?
It isn't a witch hunt about Les, keep him at the club in some ambassador role if possible, but I can't help but feel some the DOF role is currently interfering in the managers decisions thus contributing to our recent slump in form... |  | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 13:44 - Apr 25 with 5355 views | aston_hoop |
He'll get forced out I'm sure and then the next thing we'll try will fail too and the thing after and then maybe we'll stumble on something that works for a season. But then we have no long term plan and everything is shite again for a few years while we sack our way through more and more people and more and more players, experienced, young, foreign, domestic, whatever. Until we go back and do it again. I think thats the QPR way now. fck this. |  |
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| So if we did go down??? on 13:54 - Apr 25 with 5302 views | smegma |
I'll cross that bridge when we get there.....
Dumb question of the year by a country mile. | | | |
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| So if we did go down??? on 13:59 - Apr 25 with 5274 views | daveB |
| So if we did go down??? on 13:44 - Apr 25 by The_Mole |
I've said it before, but I genuinely don't see how a club our size, with a manager, astute CEO and now chief scout, needs a DOF?
It isn't a witch hunt about Les, keep him at the club in some ambassador role if possible, but I can't help but feel some the DOF role is currently interfering in the managers decisions thus contributing to our recent slump in form... |
You only have to see what a mess the club got in without one to see that a club like ours with an owner who is clueless and will put the club in jeopardy at the whim of a manager to know we needed a football person inbetween the owners and the manager to look after the club.
The club have had someone doing this role for years they've just had different titles and or other responsibilities as well. It's a bit of a stretch to blame our recent form on having a DOF regardless of who he is.
It's a real shame that when the club finally try and do things the right way that it goes tits up still | | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:09 - Apr 25 with 5239 views | Northernr |
| So if we did go down??? on 13:44 - Apr 25 by The_Mole |
I've said it before, but I genuinely don't see how a club our size, with a manager, astute CEO and now chief scout, needs a DOF?
It isn't a witch hunt about Les, keep him at the club in some ambassador role if possible, but I can't help but feel some the DOF role is currently interfering in the managers decisions thus contributing to our recent slump in form... |
A club with a board like ours needs a DOF more than most.
No he shouldn't be sacked regardless of what happens. |  | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:15 - Apr 25 with 5211 views | Hunterhoop |
Answer: Good God, NO!
The key to Watford's success, is the fact that they're had stability at DoF level. It's the first team coach who, in their model, is disposable, hence why they succeed with changing managers so often. Without the DoF it'd be a disaster.
Secondly, we've been a disaster off the field, and, excluding one season under Warnock, a disaster on it too without a DoF. Our finances, playing staff wage bill, signings, community work, youth infrastructure, scouting network, relationship with past players, and "path to the 1st Team" for youth players, have all improved significantly since Les has been here.
So, yes, I'd stick with the DoF above and beyond anything, especially if we go down (which I doubt we will).
And there is absolutely no evidence anywhere (in fact it's been dispelled countless times) that the DoF has any influence over the first team selection, formation, etc. This 2nd run of 6 losses has come at a time when we can make no signings, after a Jan when Holloway said he was happy with our acquisitions (and we were playing well!). This is on Holloway. He knows it too, which is the reason behind some of his recent comments.
Nevertheless, I'll continue to support him and I think that given time too, he'll get things right on the pitch as well. ESPECIALLY IF HE STARTS PLAYING WITH SOME WIDTH! |  | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:18 - Apr 25 with 5200 views | TacticalR |
I am a bit puzzled by the insatiable desire to get rid of everyone and everything. I suppose it beats thinking. |  |
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| So if we did go down??? on 14:19 - Apr 25 with 5195 views | RangersDave |
No other job I know rewards failure with job security.
You could say that appointing 3 ( 2 so far) failed managers is failing to do his job properly, costing money and possibly to the detriment of the QPR company, especially should we get relegated and still have to pay 3 years of Ollies contract.
I saw no use for Les when he started, and so far he has yet to prove my opinion of him wrong.
A shame though, as the old boys brought 'something' back, but heck, stay in his job for failure.
I'm pretty sure each and every one of you reading this wouldn't expect to still be in your jobs if you failed 3 times in such a manner? |  |
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| So if we did go down??? on 14:26 - Apr 25 with 5178 views | Match82 |
This club finally looks like it's getting it's soul back. Ferdinand, Hoos and Holloway to varying degrees have all had a part in that. In the unlikely event that we go down, Holloway probably needs to bear the responsibility for that, but Ferdinands job is to create the environment within the club for the manager to suceed, whi choose he surely has done. I am amazed that anybody can look at what where we are now compared to when he came in and think that the club is in a worse place than when he joined. |  | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:31 - Apr 25 with 5165 views | TheChef |
Yes the answer as ever is sack everyone, employ a whole new staff and rename the club Kneejerk Wahwahboohoo FC. |  |
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| So if we did go down??? on 14:36 - Apr 25 with 5139 views | Toast_R |
I'm guessing a large part of his job is to make QPR a sustainable club with the help of the CEO. There must have been a huge amount of work to do in clearing out the players on astronomical wages who also felt they were too good to be playing for QPR outside the Premier League. He has off loaded most of them including that waste of space Sandro. QPR have apparently made money for the first time in years in selling off players that didnt want to be at the club anymore.
I would suggest his only weakness so far has been the management appointments for different reasons. Chris Ramsey, never a popular choice. JFH too negative and perhaps out a little too inexperienced for the level QPR were at. Ian Holloway... at a time the support was getting ever more volatile and irate, I feel Holloway was a feel good tub thumping appointment for the masses. One might suggest the easy option to quieten the situation but it's still too early to say it's been a disaster. As long as QPR avoid the drop, it's job done for the season. It's all about next season and there will then have to be progress on the pitch. |  | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:38 - Apr 25 with 5132 views | hoof_hearted |
Sometimes I wonder if the internet is just a front for a football agent's united world domination plan where they earn a fortune from a sacking and recruiting the same people over and over again. |  | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:40 - Apr 25 with 5128 views | Northernr |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:19 - Apr 25 by RangersDave |
No other job I know rewards failure with job security.
You could say that appointing 3 ( 2 so far) failed managers is failing to do his job properly, costing money and possibly to the detriment of the QPR company, especially should we get relegated and still have to pay 3 years of Ollies contract.
I saw no use for Les when he started, and so far he has yet to prove my opinion of him wrong.
A shame though, as the old boys brought 'something' back, but heck, stay in his job for failure.
I'm pretty sure each and every one of you reading this wouldn't expect to still be in your jobs if you failed 3 times in such a manner? |
"No other job I know rewards failure with job security."
I presume this is a wind up? Job security? Football? QPR? | | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:52 - Apr 25 with 5096 views | hoof_hearted |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:40 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
"No other job I know rewards failure with job security."
I presume this is a wind up? Job security? Football? QPR? |
Winston Bogarde?
Or at QPR, SWP?
Both set for life by barely kicking a ball for a few years. Not a job for life but a pay packet to last a lifetime. | | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:52 - Apr 25 with 5097 views | paulparker |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:40 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
"No other job I know rewards failure with job security."
I presume this is a wind up? Job security? Football? QPR? |
I wouldn't put the blame on Les if the worst happened he has done more good than bad
TF on the other hand should be strung from the nearest lamppost on the south Africa road , this man since 2011 has systematically made us a shambles on and off the pitch with stunning ineptitude yet still gets an easy ride with the fan base |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| So if we did go down??? on 14:54 - Apr 25 with 5094 views | TacticalR |
Do the goldfish gang ever wonder why the previous set of expulsions didn't work? Of course not, they are too busy calling for the next set of expulsions. | |
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| So if we did go down??? on 15:01 - Apr 25 with 5064 views | Northernr |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:52 - Apr 25 by hoof_hearted |
Winston Bogarde?
Or at QPR, SWP?
Both set for life by barely kicking a ball for a few years. Not a job for life but a pay packet to last a lifetime. |
Yeh they're players, this is about Les Ferdinand isn't it? I struggle to think of any job that offers less security than football management and administration. | | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 15:04 - Apr 25 with 5048 views | hoof_hearted |
| So if we did go down??? on 15:01 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Yeh they're players, this is about Les Ferdinand isn't it? I struggle to think of any job that offers less security than football management and administration. |
Give me a minute to think of one...
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Bruce Forsyths fluffer. | | | |
| So if we did go down??? on 15:13 - Apr 25 with 5018 views | simmo |
| So if we did go down??? on 13:44 - Apr 25 by The_Mole |
I've said it before, but I genuinely don't see how a club our size, with a manager, astute CEO and now chief scout, needs a DOF?
It isn't a witch hunt about Les, keep him at the club in some ambassador role if possible, but I can't help but feel some the DOF role is currently interfering in the managers decisions thus contributing to our recent slump in form... |
"but I can't help but feel some the DOF role is currently interfering in the managers decisions"
Before it was his 'black agenda', now apparently he's interfering in decisions even though every manager under his tenure has played completely different football and consistently chosen completely different players in different positions. Give it a rest... |  |
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| So if we did go down??? on 15:23 - Apr 25 with 4998 views | daveB |
| So if we did go down??? on 14:19 - Apr 25 by RangersDave |
No other job I know rewards failure with job security.
You could say that appointing 3 ( 2 so far) failed managers is failing to do his job properly, costing money and possibly to the detriment of the QPR company, especially should we get relegated and still have to pay 3 years of Ollies contract.
I saw no use for Les when he started, and so far he has yet to prove my opinion of him wrong.
A shame though, as the old boys brought 'something' back, but heck, stay in his job for failure.
I'm pretty sure each and every one of you reading this wouldn't expect to still be in your jobs if you failed 3 times in such a manner? |
If it was only Ferdinands decision you might have a point but Hoos, Rueben and Fernandes were involved in the final decision. Ferdinand wanted Rowett the last two times and was turned down.
Once Holloway got in the door and spoke to Fernandes he was always going to be the favourite, he's a fantastic talker and you'd struggle to not be impressed with him after 5 minutes. | | | |
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