| Frogs Are Hopping Mad 17:36 - Dec 2 with 7952 views | Boston |
....let them fill their petrol tanks with cake, sniff. |  |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 03:27 - Dec 3 with 5160 views | timcocking |
Any excuse for a tantrum with the French.
Always knew, every time we played a French team, there'd be some argy bargy. Never really with the Scandinavians, Germans, Brits but always with the French or Italian types. They can't seem to cope with anything without histrionics. |  | | |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 08:15 - Dec 3 with 5086 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Yeah those fcking French are always throwing their toys out of their pram.
Anyway, must dash, I’ve got to get to my low paid and insecure job without Trade Union recognition. |  | | |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 08:27 - Dec 3 with 5079 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 08:15 - Dec 3 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Yeah those fcking French are always throwing their toys out of their pram.
Anyway, must dash, I’ve got to get to my low paid and insecure job without Trade Union recognition. |
Off to catch the ferry? |  | | |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 13:50 - Dec 3 with 4957 views | derbyhoop |
Prices rose by 7.5 cents this year and are scheduled to go up by another 6.5 in January. For rural communities where people drive 200-300K kilometres per year, that is a huge extra cost.
Generally speaking the protests have caused a fair bit of disruption without descending into violence. But, there are no obvious leaders with whom the government can negotiate; it's being driven through social media; and the campaigns have been hijacked by both far-left and far-right groups who welcome the trouble. |  |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 14:08 - Dec 3 with 4947 views | hopphoops |
I sympathise with both sides here. As in the UK, massive investment is needed in alternatives to single occupancy cars outside the big cities.
And it's meant some money saved at the tolls for me...
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 18:30 - Dec 3 with 4842 views | loftboy |
Don’t think we’ve had a decent tear up since the poll tax riots nearly 30 years ago. [Post edited 5 Dec 2018 11:04]
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 19:03 - Dec 3 with 4812 views | Stanisgod |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 18:30 - Dec 3 by loftboy |
Don’t think we’ve had a decent tear up since the poll tax riots nearly 30 years ago. [Post edited 5 Dec 2018 11:04]
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Exactly, at least they do something instead of just sitting back and moaning, now where's that telly control.
PS Tories doing a grand job, now being reported 1 in 8 working people classed as in poverty. Class. |  |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 22:45 - Dec 6 with 4549 views | derbyhoop |
Had a long discussion with my French tutor today. The gilet jaune movement got what they wanted but the protests are continuing with big demo on Saturday.
There's a need to reduce the reliance on fossil fuels, just like the UK.
It's turned into an anti-austerity protest, just like the UK.
There's also protests against the elites in the big cities, especially the capital. Just like the UK | |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 01:21 - Dec 7 with 4494 views | Boston |
A Guillorine expert writes....your time is coming, aristo. | |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 10:45 - Dec 7 with 4403 views | GloryHunter |
The French certainly know how to protest. When things go wrong in England - like the appalling train service and recent fare rise announcement - we just roll our eyes at each other and tut-tut a bit. The French would immediately throw up the barricades and set light to a few tractor tyres. Good for them. Vive la ReÌvolution. |  | | |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 11:31 - Dec 7 with 4368 views | Boston |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 10:45 - Dec 7 by GloryHunter |
The French certainly know how to protest. When things go wrong in England - like the appalling train service and recent fare rise announcement - we just roll our eyes at each other and tut-tut a bit. The French would immediately throw up the barricades and set light to a few tractor tyres. Good for them. Vive la ReÌvolution. |
It’s the setting light to live sheep that was disturbing. | |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 12:24 - Dec 7 with 4309 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 03:27 - Dec 3 by timcocking |
Any excuse for a tantrum with the French.
Always knew, every time we played a French team, there'd be some argy bargy. Never really with the Scandinavians, Germans, Brits but always with the French or Italian types. They can't seem to cope with anything without histrionics. |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 12:30 - Dec 7 with 4300 views | BrianMcCarthy |
The western world has accepted an incredible amount of hardship recently with barely a whimper - austerity, diminution of sovereignty, erosion of democracy and constant war in the Middle East leading to terrorism on home shores.
The British have rebelled briefly against poll tax, the Irish against water charges and now the French against fuel taxes. The Elite must be $hitting it. | |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 14:57 - Dec 7 with 4138 views | Boston |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 14:01 - Dec 7 by BrianMcCarthy |
That's who we need.
My friend's father was one of the main people behind the water charges protest in movement. I couldn't begin to tell him how disappointed I was with him. At a time when €80 billion of Irish taxpayer money was promised to private companies and at a time when vast quantities of Irish oil and gas was being given to private companies for free the Irish water charges protests harnessed all of the huge frustration and anger in the Irish people and diverted into a miniscule issue that saved us each €140. And everyone went home happy, just missing €80billion and all their gas and oil.
Win? Of course they were going to win. I'm surprised the Irish Government didn't wrap up the €140 in Christmas paper and a shiny bow.
Poll Tax? Fuel Charges? Of course they were going to win. |
As an Irish lady friend of mine said..”charge us for water, but it never stops raining!”. | |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 19:55 - Dec 7 with 4056 views | Monahoop |
Funny lot the French, at times. A new president comes in, left or right it doesn't matter. Changes are promised. The people sit back and wait and get on quietly with their lives. The new government wants to raise a tax or two. Big mistake, at least in France it is. Everyone suddenly becomes a revolutionary peasant. Riots ensue. The government backs down. People retreat back to their normal lives. A new president is elected, left or right it doesn't matter. Changes are promised. The people sit back and wait and get on quietly with their lives. The new government wants to raise a tax or two. Big mistake as we have seen before. Everyone becomes a revolutionary peasant. Riots ensue. The government backs down. Normality returns that is until another government is elected and the whole vicious, repetitive circle of riots and revolution returns. Don't they ever get bored over there with this stuff? And where does it get them? Nowhere, but repetition. Funny lot the French, at times. |  |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 20:06 - Dec 7 with 4047 views | Sharpy36 |
Where does it get them, it gets the Government to wake up and listen to their electorate once in a while and put a stop to a sweeping fuel tax that harms large swaths of the population that`s where it gets them. Good on them i say. |  |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 20:31 - Dec 7 with 4032 views | QPR_John |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 20:06 - Dec 7 by Sharpy36 |
Where does it get them, it gets the Government to wake up and listen to their electorate once in a while and put a stop to a sweeping fuel tax that harms large swaths of the population that`s where it gets them. Good on them i say. |
So that's what we need to do to get our government to listen to its electorate | | | |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 21:08 - Dec 7 with 4009 views | Sharpy36 |
I`m not advocating violence or destruction to property by any means but sometimes people want their voices heard, and if through the ballot box, and the likes of peacefull demonstration we are constantly ignored by those we put in power because they know best, unfortunately an ever increasing section in society will see this as a red rag to a bull situation.
Will it happen here ?, possibly. The uk is more fractured than it has been in my life time and dosen`t look like healing itself anytime soon, and that blame lays squarely at the feet of the 600 or so MP`s that have brought us to this point. | |
| 'You didn't know that was wrong, but now you do. If you do it again, I'll know you are doing it on purpose.' |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 22:38 - Dec 7 with 3958 views | FDC |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 12:30 - Dec 7 by BrianMcCarthy |
The western world has accepted an incredible amount of hardship recently with barely a whimper - austerity, diminution of sovereignty, erosion of democracy and constant war in the Middle East leading to terrorism on home shores.
The British have rebelled briefly against poll tax, the Irish against water charges and now the French against fuel taxes. The Elite must be $hitting it. |
Would you not include the 2008 riots in the catalogue? If not why not? The elites did shit themselves then, and locked kids up for stealing trainers.
I don't think you can stick a label on a protest and say "this is about fuel prices" etc. Just as you can be sure the reports will say "outside agitators are turning up and burning cars" (no doubt true) any spark that galvanises a moment becomes a totem for a multitude of grievances.
I do wonder how the "Labour would be 120% ahead in the polls if Kendall / Miliband / Cooper were in charge" crowd reconcile this. This was *always* going to happen, Macron and his neoliberal continuation was always going to pave the way for Le Pen. Incredible how the liberal sages find the gall to keep writing opinion pieces really. |  | | |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 22:46 - Dec 7 with 3948 views | colinallcars |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 21:08 - Dec 7 by Sharpy36 |
I`m not advocating violence or destruction to property by any means but sometimes people want their voices heard, and if through the ballot box, and the likes of peacefull demonstration we are constantly ignored by those we put in power because they know best, unfortunately an ever increasing section in society will see this as a red rag to a bull situation.
Will it happen here ?, possibly. The uk is more fractured than it has been in my life time and dosen`t look like healing itself anytime soon, and that blame lays squarely at the feet of the 600 or so MP`s that have brought us to this point. |
Generally speaking the people of this country haven't been very “left wing” - an I'm alright Jack attitude pervades.
The 1945 Election was almost the only one to bring in a socialist government with a large majority.
Many, if not most people view unions with fear and contempt. On the relatively few occasions when people have showed solidarity, the establishment have come down hard. ( Red Clyde, the miners in the 80s etc).
Society in this country has become too fragmented for collective action to take place. |  | | |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 23:22 - Dec 7 with 3917 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 22:38 - Dec 7 by FDC |
Would you not include the 2008 riots in the catalogue? If not why not? The elites did shit themselves then, and locked kids up for stealing trainers.
I don't think you can stick a label on a protest and say "this is about fuel prices" etc. Just as you can be sure the reports will say "outside agitators are turning up and burning cars" (no doubt true) any spark that galvanises a moment becomes a totem for a multitude of grievances.
I do wonder how the "Labour would be 120% ahead in the polls if Kendall / Miliband / Cooper were in charge" crowd reconcile this. This was *always* going to happen, Macron and his neoliberal continuation was always going to pave the way for Le Pen. Incredible how the liberal sages find the gall to keep writing opinion pieces really. |
"Would you not include the 2008 riots in the catalogue? If not why not? The elites did shit themselves then, and locked kids up for stealing trainers."
I forgot about them. Fair point.
"I don't think you can stick a label on a protest and say "this is about fuel prices" etc. Just as you can be sure the reports will say "outside agitators are turning up and burning cars" (no doubt true) any spark that galvanises a moment becomes a totem for a multitude of grievances."
Again, fair point. But once the protestors got their headline item they stopped protesting.
"I do wonder how the "Labour would be 120% ahead in the polls if Kendall / Miliband / Cooper were in charge" crowd reconcile this. This was *always* going to happen, Macron and his neoliberal continuation was always going to pave the way for Le Pen. Incredible how the liberal sages find the gall to keep writing opinion pieces really."
I don' know enough to comment on this but, as always, your stuff is thought-provoking and I will think about it. | |
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| Frogs Are Hopping Mad on 23:44 - Dec 7 with 3900 views | FDC |
I get chippy over Macron because he just personifies the great liberal hope for a return to normality, and the Guardian etc are just so explicit about it.
During the French presidential elections liberals were all screaming "Oh you awful Melenchon commies you want to split the anti Le Pen vote because you'd prefer a fascist over Macron because you're all the same, why can't you just be sensible. Socialists are the same as fascists etc etc"
And those of us suppprting Melenchon said quite explicitly that if you elect someone who continues with the same policies that have given birth to the new far right in France you will see it all again in four years but with renewed strength, because you will be furthering the conditions that have given rise to it..... "you commies you hate the centre because you're basically fascists etc etc". And here we are.
See also Clinton and Trump. Liberals are honestly a menace and will get us all killed. [Post edited 8 Dec 2018 0:14]
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