| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? 12:13 - Mar 24 with 9472 views | SomersetHoops |
If as seems likely The Scots vote for a majority of Scottish Nationalists to be their Westminster MPS, should the English and Welsh vote to decide whether we want them making decisions for us, when they have their own parliament? My view is that they already, unfairly get a significantly higher proportion of UK GDP than England does and if they vote to be nationalist we should let them have their way. I am concerned by the posturing of Scottish Nationalist politicians saying they will use their power to influence decisions at Westminster to try to get an even bigger financial benefit and seem to propose massive expenditure in Scotland at our expense.
If Scotland decide that they want Scottish nationalists, Its time we had a bit more nationalism in England. At the very least Scottish politicians should be barred from voting on English issues where the equivalent Scottish issues are decided in the Scottish Parliament. |  |
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 12:32 - Mar 24 with 8145 views | Discodroids |
i hope i dont upset my good friend karl , but im sick of seeing sturgeon flexing her deltoids like a kamp aufseherinnen modern day IIse Koch..she seems to have millybandy tied up to her cha cha heels like the nubian high priestess of corrective punishment next to the islam education center in poplar(opening hours 8 till late).
Sturgeon could hold the balance of power in a hung Parliament, allowing her to make what she this week called an ‘informal’ partnership with Labour to put Ed Miliband in Downing Street and ‘lock the Tories out of government’.
fair enough love
but its a bit fkn rich for a woman who hated thatcher and who correctly states ‘no one’ in Scotland had voted for, but Sturgeon herself (who no one in England will have voted for) would be able to determine the fate of almost 60 million people in the rest of the United Kingdom.
what with alex salmond swaggering around like al capone , it boils my waste matter to levels that rival cystic fibrosis patients having to pay for their extensive perscriptions in portsmouth but not in stenhousemuir.
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 12:36 - Mar 24 with 8134 views | ElHoop |
No don't stop them - let them have a go - they'll learn. |  | | |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 12:44 - Mar 24 with 8101 views | johncharles |
They were bags packed and ready to go until Cameron, Darling and Clegg joined forces to stop them.  |  |
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 13:44 - Mar 24 with 8005 views | karl |
Never upsets me when it's a proper debate about pro's and cons of UK.
Most might remember I voted to keep UK but there are sound reasons why Scotland keeps looking for more autonomy and obviously other areas should possibly do the same. Clearest point to be made is that if you have devolved power on something like education then it goes without saying that you shouldn't have a vote on another regions education policy.
If I was the SNP I would stay well clear of Westminster government cabinet issues and just use the potential large block of votes to dictate policy on areas of definite Scottish policy, jump into bed like the Lib Dens have done and they will lose votes at home and get blamed for all manner of poor decisions elsewhere.
I think Salmond is doing a bit of grandstanding and someone needs to call his bluff, Sturgeon will be running the election in Scotland but I guarantee Salmond will be the person you see on a daily basis in England, he's a slippery beggar for sure.
And Sturgeon was always 'Wee Burney' when she first appeared publicly, Mary Doll came after.
Edit: 4 ego's? Maybe more appropriate that 'areas' [Post edited 24 Mar 2015 14:49]
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 13:52 - Mar 24 with 7986 views | THEBUSH |
The Scots voted to stay in the UK, so as long as everyone abides by the laws of the land, nothing else to say  |  | | |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 14:06 - Mar 24 with 7954 views | RangersDave |
Ok I'll say it........feck em!
Get rid, teach them a lesson that we don't really want them but will put up with them if they start to be sensible and abide by the British Governments, and the majority of this country's wishes.
Salmond's said after the no vote, 'that's it.......for now' meaning they want a second bite of the cherry.
Well bad luck sweaty, feck right off and fend for yourselves.......we'll see you in 6 months down by Adians Wall begging for a bale out and help from us pushovers. [Post edited 24 Mar 2015 14:07]
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 14:46 - Mar 24 with 7896 views | loftboy |
Firstly I think it's wrong that they effectively have two bites of the cherry, but as a United Kingdom which is what the general election is polling for then if the SNP get members into parliament then it's through democratic means and will representing what the majority of their constituents voted for, can't go meddling with democracy just because we deem it unfair to us. |  |
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 14:59 - Mar 24 with 7873 views | QPR_John |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 14:46 - Mar 24 by loftboy |
Firstly I think it's wrong that they effectively have two bites of the cherry, but as a United Kingdom which is what the general election is polling for then if the SNP get members into parliament then it's through democratic means and will representing what the majority of their constituents voted for, can't go meddling with democracy just because we deem it unfair to us. |
Fair enough if the SNP accept Scotland being ruled by possibly a Tory Government that nobody in Scotland voted for. But of course they will not and continue to say how unfair it is while being prepared to influence events in England when nobody in England voted for them. The hypocrisy stinks. |  | | |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 15:42 - Mar 24 with 7822 views | Dorse |
It's irritating but it's the system we've got. If the other mob get a big enough majority then Sturgeon, Salmond, McGoldfish or whoever can do one.
By the way - Ilse Koch? Oy gevalt. |  |
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 17:01 - Mar 24 with 7771 views | ElHoop |
The Tories will probably get a bigger percentage of the vote in Scotland than UKIP will in England. | | | |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 19:28 - Mar 24 with 7698 views | Mark1 |
All the Scots I know can't stand the SNP. | | | |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 19:35 - Mar 24 with 7686 views | DWQPR |
Still cannot make the SNP out, whether they are right of centre, left of centre or just centre or just pander to whatever popularist views. They are hypocritical and certainly racist towards the English and quite frankly I really now wish they had got their way (sorry Karl), last September. With the oil price as it now is and likely to fall further it woud really fück up Salmonds/Sturgeons ambitions of setting up a sovereign wealth fund for the Scots, and their spending plans would see them make Greece look like a well run nation. | |
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 20:41 - Mar 24 with 7642 views | karl |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 19:35 - Mar 24 by DWQPR |
Still cannot make the SNP out, whether they are right of centre, left of centre or just centre or just pander to whatever popularist views. They are hypocritical and certainly racist towards the English and quite frankly I really now wish they had got their way (sorry Karl), last September. With the oil price as it now is and likely to fall further it woud really fück up Salmonds/Sturgeons ambitions of setting up a sovereign wealth fund for the Scots, and their spending plans would see them make Greece look like a well run nation. |
Honestly no offence taken at very valid points.
SNP at present are seen as left of centre in Scotland but in the 70's and 80's they were nicknamed the 'Tartan Tories' but during this time only ever held one seat, the Western Isles. It was Jim Sillars and Alex Salmond that led the party to the left as they understood that is where Scotland votes and they have taken Labour and won so far as we can tell atm but realistically that was in a backlash against Blair and less to do with 'Scottish Labour'.
Many shout about Scotland wanting it's cake etc etc but in many ways the situation we are in now is the result of protesting against many of the things I see complaints about on here and the SNP have been clever enough to take advantage and build upon it.
My area and others don't benefit locally from SNP being in power but in all honesty I'm happy with how they run the devolved government and apart from the extra layers of cost I think devolution for other areas is perfect sense as we get quick local decisions and don't have to wait for the clanking Westminster political run system to eventually get round to decisions when it suits party whips to allow a vote or not. i think jealousy of our political situation (forget any money arguments just now) cloud many peoples judgement when they slagging off Scotland imo | | | |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 21:01 - Mar 24 with 7606 views | kensalriser |
Karl, I think some of the slagging off is from those who just like an excuse to have a pop at people they perceive to be different or have a distinct identity. Maybe some petulance too because Scotland wanting to leave the UK is seen to be an insult to England (a colonial attitude?) .
Personally I think it's up to the people of Scotland to decide and I'm fine with it either way - although I think leaving would be bonkers, just as the UK leaving the EU would also be bonkers. |  |
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 21:38 - Mar 24 with 7556 views | Metallica_Hoop |
My only worry is the pro-integration SNP do a deal with Labour to do a Lisbon without a referendum. (As the last govt did as the EU changed the the wording as they knew the result would be resounding no) |  |
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 21:51 - Mar 24 with 7543 views | karl |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 21:38 - Mar 24 by Metallica_Hoop |
My only worry is the pro-integration SNP do a deal with Labour to do a Lisbon without a referendum. (As the last govt did as the EU changed the the wording as they knew the result would be resounding no) |
It does make you wonder if thats a goal Met?
The noises up here are that realistically there will be a push for another referendum roughly 10 yrs time, i honestly think if they try a backdoor deal there would be a backlash they would lose face over and the one thing they consistently have been able to do has been to claim to generally be transparent in their dealings. | | | |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 22:14 - Mar 24 with 7524 views | CiderwithRsie |
Back in the late Victorian period all of Ireland outside Ulster elected Irish nationalist MPs and for a generation British politics were gridlocked as a result. Ultimately it led to Irish independence.
I think there's a serious risk of something similar happening.
I find the whole thing deeply depressing. I once took a train from Croatia back to London. We stopped at the Slovenian border and a Croatian guy on his way to his home in Germany said "here they come with their stupid boots and uniforms and their guns to check all of our papers. And in another hour we'll be through Slovenia and we'll have the same stupid stuff again." And he was right.
We're heading the same way in this country with borders all over these islands and small minded parochialism ruling. | | | |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 23:02 - Mar 24 with 7483 views | Metallica_Hoop |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 21:51 - Mar 24 by karl |
It does make you wonder if thats a goal Met?
The noises up here are that realistically there will be a push for another referendum roughly 10 yrs time, i honestly think if they try a backdoor deal there would be a backlash they would lose face over and the one thing they consistently have been able to do has been to claim to generally be transparent in their dealings. |
I can't certain but my gut feeling.
Weird paradox get rid of England sell your soul to the EU.
Queen Marie (Mary) would be very pleased. | |
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| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 23:11 - Mar 24 with 7471 views | ganjR |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 21:51 - Mar 24 by karl |
It does make you wonder if thats a goal Met?
The noises up here are that realistically there will be a push for another referendum roughly 10 yrs time, i honestly think if they try a backdoor deal there would be a backlash they would lose face over and the one thing they consistently have been able to do has been to claim to generally be transparent in their dealings. |
I have family who work in the Scottish office and I doubt it'll be as long as 10 years for a new referendum vote.
I agree with you about devolving powers to the islands and a form of federalism as such. |  | | |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 23:30 - Mar 24 with 7462 views | karl |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 23:11 - Mar 24 by ganjR |
I have family who work in the Scottish office and I doubt it'll be as long as 10 years for a new referendum vote.
I agree with you about devolving powers to the islands and a form of federalism as such. |
Jesus Ganj, devolving power to our council?
Haha, there is now the 3 island groups forming a 'lobbying' group so wouldnt be surprised to have more autonomy. Not forgetting of course that we had 3 of the biggest NO votes so would make political sense for SNP to 'isolate' us, they give the Western Isles loads of 'extras' we don't get so that could be a hard one for them to bypass though. | | | |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 00:38 - Mar 25 with 7445 views | ganjR |
| Should we vote to eject Scotland from the UK? on 23:30 - Mar 24 by karl |
Jesus Ganj, devolving power to our council?
Haha, there is now the 3 island groups forming a 'lobbying' group so wouldnt be surprised to have more autonomy. Not forgetting of course that we had 3 of the biggest NO votes so would make political sense for SNP to 'isolate' us, they give the Western Isles loads of 'extras' we don't get so that could be a hard one for them to bypass though. |
Don't worry, I aim to use my free / won ferry tickets to repopulate Fara and turn it into a socialist state. That'll sort things out. :D | | | |
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