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Tory Leadership Race 09:57 - May 31 with 41130 viewsDorse

Not a party political thing or a reason for an LFW punch-up, but I keep having the eerie feeling that eventually every single Tory MP will put themselves forward leaving Teresa May with the casting vote. At which point, she cackles maniacally and slowly points at Jacob Rees Mogg sitting at the back, with the entire parliamentary party turning to stare at him... He is seen to gulp and mutter 'Oh, copulate my happenstance'

'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'

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Tory Leadership Race on 15:28 - Jun 10 with 1150 viewsWatford_Ranger

Tory Leadership Race on 15:14 - Jun 10 by Sharpy36

Although i think this better suited for the other thread. Could i ask you why you feel the Brexit party is being rumbled ?


There’s not much to rumble until they bother to create some policies.

Easy to vote for in a non-local election you don’t even believe should be happening. Harder to vote for one of them to actually represent you and local issues in our parliament.
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Tory Leadership Race on 18:19 - Jun 10 with 1062 viewsrunningman75

Faisal Islam discusses the 10 contenders as unicorn Grand National without the dope tests.
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Tory Leadership Race on 18:58 - Jun 10 with 1015 viewsdaveB

Of the 10 nominated I hope Rory Stewart wins, he comes across quite well and I like his plan for national service for 16 year olds with them doing 2 weeks with a community project and 2 weeks work experience, it would help give kids a bit of a purpose. Plus he;s the only one not promising a mythical new deal on Brexit and just says it's this deal or no brexit which is what will end up happening as no deal will never get through parliament,
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Tory Leadership Race on 19:11 - Jun 10 with 997 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

Tory Leadership Race on 18:58 - Jun 10 by daveB

Of the 10 nominated I hope Rory Stewart wins, he comes across quite well and I like his plan for national service for 16 year olds with them doing 2 weeks with a community project and 2 weeks work experience, it would help give kids a bit of a purpose. Plus he;s the only one not promising a mythical new deal on Brexit and just says it's this deal or no brexit which is what will end up happening as no deal will never get through parliament,


Like voting for your favourite STD.
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Tory Leadership Race on 20:44 - Jun 10 with 900 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 18:58 - Jun 10 by daveB

Of the 10 nominated I hope Rory Stewart wins, he comes across quite well and I like his plan for national service for 16 year olds with them doing 2 weeks with a community project and 2 weeks work experience, it would help give kids a bit of a purpose. Plus he;s the only one not promising a mythical new deal on Brexit and just says it's this deal or no brexit which is what will end up happening as no deal will never get through parliament,


No deal.is the legal default , run the clock down and do nothing and we are out ...
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Tory Leadership Race on 20:46 - Jun 10 with 897 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 18:58 - Jun 10 by daveB

Of the 10 nominated I hope Rory Stewart wins, he comes across quite well and I like his plan for national service for 16 year olds with them doing 2 weeks with a community project and 2 weeks work experience, it would help give kids a bit of a purpose. Plus he;s the only one not promising a mythical new deal on Brexit and just says it's this deal or no brexit which is what will end up happening as no deal will never get through parliament,


Rory Stewart has no chance , he wont make the final two . It will be Johnson and Raab or Johnson and Gove .
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Tory Leadership Race on 20:53 - Jun 10 with 888 viewsbaldyoldgit

Tory Leadership Race on 20:44 - Jun 10 by essextaxiboy

No deal.is the legal default , run the clock down and do nothing and we are out ...


parliament can and will stop them running the clock down.
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Tory Leadership Race on 20:54 - Jun 10 with 885 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 15:28 - Jun 10 by Watford_Ranger

There’s not much to rumble until they bother to create some policies.

Easy to vote for in a non-local election you don’t even believe should be happening. Harder to vote for one of them to actually represent you and local issues in our parliament.


They are carrying a big stick . Once they are happy that the deal is the best we can get they will do an election pact with the Torys to not stand
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Tory Leadership Race on 20:55 - Jun 10 with 885 viewsWatford_Ranger

Tory Leadership Race on 20:44 - Jun 10 by essextaxiboy

No deal.is the legal default , run the clock down and do nothing and we are out ...


Just so I’m clear, that would be a good thing?
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Tory Leadership Race on 20:59 - Jun 10 with 876 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 20:53 - Jun 10 by baldyoldgit

parliament can and will stop them running the clock down.


How ?
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Tory Leadership Race on 21:06 - Jun 10 with 864 viewsbaldyoldgit

a new queens speech will have to be accepted and can have amendments tabled against it. if they do nothing labour + all others + a couple of anti no deal tories will table a vote of no confidence. Followed by general election.

doing nothing will not be an option.
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Tory Leadership Race on 21:08 - Jun 10 with 853 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 20:55 - Jun 10 by Watford_Ranger

Just so I’m clear, that would be a good thing?


Its better than the wrong deal that we would have to live with for decades . It doesnt mean that we would stop talking but it does mean we would be taken seriously . We should have prepared for it all along and published loudly and publicly our progress . To answer your question , not a good thing but the ball is in the EU court . They know the sticking points .
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Tory Leadership Race on 21:20 - Jun 10 with 821 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 21:06 - Jun 10 by baldyoldgit

a new queens speech will have to be accepted and can have amendments tabled against it. if they do nothing labour + all others + a couple of anti no deal tories will table a vote of no confidence. Followed by general election.

doing nothing will not be an option.


Only a vote of no confidence could stop it . No Tory IMO would vote for it .
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Tory Leadership Race on 21:26 - Jun 10 with 814 viewsconnell10

Tory Leadership Race on 20:54 - Jun 10 by essextaxiboy

They are carrying a big stick . Once they are happy that the deal is the best we can get they will do an election pact with the Torys to not stand


Ah yes the Brexit party formed by failed Torys for failed Torys!

AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
Poll: best number 10 ever?

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Tory Leadership Race on 21:41 - Jun 10 with 787 viewsbaldyoldgit

Tory Leadership Race on 21:20 - Jun 10 by essextaxiboy

Only a vote of no confidence could stop it . No Tory IMO would vote for it .


well we'll see. IMO parliament wont let no deal happen by accident. all the same issues are still there (NI border, etc) even if we crash out so what's the point? EU will still want their money. EU will still want to protect their single market.
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Tory Leadership Race on 21:49 - Jun 10 with 769 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 21:41 - Jun 10 by baldyoldgit

well we'll see. IMO parliament wont let no deal happen by accident. all the same issues are still there (NI border, etc) even if we crash out so what's the point? EU will still want their money. EU will still want to protect their single market.


What money ? Nothing is agreed til everything is agreed .We agree to abide by legal arbitration and pay what we legally owe with a promise to keep talking with the balance on the table as a gesture of goodwill on our part .
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Tory Leadership Race on 21:58 - Jun 10 with 752 viewsbaldyoldgit

Tory Leadership Race on 21:49 - Jun 10 by essextaxiboy

What money ? Nothing is agreed til everything is agreed .We agree to abide by legal arbitration and pay what we legally owe with a promise to keep talking with the balance on the table as a gesture of goodwill on our part .


would you like some unicorns with that?

The UK has agreed a withdrawal agreement.

Th EU will not renegotiate that agreement.

Having a new PM will not affect either of those two facts.

If we crash out of 730+ international treaties, agreements, trade arrangements and laws all in one day we will need to go to the EU asap to do some sort of deal.

The EU will point at the previously agreed withdrawal agreement and laugh, all the same issues are still there only now we'll be desperate.

Parliament knows this.
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Tory Leadership Race on 22:31 - Jun 10 with 707 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 21:58 - Jun 10 by baldyoldgit

would you like some unicorns with that?

The UK has agreed a withdrawal agreement.

Th EU will not renegotiate that agreement.

Having a new PM will not affect either of those two facts.

If we crash out of 730+ international treaties, agreements, trade arrangements and laws all in one day we will need to go to the EU asap to do some sort of deal.

The EU will point at the previously agreed withdrawal agreement and laugh, all the same issues are still there only now we'll be desperate.

Parliament knows this.


Its not a withdrawal agreement it is a treaty .We havnt signed it . Nothing is agreed .
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Tory Leadership Race on 22:42 - Jun 10 with 690 viewsdaveB

Tory Leadership Race on 20:44 - Jun 10 by essextaxiboy

No deal.is the legal default , run the clock down and do nothing and we are out ...


it's been agreed in parliament they have to vote on how we leave, they won't vote for no deal so despite what Boris and co say the only way we leave is the current deal or revoke and start again
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Tory Leadership Race on 22:45 - Jun 10 with 680 viewsdaveB

Tory Leadership Race on 22:31 - Jun 10 by essextaxiboy

Its not a withdrawal agreement it is a treaty .We havnt signed it . Nothing is agreed .


it is a withdrawal agreement, the actual deal on how we leave the EU hasn't even started to be negotiated yet
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Tory Leadership Race on 22:46 - Jun 10 with 680 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 22:42 - Jun 10 by daveB

it's been agreed in parliament they have to vote on how we leave, they won't vote for no deal so despite what Boris and co say the only way we leave is the current deal or revoke and start again


No ,they have to vote and approve any deal . There wouldnt be a deal .
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Tory Leadership Race on 22:56 - Jun 10 with 666 viewsbaldyoldgit

Tory Leadership Race on 22:31 - Jun 10 by essextaxiboy

Its not a withdrawal agreement it is a treaty .We havnt signed it . Nothing is agreed .


A50 requires us to leave with or without an agreement BEFORE a new treaty is signed. EU can not negotiate a new 'deal' until we are a 3rd country. Hence the 'future framework' gobbledygook.

'nothing is agreed until everything is a greed' just doesn't exist. we have to leave first.

Genuine question : Do you think a new PM will get to renegotiate a new WA?
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Tory Leadership Race on 23:12 - Jun 10 with 638 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 22:56 - Jun 10 by baldyoldgit

A50 requires us to leave with or without an agreement BEFORE a new treaty is signed. EU can not negotiate a new 'deal' until we are a 3rd country. Hence the 'future framework' gobbledygook.

'nothing is agreed until everything is a greed' just doesn't exist. we have to leave first.

Genuine question : Do you think a new PM will get to renegotiate a new WA?


I think we have to be prepared for no deal and walk them to the edge . They have form for last minute compromise .We have to allow them to save face.
Bottom line No they wont re open it but they will find a way of legally moving towards us ...IMO
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Tory Leadership Race on 23:20 - Jun 10 with 622 viewskensalriser

Tory Leadership Race on 23:12 - Jun 10 by essextaxiboy

I think we have to be prepared for no deal and walk them to the edge . They have form for last minute compromise .We have to allow them to save face.
Bottom line No they wont re open it but they will find a way of legally moving towards us ...IMO


This is the same delusional nonsense that various hard brexit loons have been spouting for months.

EU is holding all the cards, no matter what idiotic wartime fighting spirit cliches are being dredged up.

Poll: Come on then, let's have it.

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Tory Leadership Race on 23:29 - Jun 10 with 606 viewsessextaxiboy

Tory Leadership Race on 23:20 - Jun 10 by kensalriser

This is the same delusional nonsense that various hard brexit loons have been spouting for months.

EU is holding all the cards, no matter what idiotic wartime fighting spirit cliches are being dredged up.


If they are holding all of the cards why not just insist we go ? .Why negotiate at all ?
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