| England players who never fulfill their potential 13:39 - Jun 20 with 3615 views | Clive_Anderson |
I was thinking about this when watching Rooney lurching about like a flying potato last night. Some of the brightest English players never quite make it as well as you hope.
Rooney - better at 18 than at 29 - at one point he was much better than Ronaldo.
Owen - career pretty much finished at 24
Joe Cole - Gradually got worse and was on the scrapheap at 30
Gazza - Never recovered from his knee injury
Plus a whole load of players that look like great prospects for a couple of seasons and then gradually fade away. Ledley King, Woodgate, Micah Richards, Lennon, Karl Walker, er.. SWP. Can probably add Andros Townsend to that in a couple of years.
Plus you also have the big name players that never seem to do it for England such as Barnes, Gerrard and Lampard.
I'm wondering if it's just an English problem. Do they think they've made it at 19 and stop putting the training in? |  | | |  |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 13:42 - Jun 20 with 3606 views | simmo |
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:11 - Jun 20 with 3563 views | Tonto |
to be fair Owen was affected by injuries too...
but I think its a much quicker and easier thread to answer if you ask which ones HAVE lived up to their full potential... |  |
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:17 - Jun 20 with 3549 views | Clive_Anderson |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:11 - Jun 20 by Tonto |
to be fair Owen was affected by injuries too...
but I think its a much quicker and easier thread to answer if you ask which ones HAVE lived up to their full potential... |
A lot of our best players seem to pick up the bad injuries. Owen, Shearer, Gazza etc.
Last one to live up to their full potential...Lineker? | | | |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:21 - Jun 20 with 3535 views | Bluce_Ree |
Robbie Fowler should have done more. |  |
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:22 - Jun 20 with 3529 views | bosh67 |
To be fair neither Walker or Townsend were fit.
Rooney is a weird one. I just don't think he is world class internationally. He's an amazing club player and he has scored 40 goals for England. Peter Crouch scored 22 in 42 for England and got dropped with most people, apart from us, saying he wasn't up to it. Rooney has scored 40 in 94 games and that's not bad at all, except for the fact that most people think he is the chosen one. He is one of the world's best club players but internationally he isn't as good as Ronaldo, Messi, etc.
Micah Richards is still only 24 and has had a lot of injuries. However, on form and fit he is a fantastic player and that's why I would like to see him longterm alongside Ned here.
Some players like Joe Cole have a few amazing years and that is it. It does happen. Some players bloom at 18/19 and peek at 25, others spring to life at 24 and 25 onwards.
I actually think that Lampard always played well or well enough for England while Gerrard, another fantastic club player, has never really done it game in game out. Lampard scored 1 in 3 for England. Gerrard more like 1 in 6. Still okay but nowhere near as effective as Lampard.
Daniel Sturridge looks like the real deal and I think he will be a big player for us. |  |
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:23 - Jun 20 with 3525 views | Clive_Anderson |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:21 - Jun 20 by Bluce_Ree |
Robbie Fowler should have done more. |
Shit yeah I forgot about him, he was amazing for about two years and then lived off it afterwards for about 15 years.
Always thought McManaman was overrated though. | | | |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:30 - Jun 20 with 3510 views | MrSheen |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:23 - Jun 20 by Clive_Anderson |
Shit yeah I forgot about him, he was amazing for about two years and then lived off it afterwards for about 15 years.
Always thought McManaman was overrated though. |
Fowler came on as sub when England were 4-1 up on Holland and headed over from five yards. I've always felt that if he had scored his international career could have taken off. P*ssed away his best years with poor fitness but still ended up a mutli-millionaire. |  | | |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:33 - Jun 20 with 3502 views | willis1980 |
i always thought fowler and wright would do more as england players.
macmannaman seemed to have terrible ball control | | | |
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 14:57 - Jun 20 with 3467 views | MedwayR |
I think it can be a range of reasons from injuries, just not being as good as they were made out to be or making the wrong career move (Rodwell & Adam Johnson to Man City for example).
But I also think that we have a few reasons across the board:
1) Our players rarely play abroad so they don't get to experience different types of football or leave their comfort zones, this can develop their personalities as much as their football.
2) Between the ages of 18-21 players may make a few appearances (McEachren for example) that will have everyone talking about them but then they'll only get a handful of opportunities to play over the next few seasons which hampers their development. They then seem to go on loan forever playing in most cases in environments which don't stretch their abilities, it's just football for the sake of it.
3) Once a player makes the step up to regular 1st team football, whether at his club or on loan, he enters a cycle of play-recover-play-recover where time & effort isn't put into developing a player, so whatever talent he has at that point of time is the talent that he will have throughout his career with very little improvement. I think Rooney has suffered from this. |  |
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:10 - Jun 20 with 3448 views | paulparker |
god where do you start on this thread, so many players who didn't either live to the hype, wasn't played, or were injured non stop
wasn't played enough
Le Tiss
Collymore
Sir Les ( if he was playing now he would be world class and 1st name on the list )
Micah Richards
Ian Wright
Stan Bowles
Robbie Fowler
Jermain Defoe
injured
Woodgate
Ledley King
Theo Walcott
Dean Ashton
Kevin Beattie
Owen Hargreaves
Chris Kirkland
David Hirst
Didn't Live up to the Hype
David Bentley
Steve Mcmanaman
Joe Cole
Karl Walker
John Barnes
Jack Wiltshire ( although still time) |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:33 - Jun 20 with 3415 views | MrSheen |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:10 - Jun 20 by paulparker |
god where do you start on this thread, so many players who didn't either live to the hype, wasn't played, or were injured non stop
wasn't played enough
Le Tiss
Collymore
Sir Les ( if he was playing now he would be world class and 1st name on the list )
Micah Richards
Ian Wright
Stan Bowles
Robbie Fowler
Jermain Defoe
injured
Woodgate
Ledley King
Theo Walcott
Dean Ashton
Kevin Beattie
Owen Hargreaves
Chris Kirkland
David Hirst
Didn't Live up to the Hype
David Bentley
Steve Mcmanaman
Joe Cole
Karl Walker
John Barnes
Jack Wiltshire ( although still time) |
Ask a City fan about Paul Lake. Watch them well up. | | | |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:36 - Jun 20 with 3409 views | paulparker |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:33 - Jun 20 by MrSheen |
Ask a City fan about Paul Lake. Watch them well up. |
yes I forgot him also wasn't there a winger called White ?? about that era who only got 1 cap he looked good but faded away | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:43 - Jun 20 with 3386 views | Discodroid |
for me, its one of my latter day hero's kevin gallen. so highly thought off by fellow pro's in the know.
a player that should have gone on to win 5o england caps if it wasnt for that fackin injury at portsmouth.
still a class act obv and a rangers man, but not the player we saw bursting on the scene c up at old trafford and the fololwing season until his injury.
sure he playd for the u-21 england side
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:45 - Jun 20 with 3379 views | Discodroid |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:36 - Jun 20 by paulparker |
yes I forgot him also wasn't there a winger called White ?? about that era who only got 1 cap he looked good but faded away |
david white.(fat as a house now)
david hirst was a good player to
the dear departed laurie cunningham was another not to live up to the heights he once set either [Post edited 20 Jun 2014 15:47]
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:48 - Jun 20 with 3369 views | WeaverQPR |
Gazza |  |
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:54 - Jun 20 with 3355 views | paulparker |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:45 - Jun 20 by Discodroid |
david white.(fat as a house now)
david hirst was a good player to
the dear departed laurie cunningham was another not to live up to the heights he once set either [Post edited 20 Jun 2014 15:47]
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Great Shout On lawrie Cunningham , Greenwood totally ignored him which was criminal
also My dads fav player Big Cyril Regis , what a beast he could have been for England and to think the receding hairline of mark hateley and Kerry "2 grams for £70 quid " Dixon played more than him
Tricky Trev Sinclair should have played for England long before he did
that season in 96 he pretty much nearly kept us up on his own, he was a f ucking world beater that year and would have been a great player to bring on in Euro 96 | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:58 - Jun 20 with 3335 views | HollowayRanger |
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 16:04 - Jun 20 with 3326 views | themodfather |
do we just over rate them, when so ordinary?
do we put too much pressure on donuts, and then get upset when the filling bursts out?
the question should be, why do so few bust a gut playing for england! where's the new adams? pearce? can you see cahill chest thumping and yelling for more? no
it's all hair cuts, colour boots and ear phones....time for the fa to stop lavishing luxury for failure. | | | |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 16:22 - Jun 20 with 3295 views | Hayesender |
Lee Hendrie
Andy (Andrew) Cole
Richard Wright
Michael Carrick |  |
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| England players who never fulfill their potential on 16:44 - Jun 20 with 3261 views | izlingtonhoop |
In Walcott's case it's quite a professional paradox. He is quite obviously inordinately blessed ability wise, but his body just isn't up to doing what he asks it to do.
I'm trying to find an analogy in another profession. A barrister allergic to horse hair? A singer who's throat keeps popping? - Paul Young |  | | |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 16:58 - Jun 20 with 3234 views | MrSheen |
| England players who never fulfill their potential on 15:36 - Jun 20 by paulparker |
yes I forgot him also wasn't there a winger called White ?? about that era who only got 1 cap he looked good but faded away |
David White's one cap was in David Bardsley's debut (half of his England appearances). | | | |
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