| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque 01:52 - Jun 19 with 12552 views | Hooped_Pullie |
News just breaking that one man in a white van has driven into a crowd leaving night prayers at Finsbury Park Mosque. Reports of at least three dead and many injuries. The man has been arrested amid angry scenes.
Britain's long summer of misery continues. |  | | |  |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 09:51 - Jun 19 with 3043 views | JamesB1979 |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 09:26 - Jun 19 by TheChef |
Apparently on Facebook it does.
No one minute's silence for the Grenfell victims that I've noticed (yet). And yet for the recent, er, terrorist attacks, I don't know how many there were. |
There's a 1 minute silence today. Let's deal in facts not make things up to prove a point.
Not sure what you mean by "recent, er, terroist attacks". | | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 09:54 - Jun 19 with 3031 views | TheChef |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 09:45 - Jun 19 by smegma |
Do keep up. There's a minutes silence today in remembrance of those lost in Grenfell Tower. But don't let the facts etc.... [Post edited 19 Jun 2017 9:47]
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Apologies - missed that one. |  |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 09:55 - Jun 19 with 3028 views | TheChef |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 09:48 - Jun 19 by smegma |
Different mosque and the congregation are the victims. But don't let facts etc...... |
Thanks for clarifying.
Still the same area of London though. | |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 10:13 - Jun 19 with 2984 views | smegma |
And ????? I've lived in Grenford for 21 years. In the first 12 years there were 14 murders within a one mile radius of my front door. 3 of them were shown on Crimewatch. No one would try and link them to anything. And neither should they. | | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 10:21 - Jun 19 with 2954 views | TheChef |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 10:13 - Jun 19 by smegma |
And ????? I've lived in Grenford for 21 years. In the first 12 years there were 14 murders within a one mile radius of my front door. 3 of them were shown on Crimewatch. No one would try and link them to anything. And neither should they. |
Sorry, just with all these events happening in quick succession, something doesn't add up to me. | |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 10:55 - Jun 19 with 2879 views | smegma |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 10:21 - Jun 19 by TheChef |
Sorry, just with all these events happening in quick succession, something doesn't add up to me. |
Why does it have to add up. Abu Hamza is long gone. This other mosque nearby has nothing to do with any firebrand preachers whatsoever. An elderly man, who had exited the mosque, had a heart attack on the pavement. While he was being frantically attended to by passersby trying to save him, a car mounts the pavement and mows down humans and the occupant allegedly screams ' I want to kill all Muslims' .... That's the story I've read. | | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 10:56 - Jun 19 with 2878 views | Metallica_Hoop |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 09:26 - Jun 19 by TheChef |
Apparently on Facebook it does.
No one minute's silence for the Grenfell victims that I've noticed (yet). And yet for the recent, er, terrorist attacks, I don't know how many there were. |
We had a min silence at Scubs parkrun Saturday as we are the nearest I think. |  |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 11:17 - Jun 19 with 2820 views | Dorse |
Don't care who they are, what they believe or where they come from. Anyone who does something like that is a twisted little abortion who deserves everything that's coming to him. Glad they've got him. |  |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 12:18 - Jun 19 with 2715 views | simmo |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 09:12 - Jun 19 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
This c unt will claim compensation for being hurt by the "mob" |
He wasn't attacked as the Imam protected him and wouldn't let people get at him, that's the report anyway which if true is quite incredible.
Stayed at my mrs last night who lives 2 mins from Finsbury, helicopters overhead all night and this morning. |  |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 13:34 - Jun 19 with 2583 views | BlackCrowe |
Thank god they got this piece scum. A mute point - not sure it's a terrorist attack though - that seems to overstate the cause. A warped lowlife committing a horrendous hate crime/revenge attack maybe.
Doesn't make it better or worse of course but calling terrorism gives it a kind of substance for other deranged individuals to latch on to. |  |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 15:19 - Jun 19 with 2401 views | Bluce_Ree |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 09:26 - Jun 19 by TheChef |
Apparently on Facebook it does.
No one minute's silence for the Grenfell victims that I've noticed (yet). And yet for the recent, er, terrorist attacks, I don't know how many there were. |
We had one in work for the Grenfell thing. And I work up in Liverpool.
So I guess it's a big enough deal.
These silences are coming thick and fast. |  |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 15:55 - Jun 19 with 2305 views | danehoop |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 15:19 - Jun 19 by Bluce_Ree |
We had one in work for the Grenfell thing. And I work up in Liverpool.
So I guess it's a big enough deal.
These silences are coming thick and fast. |
Queens Trooping of the Colour on Saturday held 1 minutes silence for Grenfell. |  |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 16:14 - Jun 19 with 2258 views | essextaxiboy |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 13:34 - Jun 19 by BlackCrowe |
Thank god they got this piece scum. A mute point - not sure it's a terrorist attack though - that seems to overstate the cause. A warped lowlife committing a horrendous hate crime/revenge attack maybe.
Doesn't make it better or worse of course but calling terrorism gives it a kind of substance for other deranged individuals to latch on to. |
I agree, terrorism suggests a cause however warped and an idealism .
This seems like ignorant islamaphobic perceived revenge to me .
Admirable restraint from the crowd , they could be forgiven for kicking the sh*t out of him. |  | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 16:35 - Jun 19 with 2206 views | traininvain |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 16:14 - Jun 19 by essextaxiboy |
I agree, terrorism suggests a cause however warped and an idealism .
This seems like ignorant islamaphobic perceived revenge to me .
Admirable restraint from the crowd , they could be forgiven for kicking the sh*t out of him. |
The danger is you devalue the crime by calling it a hate crime and not terrorism.
There is a risk that peaceful Muslims will feel that it's one rule if some nutter shouts 'Islam' during an attack and another for a white guy saying 'kill all Muslims'.
Last thing the country needs right now is more division so surely it's better just to call it a terrorist attack. |  | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 16:57 - Jun 19 with 2163 views | essextaxiboy |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 16:35 - Jun 19 by traininvain |
The danger is you devalue the crime by calling it a hate crime and not terrorism.
There is a risk that peaceful Muslims will feel that it's one rule if some nutter shouts 'Islam' during an attack and another for a white guy saying 'kill all Muslims'.
Last thing the country needs right now is more division so surely it's better just to call it a terrorist attack. |
I take your point, as you say unity is the most important thing but every definition of terrorism I can find says that it has a political motive . | | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:04 - Jun 19 with 2138 views | vanrrrr |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 16:57 - Jun 19 by essextaxiboy |
I take your point, as you say unity is the most important thing but every definition of terrorism I can find says that it has a political motive . |
In the US, the FBI defines terrorism as follows ‘the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives'
The social point is important one in this day and age where nutjobs like ISIL are trying to create social division rather than a political change like in the 70/s/80/s The same with this nutter it seems..... so under this definition I think right to call it a terrorist act | | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:08 - Jun 19 with 2125 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:04 - Jun 19 by vanrrrr |
In the US, the FBI defines terrorism as follows ‘the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives'
The social point is important one in this day and age where nutjobs like ISIL are trying to create social division rather than a political change like in the 70/s/80/s The same with this nutter it seems..... so under this definition I think right to call it a terrorist act |
True, although it also means that the FBI considers 95% of American military policy to be terrorism! |  | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:24 - Jun 19 with 2082 views | kensalriser |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:08 - Jun 19 by 1BobbyHazell |
True, although it also means that the FBI considers 95% of American military policy to be terrorism! |
State-sponsored terrorism is the most reprehensible of all. |  |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:24 - Jun 19 with 2080 views | TacticalR |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:08 - Jun 19 by 1BobbyHazell |
True, although it also means that the FBI considers 95% of American military policy to be terrorism! |
A good point that has been overlooked in the numerous discussions about violence. |  |
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:27 - Jun 19 with 2069 views | vanrrrr |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:08 - Jun 19 by 1BobbyHazell |
True, although it also means that the FBI considers 95% of American military policy to be terrorism! |
The FBI have identified white right wing extremists as the most dangerous internal threat and, if you believe reports, their planned infiltration of police and law enforcement - a long read
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-fbi-has-quietly-investigated-white-supre
US administration is however solely focused on islamic terrorism threat for political reasons. | | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:46 - Jun 19 with 2026 views | 18StoneOfHoop |
The named assaulter - only suspect police are in search for - Darren Osborne 47 from Cardiff seems at first supposition and first glance very much in the line of right wing looney solo single previous extremists such as
Norwegian Anders Breivik and Jo Cox's assassin Thomas Mair. [Post edited 19 Jun 2017 17:49]
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| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:53 - Jun 19 with 1994 views | essextaxiboy |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:04 - Jun 19 by vanrrrr |
In the US, the FBI defines terrorism as follows ‘the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives'
The social point is important one in this day and age where nutjobs like ISIL are trying to create social division rather than a political change like in the 70/s/80/s The same with this nutter it seems..... so under this definition I think right to call it a terrorist act |
Thats in the US .
This crime took place in North London England and the Oxford English Dictionary says
"The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." | | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 18:04 - Jun 19 with 1964 views | vanrrrr |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 17:53 - Jun 19 by essextaxiboy |
Thats in the US .
This crime took place in North London England and the Oxford English Dictionary says
"The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." |
i think you will find that the definition in the Terrorism Act 2000 ( which applies to North London, England) . is not a million miles from the FBI definition- in fact even more explicit
The use or threat of action designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public, or a section of the public; made for the purposes of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause | | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 18:35 - Jun 19 with 1922 views | essextaxiboy |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 18:04 - Jun 19 by vanrrrr |
i think you will find that the definition in the Terrorism Act 2000 ( which applies to North London, England) . is not a million miles from the FBI definition- in fact even more explicit
The use or threat of action designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public, or a section of the public; made for the purposes of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause |
So no mention of social and no evidence yet of a cause so far .. | | | |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 19:46 - Jun 19 with 1808 views | johncharles |
| Van Driven Into Crowd Outside Finsbury Park Mosque on 12:18 - Jun 19 by simmo |
He wasn't attacked as the Imam protected him and wouldn't let people get at him, that's the report anyway which if true is quite incredible.
Stayed at my mrs last night who lives 2 mins from Finsbury, helicopters overhead all night and this morning. |
Don't think he got that black eye from the Imam.
But well done all those present for not stringing him up. |  |
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