| Players everyone rates but you dont 14:58 - Nov 9 with 14028 views | paulparker |
talking to a west ham fan at work and we have spent the last 4 hours chewing the fat , well arguing basically about the great players, pretty much everyone he said was brilliant , ive said was sh1te
Ian rush - never got it , terrible for wales, Juventus, leeds , Newcastle
Eden Hazard - never seen him really be a world beater in any game , goes missing especially in the big games
Alan Hansen- the biggest myth that he was Britain's best defender ,
Alexis Sanchez - I don't think he is worth 2 million let alone 53 million
jack Wilshire- I keep hearing he is the man we are missing in our midfield for England and that he was a world beater in a game against Barcelona about 6 years ago , I just see a bloke with a broken leg who smokes a lot
oh and cantona as well , retired before 30 and never done it in Europe or in a tournament
anyone else got players who everyone loves and raves about but you cannot see it ?
anyone else
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| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:08 - Nov 9 with 5525 views | Hayesender |
Peter Shilton. Seemed to deteriorate very quickly and cost England at both the 86 and 90 world cups. He's attempts to save the German penaltys were shocking |  |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:09 - Nov 9 with 5519 views | Dorse |
John Terry. C unt. |  |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:28 - Nov 9 with 5476 views | LunarJetman |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:08 - Nov 9 by Hayesender |
Peter Shilton. Seemed to deteriorate very quickly and cost England at both the 86 and 90 world cups. He's attempts to save the German penaltys were shocking |
Its generous of you to call them 'attempts'.... |  | | |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:32 - Nov 9 with 5467 views | 1MoreBrightonR |
Kevin Gallen. was a bit younger then but he drove me nuts. tin hat... :)
For years, giggs and the last few years of his career, i was converted.
Chris Sutton...though did anyone actually think he was great? |  | | |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:35 - Nov 9 with 5461 views | Mick_S |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:32 - Nov 9 by 1MoreBrightonR |
Kevin Gallen. was a bit younger then but he drove me nuts. tin hat... :)
For years, giggs and the last few years of his career, i was converted.
Chris Sutton...though did anyone actually think he was great? |
He did. |  |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:38 - Nov 9 with 5444 views | DaiHo0p |
Sylla |  | | |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:50 - Nov 9 with 5414 views | paulparker |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:08 - Nov 9 by Hayesender |
Peter Shilton. Seemed to deteriorate very quickly and cost England at both the 86 and 90 world cups. He's attempts to save the German penaltys were shocking |
spot on about shilton , I said this in the Pirlo thread
also peter shilton is another in the overrated category , awful keeper and a pompous tvvat to boot, and totally his fault for the goal against Germany and not Parkers in 1990 ,I mean how can you get lobbed on your line FFS it really is schoolboy stuff that oh and in 86 he was garbage too
infact Germany could still be taking penalties against him 27 years later and he still wouldn't have got near them ,
he was also manager in a charity game I played in at Wembley before they knocked the old Wembley down , didn't have a fcukin clue and I told him as much as well | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:52 - Nov 9 with 5408 views | robith |
Jack Wilshere was once very rude to me in a London club. He's a nobber. But I don't think anyone really rates him any more he's an absolute waste man |  | | |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 16:18 - Nov 9 with 5348 views | loftboy |
Gary lineker, if I stood on the 6 yard box week in week out I’m sure I’d score a lot of goals as well. |  |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 16:21 - Nov 9 with 5344 views | runningman75 |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 15:52 - Nov 9 by robith |
Jack Wilshere was once very rude to me in a London club. He's a nobber. But I don't think anyone really rates him any more he's an absolute waste man |
Jack Wiltshire in a London club though the type of clubs he goes to is about being seen rather than enjoying yourself. I once went to a high end club and hated it especially as the cheapest drink was small bottles of beer for 6 quid when people were quaffing Jack Daniels at £150 a bottle ( yet it came with a sparkler) or Champagne at massive markup. | | | |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 16:45 - Nov 9 with 5291 views | WestbourneR |
You really wouldn't pay £2miilion quid for Alexis Sanchez? He's very good.
I think Kane looks like he's totally mal-coordinated and had has horrible technique. I know I'm wrong. Always thought Moussa Sissoko was a dog but that seems to be more widely accepted now. |  |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 16:52 - Nov 9 with 5275 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
QPR wise, Alan McDonald. But still love the man for what he means to QPR.
Must stress i’m not old enough to remember him in the 80s. [Post edited 9 Nov 2017 16:54]
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 16:53 - Nov 9 with 5276 views | Monahoop |
John Barnes. Good at club level, but appalling for England. A lot of hope was heaped on him when he scored a great goal against Brazil in a friendly. From then on he was everyone's or at least in sports media circles, a hero. To me he was duff.
Chris Waddle. Couldn't work out at all why people heaped so much praise on him. Average at best with a diabolical hair style to match.
Terry Butcher. First class p%*ck.
John Terry. The ultimate version of Terry Butcher.
David Ginola. Pretty boy on a pitch. Pretty over rated too. French poodle. |  |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 17:27 - Nov 9 with 5224 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Sergio Ramos. He can't defend. At all. As is 22 red cards would demonstrate.
Fortunate to have played practically all his career behind great midfielders for Real and Spain. Otherwise it would be 122 red cards. |  |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 17:31 - Nov 9 with 5216 views | loftboy |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 16:52 - Nov 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
QPR wise, Alan McDonald. But still love the man for what he means to QPR.
Must stress i’m not old enough to remember him in the 80s. [Post edited 9 Nov 2017 16:54]
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You are joking, he was immense, had some epic tussles with big centre forwards like Mark Hughes and Mick Harford | |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 17:34 - Nov 9 with 5204 views | ShotKneesHoop |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 17:31 - Nov 9 by loftboy |
You are joking, he was immense, had some epic tussles with big centre forwards like Mark Hughes and Mick Harford |
Your second sentence is where it's at. |  |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 17:39 - Nov 9 with 5196 views | derbyhoop |
David Beckham.
No left foot, couldn't tackle, couldn't head a ball, But a pretty boy, who took great set pieces.
Wayne Rooney - leading England goalscorer but never produced anything when it mattered. |  |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 17:53 - Nov 9 with 5168 views | TGRRRSSS |
Excellent thread, but i feel that the slight problem is the interpretation of things here in terms of tournaments, internationals, Cups, Leagues etc.
IN terms of England on the surface Rooney is vastly overrated due to his poor tournaments every time other than Euro 2004, which in hindsight was a warning of what was to come (went off injured)
I broadly agree his stats mask a lot of things but don't always take in some of the average players around him, and some poor selections down the years and some bad or average coaching.
IN terms of England Rooney was up to a point overrated but I'd put in the caveat that without him it would have been much worse, nevertheless his own lack of professionalism at times in terms of his fitness, and looking after himself coupled with a short fuse means he is deserving in terms of England of broadly speaking failing and having on the surface brilliant stats that in 20 years time might look far better than the reality was, but like i say he sneaked a few 1-0 wins in tricky qualifiers that England were lucky to grab those all important points in qualifiers a few times. |  | | |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 17:54 - Nov 9 with 5165 views | PinnerPaul |
Andy Carroll - Sunday league style with a terrible fitness record
Tammy Abrahams - Very good, probably too good Championship player, but not tearing up any trees at Swansea and now he's in England squad? Nah, not for me. | | | |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 17:56 - Nov 9 with 5158 views | ElHoop |
David Seaman - always came across as a sort of rich man's Rob Green to me.
Yeah Beckham - what was all that about? A decent enough player to be fair and he worked very hard, but world class my arse.
Cesc Fabregas - never understood what all the fuss was about here either - half decent player again but relies on others around him being great if he's to win anything. |  | | |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 18:07 - Nov 9 with 5134 views | BasingstokeR |
Stevie G - all day long.
Completely ready to be proved wrong but so far Harry Winks. |  | | |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 18:13 - Nov 9 with 5117 views | TGRRRSSS |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 17:54 - Nov 9 by PinnerPaul |
Andy Carroll - Sunday league style with a terrible fitness record
Tammy Abrahams - Very good, probably too good Championship player, but not tearing up any trees at Swansea and now he's in England squad? Nah, not for me. |
Scoring a few goals in a bang average side managed by someone who increasingly seems a number 2 not a number 1.
Give Abraham a couple of seasons before writing him off surely? | | | |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 18:15 - Nov 9 with 5112 views | Stanisgod |
Ned. |  |
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| Players everyone rates but you dont on 18:17 - Nov 9 with 5105 views | TGRRRSSS |
Zelic.... not sure anyone rated him... Wilkins aside...  | | | |
| Players everyone rates but you dont on 18:20 - Nov 9 with 5102 views | Hayesender |
If Beckham had looked like this, he would have been lucky to get 20 caps and would never have played for Real Madrid.
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