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talking to a west ham fan at work and we have spent the last 4 hours chewing the fat , well arguing basically about the great players, pretty much everyone he said was brilliant , ive said was sh1te
Ian rush - never got it , terrible for wales, Juventus, leeds , Newcastle
Eden Hazard - never seen him really be a world beater in any game , goes missing especially in the big games
Alan Hansen- the biggest myth that he was Britain's best defender ,
Alexis Sanchez - I don't think he is worth 2 million let alone 53 million
jack Wilshire- I keep hearing he is the man we are missing in our midfield for England and that he was a world beater in a game against Barcelona about 6 years ago , I just see a bloke with a broken leg who smokes a lot
oh and cantona as well , retired before 30 and never done it in Europe or in a tournament
anyone else got players who everyone loves and raves about but you cannot see it ?
anyone else
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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Players everyone rates but you dont on 18:22 - Nov 9 with 2491 views
I would probably stick up for nearly everyone mentioned so far... several are wasters (and/or reprehensible morons cf Ramos, Terry, Wilshere) but did justify their acclaim as players at some point. (Rooney really was dog muck for 3/4 of his career in fairness.)
Barnes duff? John Barnes?? Go watch another sport, and get yourself chemically castrated while you're at it.
"Gary lineker, if I stood on the 6 yard box week in week out I’m sure I’d score a lot of goals as well" LOL yeah alright mate.
Beckham was specialism taken to the sublime. All round player he certainly wasn't but literally every ball he flighted in again and again and again was to die for. Absurd output of crossing not seen before or since. And by the by -
Giggs is a pretty good shout. I used to tell anyone who'd listen that he was overrated during the double season (and a good few years before) but once he scored the Arsenal goal his rep was bulletproof. Decent final few years saved him.
Cantona was 30% player 70% character. Hard to think of another player beyond Cruyff who changed the course of a club on his own so totally - arguable the Premier League as a whole too. No Ferguson era without him.
Can't think of anyone to add at the moment so I'll say Eric Dier. Really quite a poor player all round - and an especially woeful centre back - but has some sort of odd knack of making Spurs play better when he's there. (And it's not a subtle Busquets or Scowen thing either).
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Players everyone rates but you dont on 19:20 - Nov 9 with 2403 views
Okay, bit of a dick as a fella as Tina and the Mini125 would testify to...but...
I always thought he was a great keeper He should've had more caps than the immense amount he got but for the job share with Clemence. I would caveat that in so much as maybe he shouldn;t of got as many and Phil Parkes should've had buckets more.
As for Italia90 - you do know he went the right way for every single penalty? The Jerries couldn't of placed them any better.
He maybe could've done better on Lord Parker's deflection but that would be harsh. My only gripe with him is allowing Maradona to punch that ball in the net, at 4 foot 2 inches a balled fist on your head shouldn't give you any height advantage over an on rushing keeper. Shilts should've done a Shaumacher on him anyway
My most overated player ever is Ozil. I mean just WTF?
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
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Players everyone rates but you dont on 19:41 - Nov 9 with 2377 views
Players everyone rates but you dont on 19:24 - Nov 9 by Lblock
Peter Shilton?
Okay, bit of a dick as a fella as Tina and the Mini125 would testify to...but...
I always thought he was a great keeper He should've had more caps than the immense amount he got but for the job share with Clemence. I would caveat that in so much as maybe he shouldn;t of got as many and Phil Parkes should've had buckets more.
As for Italia90 - you do know he went the right way for every single penalty? The Jerries couldn't of placed them any better.
He maybe could've done better on Lord Parker's deflection but that would be harsh. My only gripe with him is allowing Maradona to punch that ball in the net, at 4 foot 2 inches a balled fist on your head shouldn't give you any height advantage over an on rushing keeper. Shilts should've done a Shaumacher on him anyway
My most overated player ever is Ozil. I mean just WTF?
He only went the right way for every penalty as he waited till they hit the back of the net before he moved
Players everyone rates but you dont on 18:55 - Nov 9 by rsonist
I would probably stick up for nearly everyone mentioned so far... several are wasters (and/or reprehensible morons cf Ramos, Terry, Wilshere) but did justify their acclaim as players at some point. (Rooney really was dog muck for 3/4 of his career in fairness.)
Barnes duff? John Barnes?? Go watch another sport, and get yourself chemically castrated while you're at it.
"Gary lineker, if I stood on the 6 yard box week in week out I’m sure I’d score a lot of goals as well" LOL yeah alright mate.
Beckham was specialism taken to the sublime. All round player he certainly wasn't but literally every ball he flighted in again and again and again was to die for. Absurd output of crossing not seen before or since. And by the by -
Giggs is a pretty good shout. I used to tell anyone who'd listen that he was overrated during the double season (and a good few years before) but once he scored the Arsenal goal his rep was bulletproof. Decent final few years saved him.
Cantona was 30% player 70% character. Hard to think of another player beyond Cruyff who changed the course of a club on his own so totally - arguable the Premier League as a whole too. No Ferguson era without him.
Can't think of anyone to add at the moment so I'll say Eric Dier. Really quite a poor player all round - and an especially woeful centre back - but has some sort of odd knack of making Spurs play better when he's there. (And it's not a subtle Busquets or Scowen thing either).
Yeah I'm with you on Giggs. My ManU supporting (London-born natch) boss had the temerity to state that Giggs was massively under-rated.
By whom, I countered, the media has always been completely up his arse.
Massively over-rated more like. Always bottled international matches for fear of upsetting Fergie, but is revered in Wales!? Decent enough winger but world class, my plums.
Players everyone rates but you dont on 18:55 - Nov 9 by rsonist
I would probably stick up for nearly everyone mentioned so far... several are wasters (and/or reprehensible morons cf Ramos, Terry, Wilshere) but did justify their acclaim as players at some point. (Rooney really was dog muck for 3/4 of his career in fairness.)
Barnes duff? John Barnes?? Go watch another sport, and get yourself chemically castrated while you're at it.
"Gary lineker, if I stood on the 6 yard box week in week out I’m sure I’d score a lot of goals as well" LOL yeah alright mate.
Beckham was specialism taken to the sublime. All round player he certainly wasn't but literally every ball he flighted in again and again and again was to die for. Absurd output of crossing not seen before or since. And by the by -
Giggs is a pretty good shout. I used to tell anyone who'd listen that he was overrated during the double season (and a good few years before) but once he scored the Arsenal goal his rep was bulletproof. Decent final few years saved him.
Cantona was 30% player 70% character. Hard to think of another player beyond Cruyff who changed the course of a club on his own so totally - arguable the Premier League as a whole too. No Ferguson era without him.
Can't think of anyone to add at the moment so I'll say Eric Dier. Really quite a poor player all round - and an especially woeful centre back - but has some sort of odd knack of making Spurs play better when he's there. (And it's not a subtle Busquets or Scowen thing either).
You didn't read Monahoop's post properly.
"John Barnes. Good at club level, but appalling for England."
And he was spot on with that. Sensational for Liverpool (as we found out more than once) but absolute dog toffee for England in the main. Could you honestly count on more than the fingers of one hand the genuinely good games he had in 79 attempts at international level?
Players everyone rates but you dont on 20:46 - Nov 9 by eastside_r
Yeah I'm with you on Giggs. My ManU supporting (London-born natch) boss had the temerity to state that Giggs was massively under-rated.
By whom, I countered, the media has always been completely up his arse.
Massively over-rated more like. Always bottled international matches for fear of upsetting Fergie, but is revered in Wales!? Decent enough winger but world class, my plums.
Think you're wrong about Cantona though.
Not going to sit down and think this through but my gut feeling is that the only underrated United player there's ever been is Andy Cole.
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Players everyone rates but you dont on 21:30 - Nov 9 with 2251 views
Some good shouts on here and totally agree with Westbourne on Harry Kane, Millwall and Leicester he just looked awkward young lad. Now at present I can't argue that every game he looks like scoring whenever he gets the ball in or around the box but he just doesn't look 'right'! Is this the same as Hayesender and his photogenic hound? I still wait for him to run out of 'luck' and just become Jamie Vardy with a golden season or two and then quietly move out of focus but i think he will end up holding the World Cup tbh, there's too many good young English players coming through used to winning tournaments and Mavis bl00dy Riley will be their captain lifting the cup, i think i'll have a little weep....
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Players everyone rates but you dont on 23:04 - Nov 9 with 2168 views
Players everyone rates but you dont on 23:28 - Nov 9 by bob566
Gary lineker and Harry Kane. Really?
Right now he is as good as anyone but I didn't rate him as a young player. And as Hayesender highlighted with Beckham, I just look at him and think this just won't last, I said the same about Bale so give me credit ffs
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Players everyone rates but you dont on 02:23 - Nov 10 with 2080 views
Players everyone rates but you dont on 17:31 - Nov 9 by loftboy
You are joking, he was immense, had some epic tussles with big centre forwards like Mark Hughes and Mick Harford
I never forgave Hughes for collapsing in a heap every time Macca got near him, especially in an FA cup replay game at Old Trafford where he got Macca sent off.
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Players everyone rates but you dont on 04:33 - Nov 10 with 2054 views
I agree with everything said about Beckham, but would add; never seen an Englishman play as well in an England shirt as he did against the Bubble and Squeaks in 2001. He literally dragged England into the WC finals on his own.
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Players everyone rates but you dont on 00:59 - Nov 10 by karl
Right now he is as good as anyone but I didn't rate him as a young player. And as Hayesender highlighted with Beckham, I just look at him and think this just won't last, I said the same about Bale so give me credit ffs
But Jason Cummings was the new messiah
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Players everyone rates but you dont on 07:36 - Nov 10 with 1986 views
Steve Mcmanananananananananananaman. ShÃt footballer who always seemed to me scuffed passes, didn't have much speed and a bollox haircut and yet he ended up with Real Madrid.
I love these kill-the-sacred-cow threads. Bobby Moore? Fluked a World Cup thanks to a dodgy lino. Gerry Francis? One good season then lay on the treatment table and stole a wage the rest of his career. Ferenc Puskas? Hundreds of goals, but all in black and white, the posts were square and Franco.
My strongest memories of Paul Scholes are him missing a sitter that would have put us 3-1 up against Argentina and getting sent off for trying to cripple a Swede in the first minute of a qualifier, but I'm sure a United fan who saw more of his games, or his great admirers. Xavi and Iniesta, could come up with better. We venerate Gino for his 90 games with us, but to the rest of the world he was a lower league journeyman who flopped at Forest, the closest he came to the big time.
So, Sergio Ramos. I'm as sick as anyone of seeing his gurning mug celebrating another triumph, but there's a clue there. Two world cups and three Champions Leagues (he scored in two finals), not bad for a talentless liability. Admittedly, playing centre back for Real is like working in the returns department at Durex, they're obliged to employ someone but they'll have so little to do that they don't have to spend too long choosing. But he's no David Luiz, or Jonathan Woodgate.
Here's mine, Leo Messi. Showboating little fairy, when did you ever see him put a tackle in in his own box? And those tattoos are fake, wash them off, lad.
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Players everyone rates but you dont on 09:03 - Nov 10 with 1919 views
Players everyone rates but you dont on 07:36 - Nov 10 by DWQPR
Steve Mcmanananananananananananaman. ShÃt footballer who always seemed to me scuffed passes, didn't have much speed and a bollox haircut and yet he ended up with Real Madrid.
Yeah that's a decent call, but like some of the others mentioned, did 'everyone' really rate him in the first place?
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