| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football 14:25 - Oct 15 with 4486 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
Some good points, but also a whole lot of 5hit in there
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| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 22:28 - Oct 15 with 3418 views | SimonJames |
According to the secretary of my youngest son's club in Saffron Walden "These rules are the published league rules for a specific junior football league based in Manchester."
...so perhaps not something that will be adopted nationally. |  |
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| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 22:45 - Oct 15 with 3408 views | Northernr |
Apart from the even numbers thing and the supporters not shouting at kids thing I find the rest of that utterly fcking depressing.
I mean I could take them all apart, but the goalkeeping thing - develop specialist goalkeepers by reinforcing the idea that it's the sht position that nobody wants to play but everybody has to take a turn in as some sort of penance.
No slide tackles - improve players tackling technique by banning them from doing it until they're teenagers. Great idea.
If you do everything you're taught too well, we'll give the other team players until the score is more even.
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| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 22:54 - Oct 15 with 3394 views | daveB |
not being able to give instructions to the kids is barmy, my son plays in an under 9 team, if his coach wasn't giving them instructions of where to stand and what to do during the games they'd never get any better as they'd have no idea what they are doing.
Some of them rules though have been in place for some time, the opposition in your own half from a goal kick and backpass rule have both been around for a while and work quite well.
Slide tackling hasn't been banned either, both teams were flying into tackles at my kids game today anyway |  | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 09:55 - Oct 16 with 3319 views | toboboly |
The current inability of people to tackle in the professional game is due to the fact that no fcker does it from the age of 5 up.
I had/have no pace but was a decent tackler and this was specifically because I was taught ho to do it correctly from a young age, always go for the ball and how to do it fairly. |  |
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| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 10:07 - Oct 16 with 3308 views | derbyhoop |
The biggest issue with Youth football is that it gets far too competitive, far too early. And that's just the parents.
Where my grandson plays in Australia, they try to discourage parents from offering advice. They also play small sided games on small pitches, with no throw ins (kick ins used instead). As to giving all squad members even time, it's assuming that they have a squad and not jut the bare numbers necessary.
Australian, well Sydney, clubs pay sizeable fees, for which they get the services of authorised coaches once per week. They're not always that good though. |  |
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| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 10:38 - Oct 16 with 3291 views | daveB |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 10:07 - Oct 16 by derbyhoop |
The biggest issue with Youth football is that it gets far too competitive, far too early. And that's just the parents.
Where my grandson plays in Australia, they try to discourage parents from offering advice. They also play small sided games on small pitches, with no throw ins (kick ins used instead). As to giving all squad members even time, it's assuming that they have a squad and not jut the bare numbers necessary.
Australian, well Sydney, clubs pay sizeable fees, for which they get the services of authorised coaches once per week. They're not always that good though. |
It' not that competitive, apart from the odd tournament in the summer most matches are basically friendlies with no league table until you get to about 13.
The pitch sizes are small and get bigger the older you get, the whole emphasis I've seen of youth football in the last 3 years has been about passing the ball, expressing yourself and enjoying it. I've seen some fantastic players and some really good games which only become competitive due to the kids wanting to win rather than the parents having a go. | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 12:06 - Oct 16 with 3232 views | nadera78 |
Speaking as a coach of U9s I think some of those are insane. The idea that I should stand on the sidelines and not guide the kids is laughable - it would descend into a playground bundle within minutes. How are they going to develop then? |  | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 12:47 - Oct 17 with 3091 views | timcocking |
What a crock of utter fcuking sh!t. |  | | |
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| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 13:01 - Oct 17 with 3071 views | paulparker |
when my daughter was playing for Northampton town a couple of years ago they implemented that rule that parents couldn't coach from the side lines , it was stupid as the coaches who were supposed to say something or try and coach the girls , didn't they just stood in silence occasionally clapping encouragement
so I would go and position myself to where she playing and go there and coach her through games , |  |
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| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 13:12 - Oct 17 with 3063 views | stevec |
It's a shame they didn't have a Power Play rule when we were in the Prem. |  | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 17:58 - Oct 18 with 2964 views | PinnerPaul |
This from many negative remarks on Ref Chat website
"Is this some kind of joke? What is the source of this, because some of it is already exists and has done for a number of years, some is unenforceable and the rest simply ridiculous."
After watching my son play for 8 years and refereed youth football for 15 I couldn't put it any better myself!
Ridiculous indeed! | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 18:01 - Oct 18 with 2962 views | PinnerPaul |
My son played 11 v 11 at Under 10s, now they can't until Under 13s
Noticed any improvement in English players/style because of this and a myriad of other cosmetic changes at youth level?
No, me neither. | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 19:21 - Oct 18 with 2944 views | nadera78 |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 18:01 - Oct 18 by PinnerPaul |
My son played 11 v 11 at Under 10s, now they can't until Under 13s
Noticed any improvement in English players/style because of this and a myriad of other cosmetic changes at youth level?
No, me neither. |
Actually, the reduction in team and pitch sizes is amongst the few positive changes the FA have introduced. The real problem in our development system is pro clubs hoovering up and mistreating kids. | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 20:33 - Oct 18 with 2915 views | MrSheen |
Does anyone know what age these rules apply to?
I have no experience coaching football but I have coached kids' rugby for over a decade, currently under 9s. I think there's an awful lot of sense in this. Rugby is different in that size counts for much more than in football. There's nothing more dispiriting and stupid than a coach that demands they get a result by giving it to the big lad. It might make for some happy pictures at the end of the game, but nobody learns anything, least of all the big kid - who may not even grow up to be a big man.
For me as a coach, success isn't winning tournaments, it's having kids who want to come back the next week. It's supposed to be fun, and something they want to do for decades to come. We try to give them the skills and organisation to feel they are competitive, and try to leave them to enjoy themselves. I played cricket for years at school and no-one gave me a minute's coaching because I wasn't in the first team the first week. Every kid who comes to us deserves the same attention and chance to play.
As for the coaching, I can see kids withering and freezing under the weight of command from the touchline. Sure, coach them in training and stop the game if necessary to point out where they could do better. But kids can play without adults bellowing at them. |  | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 20:41 - Oct 18 with 2911 views | MrSheen |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 18:01 - Oct 18 by PinnerPaul |
My son played 11 v 11 at Under 10s, now they can't until Under 13s
Noticed any improvement in English players/style because of this and a myriad of other cosmetic changes at youth level?
No, me neither. |
Under 20s world champions
Under 17s through to World Cup QF
Under 21s Euro Runners Up | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 21:25 - Oct 18 with 2891 views | ozexile |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 22:54 - Oct 15 by daveB |
not being able to give instructions to the kids is barmy, my son plays in an under 9 team, if his coach wasn't giving them instructions of where to stand and what to do during the games they'd never get any better as they'd have no idea what they are doing.
Some of them rules though have been in place for some time, the opposition in your own half from a goal kick and backpass rule have both been around for a while and work quite well.
Slide tackling hasn't been banned either, both teams were flying into tackles at my kids game today anyway |
I actually agree with no coaching from the sideline. Kids don't learn from constantly being told what to do. They learn from experience and working it out for themselves. Questions guiding them to think about positioning etc are far more beneficial for their development. | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 00:42 - Oct 19 with 2840 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
With all due respect to the posters here, England are currently World or European champions of a couple of Youth bands so maybe they know what they talking about, although have to admit some of it looks mental. |  | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 07:24 - Oct 19 with 2790 views | daveB |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 18:01 - Oct 18 by PinnerPaul |
My son played 11 v 11 at Under 10s, now they can't until Under 13s
Noticed any improvement in English players/style because of this and a myriad of other cosmetic changes at youth level?
No, me neither. |
You won't see any impact to these changes at senior level for at least a decade.
Some of what they have done has been very positive with smaller sized pitches and encouraging players to pass the ball | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 07:40 - Oct 19 with 2788 views | distortR |
It's about getting the balance right, isn't it. My youngest is playing in a little league over here in the Isle of Man, his team aren't doing too well but the coaches and parents are supportive, there is touch-line coaching but only at it's most basic - otherwise the central defenders would be trading small japanese pieces of cardboard when the ball's up the other end. I worry about the homogenisation of coaching. | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 18:32 - Oct 19 with 2683 views | PinnerPaul |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 19:21 - Oct 18 by nadera78 |
Actually, the reduction in team and pitch sizes is amongst the few positive changes the FA have introduced. The real problem in our development system is pro clubs hoovering up and mistreating kids. |
'positive' in what way?
I can see how it might possibly make the game more enjoyable for those not as able, but think the idea was to improve the standard of football in this country.
I don't think restricting 11 a side football or making the pitches smaller has any effect on that whatsoever.
Youth football seems pretty much same standard to me as it was 20 years ago | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 18:35 - Oct 19 with 2682 views | PinnerPaul |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 20:41 - Oct 18 by MrSheen |
Under 20s world champions
Under 17s through to World Cup QF
Under 21s Euro Runners Up |
and all because they weren't allowed to play 11 a side until they were 12?
I any case the Under 20s and Under 21s certainly would have been playing 11 a side earlier than the kids do now and on bigger pitches! | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 19:23 - Oct 19 with 2667 views | stowmarketrange |
Any sports organisation that thinks it’s ok to have girls and boys play together in the same teams until they reach the age of 18 is seriously flawed.
Girls teams all over the country are folding because the better girls play for a mainly boys team,and they lack the numbers to continue. |  | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 19:53 - Oct 19 with 2651 views | daveB |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 18:32 - Oct 19 by PinnerPaul |
'positive' in what way?
I can see how it might possibly make the game more enjoyable for those not as able, but think the idea was to improve the standard of football in this country.
I don't think restricting 11 a side football or making the pitches smaller has any effect on that whatsoever.
Youth football seems pretty much same standard to me as it was 20 years ago |
I remember playing 11 a side on a massive pitch when he was 10, did me no good playing of a full size pitch, not getting a touch and both teams just kicking it long all the time
It's miles better now with smaller pitches, more touches of the ball for everyone and a lot more enjoyable for the players, you then move to bigger pitches every year as you get older, it's one of the few things the FA have got right | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 20:01 - Oct 19 with 2648 views | nadera78 |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 18:32 - Oct 19 by PinnerPaul |
'positive' in what way?
I can see how it might possibly make the game more enjoyable for those not as able, but think the idea was to improve the standard of football in this country.
I don't think restricting 11 a side football or making the pitches smaller has any effect on that whatsoever.
Youth football seems pretty much same standard to me as it was 20 years ago |
Little GK on a big pitch, unable to kick the ball out of the penalty box, with the other team on the edge of the box waiting to pounce. And the game descending to a farce.
One or two kids who could lift the ball high enough that the GK had no chance of reaching it. Goal every time.
Kids hacking the ball downfield, or else running until they ran out of puff, all because they were on a ridiculously oversized pitch.
Pretty much every sport that I know of plays a reduced version at younger age groups, because little kids just cannot be expected to play to the same rules as grown ups. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. | | | |
| Plan following FA's review of Youth Football on 20:02 - Oct 19 with 2648 views | karl |
I coach under 8s and at the moment they've played 'fun 4s' on a 30 x 20mt pitch from the age of 5, no keeping score, no goalie and no referee. The parents are encouraged to watch and help the kids make judgement on kick ins/corners etc and tbh it does seem to keep everyone sensible.
Next year our lot move up to 'super 5s' which is basically the same but with the introduction of a goalkeeper. They play this till they are good enough to start playing 7s across a full pitch by which time they will be 10-11, full pitch football is at U15 but they really want 13s in this or even good 12s.
Comparatively there are lots more kids playing football and although we've yet to see any adult footballers come through from this the skill levels are excellent and if there is the typical tenacity and effort associated with our game allied to these skills then we will see some huge benefits.
I'm all for letting the kids play for fun under no pressure other than their own will to win but there has to be some help along the lines of positioning etc. One area I do struggle with is the 'A' 'B' situation as it is difficult, you don't want to label kids top or bottom but tbh when we mix our 15/18 kids into teams if you put them all evenly across 4 teams then there is 1 'poor' standard player in every team and they generally don't get near the ball, they actually seem to enjoy the game as they win more than lose as opposed to when more of the poorer ones play together and consequently they all equally get the ball despite losing more games! It's not the easiest to guage and I've been picking the same kids for 3 yrs so know them well.
Edit. There is no record of results but the kids know exactly what all their results have been regardless! Usually play 6 games 8 mins one way [Post edited 19 Oct 2017 20:13]
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