| One thing to remember 19:41 - Dec 16 with 5809 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
Jack Robinsons contract is up at the end ofJune 2018 |  | | |  |
| One thing to remember on 13:57 - Dec 17 with 1918 views | Northernr |
| One thing to remember on 13:35 - Dec 17 by CheshireR |
A saleable asset - who's current deal will not be matched by the club at the end of the season.
I would not be surprised if he leaves in January. |
In a similar way to how we got Freeman on the cheap from Bristol because his contract was coming to an end then maybe. But if you were interested in taking him permanently, would you be thinking 'let's see if he can get through a whole season unscathed' before committing to a deal? Given his injury history would be a risk to commit to him because he's managed to stay fit and play well for four months after two and a half years on his back. |  | | |
| One thing to remember on 14:11 - Dec 17 with 1880 views | PinnerPaul |
Not convinced he is PL standard - in fact he's not!
You could argue 2 of Leeds' goals down to him last week.
Its hard to judge though as standard of Championship so far below PL.
Interesting to see what is essentially the same Newcastle that beat us 6-0 being labelled as not good enough for the PL! |  | | |
| One thing to remember on 14:36 - Dec 17 with 1857 views | CheshireR |
| One thing to remember on 13:57 - Dec 17 by Northernr |
In a similar way to how we got Freeman on the cheap from Bristol because his contract was coming to an end then maybe. But if you were interested in taking him permanently, would you be thinking 'let's see if he can get through a whole season unscathed' before committing to a deal? Given his injury history would be a risk to commit to him because he's managed to stay fit and play well for four months after two and a half years on his back. |
Given our FFP restrictions then it would make financial sense for us to sell in January.
So much the better if we can replace with a cheaper option at the same time.
I agree that any buying club - and indeed the player himself - would benefit from a summer move. I guess it will be down to how much (if any) interest is shown in the next 6 weeks. |  | | |
| One thing to remember on 15:57 - Dec 17 with 1784 views | OldPedro |
| One thing to remember on 13:57 - Dec 17 by Northernr |
In a similar way to how we got Freeman on the cheap from Bristol because his contract was coming to an end then maybe. But if you were interested in taking him permanently, would you be thinking 'let's see if he can get through a whole season unscathed' before committing to a deal? Given his injury history would be a risk to commit to him because he's managed to stay fit and play well for four months after two and a half years on his back. |
Might depend on who is interested in him - for example if Wolves get a couple of injuries to defenders in the next few weeks, they might look at Robinson and think it's worth paying a small fee to get him in January to cover. No doubt if he did go for a small fee, there would be a melt down on Twitter/Facebook about the size of the fee from those who don't understand he can walk away for nothing at the end of the season |  |
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| One thing to remember on 17:08 - Dec 17 with 1727 views | smegma |
| One thing to remember on 10:01 - Dec 17 by PunteR |
He's been decent all season to be fair. |
As a centre back yes, but Ollie hand forced with the long injury list. | | | |
| One thing to remember on 18:06 - Dec 17 with 1691 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
Value in January for a player playing well, but recovering from serious injuries pretty low. Just think how much Charlie's value was affected by his injury/state of his knees.
So likelihood of remaining to the end of the season.
That's where things change and other clubs ,with more FFP headroom, may well be able to offer him a better, more lucrative deal.
With the way he is playing I would love it if he showed some loyalty to a club that has supported him through a tough couple of years, and if we can offer him a reasonable (whatever that means these days) deal. But I'm not holding my breath on that one. | | | |
| One thing to remember on 18:12 - Dec 17 with 1680 views | Northernr |
| One thing to remember on 18:06 - Dec 17 by WrightUp5hit___ |
Value in January for a player playing well, but recovering from serious injuries pretty low. Just think how much Charlie's value was affected by his injury/state of his knees.
So likelihood of remaining to the end of the season.
That's where things change and other clubs ,with more FFP headroom, may well be able to offer him a better, more lucrative deal.
With the way he is playing I would love it if he showed some loyalty to a club that has supported him through a tough couple of years, and if we can offer him a reasonable (whatever that means these days) deal. But I'm not holding my breath on that one. |
Not sure we can lay that on too thick with him.
He signed for us thinking he was going to play, as soon as he signed we told him he had to go out on loan for the season and "didn't really care where it was", something which he kindly describes as "a bit weird". It was while on that loan that he did the injury. 'Arry the famous man manager, who signed him, never spoke to him once in the nine months they were at the club together. | | | |
| One thing to remember on 18:24 - Dec 17 with 1654 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| One thing to remember on 18:12 - Dec 17 by Northernr |
Not sure we can lay that on too thick with him.
He signed for us thinking he was going to play, as soon as he signed we told him he had to go out on loan for the season and "didn't really care where it was", something which he kindly describes as "a bit weird". It was while on that loan that he did the injury. 'Arry the famous man manager, who signed him, never spoke to him once in the nine months they were at the club together. |
I freely admit to detesting Redknapp and that it clouded my judgement and still does...but, I still wonder if Robinson was really a Redknapp signing. Not a big name, potential rather than track record, then the sudden loan. Just doesn't fit somehow?
As for his future, I think there are three factors:
Other clubs: I can't see anyone coming in for him in January, or at least I think they'd be mad to. He needs more games to prove that he's over the injuries.
QPR: I can see why we might have held off on a new contract until now, in fact it would have been wise to. But we're coming to the point where we'll surely be offering him a 20k deal with protection for injuries.
Robinson: So it may be down to him whether he wants to commit to us or not. He has the potential to play for a Premier League team but he's nowhere near that yet. If he stays with us for another eighteen months and stays fit he'll get the big move, if he moves for free in the Summer he might not get the games he needs. If injuries catch up on him again, it doesn't matter where he'll be, the only consolation will be the size of the wage packet he gets from us or someone else and the length of the contract while he's dealing with the dreadful disappointment. Might be wise to sign a 24-month deal with us for now rather than letting the contract tick down and have no protection if the worst happens again (and let's hope for his sake that it doesn't).
I think the call is his, or will be his. |  |
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| One thing to remember on 18:27 - Dec 17 with 1647 views | qprphil |
What will be will be, we would just have to get on with it. I'm sure there are many more floating about just like him. He will do what's best for him, loyalty won't come into it. | | | |
| One thing to remember on 00:06 - Dec 18 with 1519 views | SydneyRs |
| One thing to remember on 19:57 - Dec 16 by terryb |
So, do we offer him a new contract now?
I've no idea how much his current salary is or whether we could afford to match it, but I think we will do well to retain him in January.
I would sugest that he is our most likely sale in the window & would fetch far more than any other player. |
A solid season or two under his belt and this may be true. However with his injury record only the sort of club he's currently at would buy him. Kieron Dyer anyone? | | | |
| One thing to remember on 01:36 - Dec 18 with 1507 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| One thing to remember on 10:01 - Dec 17 by PunteR |
He's been decent all season to be fair. |
Really? If you say so. Forgive me for not getting carried away but 25 appearances since 2014 is hardly compelling stuff. One swallow doesn't make a spring. |  | | |
| One thing to remember on 08:24 - Dec 18 with 1413 views | Tonto |
SO UNless he become the first football player in the modern era to suddenly get an attack of altruism he’s gone by the summer at he latest... |  |
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| One thing to remember on 08:50 - Dec 18 with 1394 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I’ve stopped shedding tears for players who leave. What’s the point?
How is Niko Hammerlainen (sp?) doing? Will a Bidwell / Hammerlainen left back team be good enough, presuming Robinson is still a LB and not a CB officially? |  | | |
| One thing to remember on 09:30 - Dec 18 with 1352 views | WestbourneR |
| One thing to remember on 11:45 - Dec 17 by Northernr |
Yes he gets in the side as the left centre back in the three, where he's playing now. Far better than Lynch. Hopefully Holloway agrees.
He's not going to command any fee - he's out of contract. |
The only issue being that 3 at the back isn't a good formation for us. |  |
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| One thing to remember on 09:57 - Dec 18 with 1333 views | Northernr |
| One thing to remember on 09:30 - Dec 18 by WestbourneR |
The only issue being that 3 at the back isn't a good formation for us. |
Well for better or worse that's clearly what we're going to be playing while Holloway is in charge. | | | |
| One thing to remember on 10:15 - Dec 18 with 1304 views | derbyhoop |
| One thing to remember on 09:30 - Dec 18 by WestbourneR |
The only issue being that 3 at the back isn't a good formation for us. |
Totally disagree.
We want to play 2 up front; we have a 3 man midfield that picks itself, but doesn't offer any width; playing with 2 wing backs, gives us the width but also the defensive cover; last season we got done regularly with a back 4 exposed to attackers getting behind the midfield.
So because of all the above, 3-5-2 is absolutely the right formation for our current group of players.
Now, if you were arguing that Olly, too often, picks the wrong players for the right formation, then I might agree. |  |
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| One thing to remember on 11:41 - Dec 18 with 1255 views | toboboly |
| One thing to remember on 10:15 - Dec 18 by derbyhoop |
Totally disagree.
We want to play 2 up front; we have a 3 man midfield that picks itself, but doesn't offer any width; playing with 2 wing backs, gives us the width but also the defensive cover; last season we got done regularly with a back 4 exposed to attackers getting behind the midfield.
So because of all the above, 3-5-2 is absolutely the right formation for our current group of players.
Now, if you were arguing that Olly, too often, picks the wrong players for the right formation, then I might agree. |
I would be interested to see a 4-5-1 with two midfielders not going forward and the wingers and Freeman in the centre supporting Sylla. It might not work but we are a bit predictable and I don't think Pav can do the wing back thing. |  |
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| One thing to remember on 12:13 - Dec 18 with 1212 views | WestbourneR |
| One thing to remember on 10:15 - Dec 18 by derbyhoop |
Totally disagree.
We want to play 2 up front; we have a 3 man midfield that picks itself, but doesn't offer any width; playing with 2 wing backs, gives us the width but also the defensive cover; last season we got done regularly with a back 4 exposed to attackers getting behind the midfield.
So because of all the above, 3-5-2 is absolutely the right formation for our current group of players.
Now, if you were arguing that Olly, too often, picks the wrong players for the right formation, then I might agree. |
Well I totally disagree with you! The team has been playing terribly and yet you back the formation they play. Very odd.
Reasons why 352 is the wrong formation... and there are many...
I don't see why we want to play two upfront - Conor Washington isn't worth building a formation around. We've bent over backward for him - first it was 'he needs a good run' then it was 'he needs a big man partner' we'll had it all and has never delivered. He's just never going to be good enough. He must be dropped and moved on while he still worth any money at all.
I totally agree that the 352 lacks width in the midfield but I don't think the wing backs have ever even once proven that they can solve the problem. How often do they get in behind teams and to the by-line to put in dangerous cross? Very rarely to never. Are the players we play at wing back actually playing their correct position? - Pawel, Bidwell, Cousins, Manning, etc. no not one. Have our wing backs ever made their position count and played better than a 6/10? No.
So a formation that fundamentally revolves around wing backs makes no sense at all for us with the squad we have. To make it worse it's a formation that has NO WINGERS which even more insane as we have lots of them including three we bought this summer.
4231 works much better for our squad, its has width, it uses wingers, it keeps Scowen, Luongo and Freeman together, it allows us to play Sylla up top (he's a good fit for one up top if you can get the wingers and Freeman close to him).
It just makes a lot more sense. | |
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| One thing to remember on 12:13 - Dec 18 with 1212 views | stevec |
Until we get 2 decent forwards I doubt any formation will make that much difference.
If you've got forwards who scare the opposition your defence will look better. Lately it's been like the Alamo every second half, that's when defences get ropey.
An article in everybody's favourite paper today was encouraging. Les clearly laments the decline of two out and out forwards in favour of this shi ty number ten fixation, and seems like he favours the Ferdinand/Shearer, Ferdinand/Gallen era. Amen to that.
Just hope he tells TF. |  | | |
| One thing to remember on 12:14 - Dec 18 with 1206 views | WestbourneR |
| One thing to remember on 11:41 - Dec 18 by toboboly |
I would be interested to see a 4-5-1 with two midfielders not going forward and the wingers and Freeman in the centre supporting Sylla. It might not work but we are a bit predictable and I don't think Pav can do the wing back thing. |
Mate absolutely the formation I've been advocating and laid out last week. I'm saying it's a 4231 - but you've got to advanced wingers and Freeman in the hole behind Sylla. It's a much better fit for us. | |
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| One thing to remember on 12:25 - Dec 18 with 1189 views | TacticalR |
What's the formation where the centre-back runs up and scores the goals? Or is it simply totaalvoetbal? |  |
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| One thing to remember on 12:35 - Dec 18 with 1179 views | Dorse |
It is a real embuggerance that he hits fitness and form just as his contract is beginning to run down. I'd love him to stay but I can't see it. We'll probably see him leave at the end of the season with Onuoha, JET and Caulker.
However, the U23s seem to have two CBs looking to move up into the First Team Squad, Paul and Phillips, and Hamalainen and Kakay look decent prospects. Furlong could play as the right sided CB too. Porno Penrice may also have someone up his sleeve - he knows how to pick them.
We have options although losing an in-form Robinson would be a shame. If he goes, let it be in January so we can get even some sort of meagre pittance for him. Come on guvnor, it's Christmas. Gawd bless us all Tiny Tim. |  |
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| One thing to remember on 13:19 - Dec 18 with 1122 views | toboboly |
| One thing to remember on 12:35 - Dec 18 by Dorse |
It is a real embuggerance that he hits fitness and form just as his contract is beginning to run down. I'd love him to stay but I can't see it. We'll probably see him leave at the end of the season with Onuoha, JET and Caulker.
However, the U23s seem to have two CBs looking to move up into the First Team Squad, Paul and Phillips, and Hamalainen and Kakay look decent prospects. Furlong could play as the right sided CB too. Porno Penrice may also have someone up his sleeve - he knows how to pick them.
We have options although losing an in-form Robinson would be a shame. If he goes, let it be in January so we can get even some sort of meagre pittance for him. Come on guvnor, it's Christmas. Gawd bless us all Tiny Tim. |
Thing is, if his wages are an impediment and we could get 3/4 other players in for the same wages it is a no brainer to get rid unless he was single handedly winning every game by himself. | |
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