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Over 2016/17 and 2017/18 our strikers compare like this -
Sylla.......14 goals......2389 minutes played.....171 minutes per goal Smith.....12 goals......2626 minutes played.....219 minutes per goal Washington..11 goals..3915 minutes played..356 minutes per goal Mackie...5 goals......2216 minutes per goal....443 minutes per goal
The same stat (last two seasons) for some of the more prolific scorers in the Championship at the moment - Assombolonga....156 minutes per goal Vibe....................165 minutes per goal Vydra..................174 minutes per goal Reid (Bris C)........269 minutes per goal Adomah..............283 minutes per goal
For me by far the most important thing with strikers is how often they score. That's their job. Assists are good too. What they look like while their doing it is neither here nor there. People who criticise Sylla, or don't start him in the team, should reflect on those stats.
Over 2016/17 and 2017/18 our strikers compare like this -
Sylla.......14 goals......2389 minutes played.....171 minutes per goal Smith.....12 goals......2626 minutes played.....219 minutes per goal Washington..11 goals..3915 minutes played..356 minutes per goal Mackie...5 goals......2216 minutes per goal....443 minutes per goal
The same stat (last two seasons) for some of the more prolific scorers in the Championship at the moment - Assombolonga....156 minutes per goal Vibe....................165 minutes per goal Vydra..................174 minutes per goal Reid (Bris C)........269 minutes per goal Adomah..............283 minutes per goal
For me by far the most important thing with strikers is how often they score. That's their job. Assists are good too. What they look like while their doing it is neither here nor there. People who criticise Sylla, or don't start him in the team, should reflect on those stats.
Yep, some nice analysis there.
I don't think LBlock was saying that Sylla can score 15-20 goals a season on his own - he said he needs good service to do it and I also think he's capable of 15-20 goals with some more balls from the by-line/actual chances in the box.
As has been pointed out before, it's not like we give our strikers amazing service, is it? From the games I've seen this season, I've seen Washington and Smith miss far more 'easy' chances than Sylla
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Sylla not featuring today on 13:13 - Jan 7 by smegma
This sounds like two bald men fighting over a comb.
All 4 forwards are pony. The only one who can head a ball is Smith. But that's all he can do. And being six foot twelvety he should be able to.
Get ready for the turn of the tombola handle every week from now until May.
What has height got to do with heading a ball? That's like saying someone should be good at football if they have big feet.
Heading is all about technique. Height may give you a small advantage with high balls, but, as I've said before on here, one of the best headers that ever existed was/is Tim Cahill. Not a tall man, but someone who practised his ass off at jumping and the technique of heading.
Bare bones.
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Sylla not featuring today on 14:29 - Jan 7 with 2124 views
I think stats can be misleading especially when they look at pass, tackle, dribble success. However, I’m not sure how you can argue with goal scoring stats. Sylla with right service will get goals.
Over 2016/17 and 2017/18 our strikers compare like this -
Sylla.......14 goals......2389 minutes played.....171 minutes per goal Smith.....12 goals......2626 minutes played.....219 minutes per goal Washington..11 goals..3915 minutes played..356 minutes per goal Mackie...5 goals......2216 minutes per goal....443 minutes per goal
The same stat (last two seasons) for some of the more prolific scorers in the Championship at the moment - Assombolonga....156 minutes per goal Vibe....................165 minutes per goal Vydra..................174 minutes per goal Reid (Bris C)........269 minutes per goal Adomah..............283 minutes per goal
For me by far the most important thing with strikers is how often they score. That's their job. Assists are good too. What they look like while their doing it is neither here nor there. People who criticise Sylla, or don't start him in the team, should reflect on those stats.
...and actually he was 148 minutes per goal last season from only 14 starts (and 18 substitutions). So if he started every game and got decent service there's every reason to believe that he could score 15+ goals.. but of course IH is never going to set up the team to enable that.
100% of people who drink water will die.
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Sylla not featuring today on 15:31 - Jan 7 by SimonJames
...and actually he was 148 minutes per goal last season from only 14 starts (and 18 substitutions). So if he started every game and got decent service there's every reason to believe that he could score 15+ goals.. but of course IH is never going to set up the team to enable that.
Too right.
Quite a few on here emphasise the need for more width and crosses. After Freeman, Wszolek would be the best source of crosses and perhaps the best 'fit' with Sylla. However of the 70 matches played since Sylla and Wszolek signed they have only started in the same team 14 times.
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Sylla not featuring today on 19:01 - Jan 7 with 1934 views
A player who has scored 4 goals this season is the next Gerd Muller?? You may think he is our best forward, that's up to debate, but he is not up to scratch at Championship level. None of them are. That's why we are struggling for goals.
I will now bang my head against a brick wall.
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Sylla not featuring today on 20:16 - Jan 7 with 1901 views
At least Sylla can do one thing - if the ball drops to him in the box he can (usually) take his chance. Washington can't do anything.
One problem with our current setup is that it seems we have to have a lot in place for Smith or Sylla to get a goal. It reminds me of the seating system at West Ham. You might have thought that with all the money spent on the stadium the extra seating would swing into place with the touch of a button. In fact a lot of men are involved dragging the seats into position. It seems for Smith or Sylla to score the team must be wrenched into a particular formation, wingers brought on, and the ball hit at the right height and pace. As one or all of those elements are generally missing from our play we are now reliant on our defenders scoring (or the opposition scoring own goals).
The great thing about Paul Smyth's goal against Cardiff was that he created something out of nothing.
Air hostess clique
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Sylla not featuring today on 20:33 - Jan 7 with 1874 views
Sylla not featuring today on 19:01 - Jan 7 by smegma
A player who has scored 4 goals this season is the next Gerd Muller?? You may think he is our best forward, that's up to debate, but he is not up to scratch at Championship level. None of them are. That's why we are struggling for goals.
I will now bang my head against a brick wall.
Good. Maybe it'll knock a bit of sense into you. Do you not realise that a player has to be on the pitch to score. So minutes played is the only sensible measure of opportunity. On that measure Sylla compares quite favourably to the more successful strikers in the division, despite his faults.
Admittedly this season is not as good as last but he has been in and out of the side, left out more times than started, paired with every combination of striker, winger, and no wingers all typical of the Holloway's tombola methods. Hopefully Holloway is at least cured of the Washington/Mackie madness.
On goals scored we are 18th/19th in the Championship. On goals conceded we are 17th in the Championship. Seems to me that the team is mediocre all-round, and the blame the strikers obsession is just a cop out for those that want to believe the team is otherwise better than it is. Perhaps the Washington supporters now get some solace with this 'well all the strikers are useless' argument.
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Sylla not featuring today on 21:17 - Jan 7 with 1805 views
Problem with Sylla is he can't make or score a goal unless he is in or around the 6-yard box, have a look at his goals from last season.
Not one is from outside the 18-yard box or with him running at a defence with the ball. so yes he has fed off crosses. it's one dimensional but so is Smith I hear you say.
But Smith is a better link man as we saw with him playing with Smyth v Cardiff
How many assists does Sylla have, I don't know off hand but can't think of any
Sylla not featuring today on 22:27 - Jan 7 by 2Thomas2Bowles
Problem with Sylla is he can't make or score a goal unless he is in or around the 6-yard box, have a look at his goals from last season.
Not one is from outside the 18-yard box or with him running at a defence with the ball. so yes he has fed off crosses. it's one dimensional but so is Smith I hear you say.
But Smith is a better link man as we saw with him playing with Smyth v Cardiff
How many assists does Sylla have, I don't know off hand but can't think of any
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BBC STATS
Matt Smith Mins 152 per goal
Mins 913 played
6 Goals scored
3 Assists
Idrissa Sylla Mins 228 per goal
Mins 913 played
4 Goals scored
0 Assists
[Post edited 7 Jan 2018 22:46]
.So let me see if I've got my maths right here...
913 = 10 full games + an average of 1.3 minutes injury time
There are 46 games in a season 46/10 = 4.6
4.6 * 4 goals = 18.4 goals per season
>>> That seems to fit in nicely Lblock's 15-20 goals prediction
100% of people who drink water will die.
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Sylla not featuring today on 23:27 - Jan 7 with 1646 views
Sylla not featuring today on 22:27 - Jan 7 by 2Thomas2Bowles
Problem with Sylla is he can't make or score a goal unless he is in or around the 6-yard box, have a look at his goals from last season.
Not one is from outside the 18-yard box or with him running at a defence with the ball. so yes he has fed off crosses. it's one dimensional but so is Smith I hear you say.
But Smith is a better link man as we saw with him playing with Smyth v Cardiff
How many assists does Sylla have, I don't know off hand but can't think of any
Edit
BBC STATS
Matt Smith Mins 152 per goal
Mins 913 played
6 Goals scored
3 Assists
Idrissa Sylla Mins 228 per goal
Mins 913 played
4 Goals scored
0 Assists
[Post edited 7 Jan 2018 22:46]
Don't worry. That's what smegma was looking for. The next Gerd Muller.
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Sylla not featuring today on 23:29 - Jan 7 with 1642 views
Sylla would help his game if he anticipated anything, too often he waits for the ball to hit him. Several times balls have been crossed along the box and he's stood watching with arms in the air rather than anticipating where it will go and running onto it.
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Sylla not featuring today on 23:47 - Jan 7 with 1613 views
Where are we going to get more strikers from exactly? This board will go mental if we try find one at Conference level and even the prolific ones there can cost over a million quid. Matty Taylor was banging them in for fun higher than that and can barely get a game at Bristol City - even with service beyond the odd Freeman cross.
Unless we miraculously find another Charlie Austin no one is going to get 20 goals a season in this team
“The thing about football - the important thing about football - is that it is not just about football.â€
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