| Worrying on 14:41 - Jul 21 with 1787 views | calHoop |
| Worrying on 14:08 - Jul 21 by daveB |
Mine is an unpopular view but I do think we should just wait and see how it pans out and see what the squad looks like come the end of August, ideally the window would shut before the season starts but we have to get on with it.
We might end up with the usual 8 out 8 in or we might do what we did in January and sell players not wanted and replace them with ones who can improve the team. We did this quite well replacing Chery and Polter with Smith and Freeman.
it's not unusual for a manager to come in and just not fancy a few players and look to ship them out to bring his own in. JFH did this with Hill and Faurlin, Warnock did it with Leigterwood now Holloway is doing it with Sylla.
I quite like Sylla and he does have a good record but he is also quite lazy and was being booed by fans towards the end of the season
I know my usual line is boring but I do think it's true. Holloway and the club are getting slated by some fans for not signing players and slated by other fans for signing too many, They are slated for not developing players and selling them on and slated for signing someone like Sylla and then selling him on. The club gets stick because Ferdinand has too big a say and now they are getting stick that the manager has too much say.
I really don't know what the club and Holloway can do to make everyone happy. I've never known the fanbase like this before, we can't even come together for Stan Bowles so Holloway has no chance. |
I'm a rare poster but a habitual viewer of the board and see that you often criticize others for having a moan.
I am curious though, what do you actually think? I've been positive pre-season every season for as long as I can remember. This is probably the first one where I'm not counting down the days.
I get everyone's malaise with it, you seem mortified more often than not that fans are a little peeved off. As someone I presume who has followed the club for a long time, I'm surprised you're surprised.
When the club have been so contradictory about their plans for so long, and making so many wrong decisions time and again, how do you expect the fans to be positive and excited. |  | |  |
| Worrying on 14:44 - Jul 21 with 1784 views | MelakaRanger |
More worrying is that I believe IH will be gone before the end of November. I can easily see another run of 5 or 6 defeats within the first 3 months. Had he not had the personal 'history' with QPR (and therefore stacks of goodwill) his results from last season would have resulted in the sack.
As said he was brought in to use what he had been given. Instead he says he needs a few more transfer windows to get it right.
Football under JFH wasn't exciting but the results were better than under IH.
Until we get the Manager position right, our team just isnt going to improve. And in my view IH isn't the guy to take us forward. In fact he's taken us backwards. |  | | |
| Worrying on 14:52 - Jul 21 with 1761 views | Brightonhoop |
Reading Chronicle linking Syllah to them. |  | | |
| Worrying on 14:54 - Jul 21 with 1744 views | Hunterhoop |
| Worrying on 13:32 - Jul 21 by DWQPR |
Smith I think is an awful signing. A real cumbersome lump of a guy who waddles around the pitch. League One at best. Playing Smith just encourages the ball to be lumped up to him and he isn't that good at retaining possession either. Sylla up front means that the team have to play through the midfield to make him effective. His scoring record last season was pretty damned good given it was his first season in the Championship, the amount of times he was dropped to either the bench or from the squad or having to come on as a substitute. Really linked well whenever Wsozlek was playing as well, who I think will be another player that Holloway will f uck off.
On my hols from next Friday and will miss the first three games of the season for the first time ever. Not even bothered. Cannot see us getting out of the bottom six all season. |
I must be in a minority, but . For £500k we've got a big target man who can score from corners and crosses.
I agree that lumping the ball up to him from 50 yards away is stupid. But that doesn't make him a bad signing, ineffective or a bad player. That's the manager's problem.
Get the ball wide, get to the byline and sling crosses in and Smith will be a right handful in this division for defences. Is he the second coming? Of course not. Is he immobile? Yes. So don't ask him to run the channels.
For £500k he was a steal.
We have to get away from the mindset that our failings (and possible success) is down to "players"; It's more down to our formation, shape, style and how well they gel as a team. It is a team sport afterall. We can get a lot more out of the squad if we use our players properly and play to their strengths. |  | | |
| Worrying on 14:58 - Jul 21 with 1723 views | robith |
Do I panic or not? Plz advise LFW |  | | |
| Worrying on 15:01 - Jul 21 with 1702 views | davman |
| Worrying on 14:05 - Jul 21 by davman |
Yep.
As I said it on my boo boys thread, the fact that he is Sylla around the club and not Idrissa tells a story to me. Oh, and the fact Olly seems to single his top scorer, top chance converter and striker with the highest strike rateat the club for criticism more than anyone else.
Managers can't have favourites if they want to manage effectively. He has a group; work with them FFS. The problem cannot be all of these players, so guess what, sunshine, if it a'int them and there is a problem, where do you think the problem is.
So, to get value, it'll be another foreign import unproven here. How long do we give them? Half a season dropping in and out of the team before casting them aside.
Of course it could be purely innocent; he might have picked up a knock or even had a bereavement; its not like the club would tell us, is it?
As seems to be the case, they can announce a squad without him in it, but don't have to tell us why, leading to speculation like this.
When Polter left I was peeved; if this one goes, I shall be mighty p1ssed off. Not 'cos either of them were great, but because we never gave them a chance... |
Bloody rein it in won't you davman; wait for the reasonable explanation to come out that its simply a visa issue.
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| Worrying on 15:08 - Jul 21 with 1654 views | simmo |
| Worrying on 14:54 - Jul 21 by Hunterhoop |
I must be in a minority, but . For £500k we've got a big target man who can score from corners and crosses.
I agree that lumping the ball up to him from 50 yards away is stupid. But that doesn't make him a bad signing, ineffective or a bad player. That's the manager's problem.
Get the ball wide, get to the byline and sling crosses in and Smith will be a right handful in this division for defences. Is he the second coming? Of course not. Is he immobile? Yes. So don't ask him to run the channels.
For £500k he was a steal.
We have to get away from the mindset that our failings (and possible success) is down to "players"; It's more down to our formation, shape, style and how well they gel as a team. It is a team sport afterall. We can get a lot more out of the squad if we use our players properly and play to their strengths. |
I agree with this on the whole, however I would prefer us to not settle with what he's good at and work to improve other parts of his game, specifically his finishing, which is shown to be quite poor up to now, and his hold up game, which really should be better for a man of his size.
Ideally we need to find a way to play that doesn't require having to make use of a 'big man', unless you're shamelessly playing that way like Millwall or most lower league teams. Personally I would prefer to use him as/when - to target a team vulnerable to a player like that, as a plan B when the initial way of playing is not working.
At the moment he looks like what he is, a player with quite a limited/specialised skill set that was bought because we could get him rather than because his abilities fit in with what we need or what we're trying to create. |  |
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| Worrying on 15:14 - Jul 21 with 1635 views | terryb |
I do agree with DaveB to a certain extent, but I must query whether we improved by replacing Chery & Polter with Smith & Freeman.
That may depend on if your comparison is with the combined performances of the former in the 2015/16 season rather than last season.
It is also nothing new that the manager & club can't do right with a section of supporters as we all have different priorities. I still question the wisdom of many "big name" signings that we made to "improve" our team in the past - Mobley, Hollins, Kelly & Fillery come readily to mind! It is all subjective. | | | |
| Worrying on 15:16 - Jul 21 with 1623 views | Dando |
I think dont either Sylla or Smith are great overall players - but Sylla edges it for me. He has a clumsy and lazy style, but has a knack of scoring goals.
Smith is very strong in the air, but is unbelievably slow, poor on the floor, and it encourages the rest of the team to play long ball.
What winds me up, is that our players and manager make out as if we only play long ball to Smith if needbe - but from what Ive seen, we do it all the time. I saw it at the end of last year, and saw it vs Peterborough until Smith was subbed.
Our midfield is arguably our strongest area on the field, yet we choose to bypass it?!
Don't want to be negative, but our squad on paper looks league 1 to me when you compare it to the other sides. Apart from Burton, I cant really pick many/any sides who look weak this year. I dont doubt that our team will be hardworking, but I struggle again to see where the goals will come from. At least we had Chery this time last year who could chip in with some goals. Now i'm not really sure who will | | | |
| Worrying on 15:19 - Jul 21 with 1608 views | spencer |
PMSL - Dave Mcintyre getting upset when trolls were questioning him about a few things...also gets this wrong. |  | | |
| Worrying on 15:21 - Jul 21 with 1598 views | simmo |
This tendonitis for Grant Hall is a worry, it's a bastard of an injury that's hard to shake and can take people out for long periods - hopefully it's just us being extra specially cautious because he's so so important for us. | |
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| Worrying on 15:23 - Jul 21 with 1592 views | Northernr |
| Worrying on 15:16 - Jul 21 by Dando |
I think dont either Sylla or Smith are great overall players - but Sylla edges it for me. He has a clumsy and lazy style, but has a knack of scoring goals.
Smith is very strong in the air, but is unbelievably slow, poor on the floor, and it encourages the rest of the team to play long ball.
What winds me up, is that our players and manager make out as if we only play long ball to Smith if needbe - but from what Ive seen, we do it all the time. I saw it at the end of last year, and saw it vs Peterborough until Smith was subbed.
Our midfield is arguably our strongest area on the field, yet we choose to bypass it?!
Don't want to be negative, but our squad on paper looks league 1 to me when you compare it to the other sides. Apart from Burton, I cant really pick many/any sides who look weak this year. I dont doubt that our team will be hardworking, but I struggle again to see where the goals will come from. At least we had Chery this time last year who could chip in with some goals. Now i'm not really sure who will |
The opposition influence this as well - most clearly seen at Bristol City. They know our full backs aren't particularly attacking so they know in an ideal world we want to pass it out from the middle of the defence to a deep lying central midfielder and play from there (we're chronically short of width).
So make sure all the midfielders are very tightly marked, but leave Lynch and Onuoha completely unattended and alone. If they've got the ball and they don't have a short option to pass to they're not good enough to do anything other than punt it at Smith. Stand Aiden Flint next to him and that's the end of that. |  | | |
| Worrying on 15:31 - Jul 21 with 1565 views | vegasranger |
I'm not sure you can say Poulter wasn't given a chance. He played around 50 games, which surely is enough to see if he is Championship level? Sylla cost between 1 - 2 million euros. Not that much for a decent striker but I have to say I was disappointed in his ability when I first saw him. Supposedly we had been tracking him for awhile and of course it took to the end of August to snare him. Certainly knows where the goal is a would keep over Yenni. I can't work out what he brings to the team. | | | |
| Worrying on 15:37 - Jul 21 with 1540 views | daveB |
| Worrying on 14:41 - Jul 21 by calHoop |
I'm a rare poster but a habitual viewer of the board and see that you often criticize others for having a moan.
I am curious though, what do you actually think? I've been positive pre-season every season for as long as I can remember. This is probably the first one where I'm not counting down the days.
I get everyone's malaise with it, you seem mortified more often than not that fans are a little peeved off. As someone I presume who has followed the club for a long time, I'm surprised you're surprised.
When the club have been so contradictory about their plans for so long, and making so many wrong decisions time and again, how do you expect the fans to be positive and excited. |
I honestly don't know what to think at the moment as still so much that will change. if the season started tomorrow and this was the squad we had with no changes then I think we'd struggle but I do think the squad will change we'll lose a few and get a few new ones in and how good they are and how quickly Holloway can settle on a team will decide how we do next season.
I'm looking forward to seeing how we do.
I just think every little thing is turned into crisis at the moment, Holloways comments the other day taken out of context, Sylla left out of the squad due to work permit issue turns into Holloway is an idiot for selling someone he hasn't sold yet. Just all seems barmy |  | | |
| Worrying on 15:38 - Jul 21 with 1535 views | WokingR |
| Worrying on 14:41 - Jul 21 by calHoop |
I'm a rare poster but a habitual viewer of the board and see that you often criticize others for having a moan.
I am curious though, what do you actually think? I've been positive pre-season every season for as long as I can remember. This is probably the first one where I'm not counting down the days.
I get everyone's malaise with it, you seem mortified more often than not that fans are a little peeved off. As someone I presume who has followed the club for a long time, I'm surprised you're surprised.
When the club have been so contradictory about their plans for so long, and making so many wrong decisions time and again, how do you expect the fans to be positive and excited. |
I think that over the years Dave has proven himself to be the voice of reason on here and is very rarely off the mark.
Bit harsh to accuse him of being critical or mortified. |  | | |
| Worrying on 16:03 - Jul 21 with 1471 views | calHoop |
| Worrying on 15:38 - Jul 21 by WokingR |
I think that over the years Dave has proven himself to be the voice of reason on here and is very rarely off the mark.
Bit harsh to accuse him of being critical or mortified. |
Woah. Relax.
I'm trying to find someone who's positive. I'm hoping some of that can rub off, seemed he was, as he was critical of those that weren't. No criticism at all.
I'm looking for a chink of light from anywhere. Personally the Sylla situation concerns me, as I honestly think he has real potential. I know it's a permit issue, but many saying Ollie doesn't fancy him, and that concerns me, as football isn't all about chest out, pride in the badge and 110% commitment.
Not saying he's the new Les Ferdinand, who remember we'd have have lost without Gerry coming in and realising what we had. Just a very good goalscorer, who could be a 20 a season player in this division. | | | |
| Worrying on 16:06 - Jul 21 with 1457 views | DejR_vu |
| Worrying on 14:08 - Jul 21 by daveB |
Mine is an unpopular view but I do think we should just wait and see how it pans out and see what the squad looks like come the end of August, ideally the window would shut before the season starts but we have to get on with it.
We might end up with the usual 8 out 8 in or we might do what we did in January and sell players not wanted and replace them with ones who can improve the team. We did this quite well replacing Chery and Polter with Smith and Freeman.
it's not unusual for a manager to come in and just not fancy a few players and look to ship them out to bring his own in. JFH did this with Hill and Faurlin, Warnock did it with Leigterwood now Holloway is doing it with Sylla.
I quite like Sylla and he does have a good record but he is also quite lazy and was being booed by fans towards the end of the season
I know my usual line is boring but I do think it's true. Holloway and the club are getting slated by some fans for not signing players and slated by other fans for signing too many, They are slated for not developing players and selling them on and slated for signing someone like Sylla and then selling him on. The club gets stick because Ferdinand has too big a say and now they are getting stick that the manager has too much say.
I really don't know what the club and Holloway can do to make everyone happy. I've never known the fanbase like this before, we can't even come together for Stan Bowles so Holloway has no chance. |
Said it before. Maybe a good place to start would be to accept that the fans are individuals and have different opinions, and therefore it's obvious that some will be happy in any given situation and others will be unhappy.
I can't believe our fans are generally any different from fans of other clubs. Why would that be the case, it would be illogical? Fans tend to react to situations, and our fans are reacting to what the club does. Bircham says they want to get the transfer business done early, it doesn't happen and fans react. Holloway comes out and says he needs to sell to buy, Sylla is left out of a tour squad without explanation, fans that don't want to see Sylla go react.
Moral of the story? This is the 21st century, the era of social media. Keep people informed and only let people you can trust not to say the wrong thing talk to the media. | |
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| Worrying on 16:11 - Jul 21 with 1436 views | DejR_vu |
| Worrying on 15:37 - Jul 21 by daveB |
I honestly don't know what to think at the moment as still so much that will change. if the season started tomorrow and this was the squad we had with no changes then I think we'd struggle but I do think the squad will change we'll lose a few and get a few new ones in and how good they are and how quickly Holloway can settle on a team will decide how we do next season.
I'm looking forward to seeing how we do.
I just think every little thing is turned into crisis at the moment, Holloways comments the other day taken out of context, Sylla left out of the squad due to work permit issue turns into Holloway is an idiot for selling someone he hasn't sold yet. Just all seems barmy |
Sorry Dave, given the backdrop, Holloway talking about bombs going off and things happening that the supporters don't know about was the height of stupidity. The one thing you can't accuse him of is lack of experience. He should be well aware of how things can be interpreted. That's not an example of the fans turning something into a crisis, that's a manager who should know better failing to engage his brain. | |
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| Worrying on 16:26 - Jul 21 with 1392 views | daveB |
| Worrying on 16:11 - Jul 21 by DejR_vu |
Sorry Dave, given the backdrop, Holloway talking about bombs going off and things happening that the supporters don't know about was the height of stupidity. The one thing you can't accuse him of is lack of experience. He should be well aware of how things can be interpreted. That's not an example of the fans turning something into a crisis, that's a manager who should know better failing to engage his brain. |
I think if you listen to the interview it's quite clear what he was saying. Put that quote on it's own with no context and he looks an idiot | | | |
| Worrying (n/t) on 16:31 - Jul 21 with 1367 views | oldmisery |
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| Worrying on 16:39 - Jul 21 with 1347 views | oldmisery |
Is it an over reaction to be a bit concerned about this quote. Character x4?
Obviously we don't want any more 'bad eggs' but I think I'd rather see skill x4, abilty x4 and commitment x4.
I have a Wigan supporting pal who told me at the beginning of last season that his club were full of the 'right sort' of players, unfortunately it didn't do them much good come May though. | | | |
| Worrying on 16:52 - Jul 21 with 1314 views | daveB |
| Worrying on 16:39 - Jul 21 by oldmisery |
Is it an over reaction to be a bit concerned about this quote. Character x4?
Obviously we don't want any more 'bad eggs' but I think I'd rather see skill x4, abilty x4 and commitment x4.
I have a Wigan supporting pal who told me at the beginning of last season that his club were full of the 'right sort' of players, unfortunately it didn't do them much good come May though. |
I think he'll want skill and ability but it is important to have a bit of character and be someone who works hard and is not afraid to want the ball and try and do things. | | | |
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