| Freeman to the blades 14:32 - Jun 21 with 37999 views | Gloucs_R |
For just £4m???
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| Freeman to the blades on 12:00 - Jun 22 with 3595 views | FDC |
| Freeman to the blades on 07:32 - Jun 22 by Gloucs_R |
I seen to recall that he didn't suit their system |
Wasn't it that they kept playing him in a wide position when he prefers playing centrally? That's where he came alive for us, and his performances are less dynamic when we were push him wide. |  | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 13:07 - Jun 22 with 3443 views | Match82 |
Freeman is a great player and could do a job in the prem in my opinion. But he's probably at least close to his peak, certainly from an age perspective. The players going for insane fees these days from the championship probably aren't better than Freeman but they are younger. People pay for mythical potential.
I'd actually expect us to get more for Eze than Freeman for that reason. And isn't it nice that we finally have a few youngsters coming through and might be able to cash in on this trend? |  | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 15:03 - Jun 22 with 3298 views | Gloucs_R |
They've bid 6m apparently | |
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| Freeman to the blades on 15:30 - Jun 22 with 3245 views | blacky2013 |
| Freeman to the blades on 10:15 - Jun 22 by PunteR |
How is it good business to sell something thats worth more to us than to another team? |
If it is in his contract then thats the best we can do! |  | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 15:44 - Jun 22 with 3224 views | QPR_John |
| Freeman to the blades on 08:59 - Jun 22 by blacky2013 |
I think the problem here is that although he is our best player by a stretch that supporters value him to what he is worth to us and not what he is worth in the market. Any prem club signing him is taking a risk that he can make the big step up to the prem. I think it is widely reported that he has a clause in his contract and if he hadn't signed a new contract he would of gone for that price last year. I do get a big sick of supporters slagging off Hoos for selling our players on the cheap. If one club comes in and meets the release clause then, unless another club comes in with a higher offer, we have to sell. He wouldn't of signed a new contract without the clause so we got another year of him playing for us and a fee that is likely to be far higher than we paid for him. |
"Any prem club signing him is taking a risk that he can make the big step up to the prem."
£10M is no risk to a Premier League side let alone £4M. | | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 17:03 - Jun 22 with 3127 views | FDC |
| Freeman to the blades on 15:03 - Jun 22 by Gloucs_R |
They've bid 6m apparently |
If that's the case I'd be really surprised if we don't sell | | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 18:29 - Jun 22 with 3024 views | LazyFan |
| Freeman to the blades on 18:00 - Jun 21 by WadR |
Although interest from other clubs would help, there's no reason why the club should settle for £4m.
He's under a recently signed contract, ostensibly happy at the club and coming off the back of 2 and a half generally excellent seasons. It's almost 2 months until the window closes, I'd hope and expect, the club will look to negotiate a much better deal.
Not sure a low release clause is that plausible either. Considering the club rejected £4m~ bids from Boro and Blackburn last season, surely even QPR wouldn't be stupid enough to offer a contract extenstion (and thus a wage rise) that would allow Freeman to move for an amount they deemed too low just months previously?
Thought the whole point of the Freeman contract was it was mutually beneficial - Freeman's excellent performances get recognition with a payrise and it allows QPR to obtain a higher fee for him when he inevitably moves on? |
Those bids came in before he signed the new contract at the start of summer.
Even then rumour was Blackburn who had bid £5m were coming back with a £6m bid which would have secured him and before they could the window shut. We would have taken that back then one could presume. He then signed it which warded them off in Jan.
I would speculate that the release clause is small only for Prem clubs. And as Sheff Utd is a prem club now, they can take advantage of it. And thus there is nothing we can do.
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| Freeman to the blades on 18:31 - Jun 22 with 3018 views | blacky2013 |
| Freeman to the blades on 15:44 - Jun 22 by QPR_John |
"Any prem club signing him is taking a risk that he can make the big step up to the prem."
£10M is no risk to a Premier League side let alone £4M. |
Of course its a risk. Just because they are in the prem doesn't mean they want to throw £4 million plus wages onto a player | | | |
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| Freeman to the blades on 18:42 - Jun 22 with 2986 views | VancouverHoop |
| Freeman to the blades on 10:15 - Jun 22 by PunteR |
How is it good business to sell something thats worth more to us than to another team? |
He'll be a free agent at the end of this coming season. If we want to get anything for him it'll be now, or breadcrumbs (likely) in the January window. | | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 19:20 - Jun 22 with 2908 views | VancouverHoop |
Oops! My bad.
Umm... let's keep him until this time next year eh? | | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 21:19 - Jun 22 with 2744 views | QPR_John |
| Freeman to the blades on 18:31 - Jun 22 by blacky2013 |
Of course its a risk. Just because they are in the prem doesn't mean they want to throw £4 million plus wages onto a player |
OK let's help out a Premier League club by accepting their offer we would not want them to take a risk. | | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 22:48 - Jun 22 with 2619 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Freeman to the blades on 18:34 - Jun 21 by PunteR |
You have to question whats really going on in football when you have Smithies sitting on the bench in the prem. We all saw how good he was. Us fans know a good player when we see one. He is one of the best keepers we've seen at Loftus rd and we've seen some high profile keepers.
You keep your best players. Simple as that. This is what happens when you let the accounts department run the club. |
Hear hear! £4m or thereabouts for Luke would just be rubbing fans' noses in the business incompetence of Hoos and the board, though I wouldn't trust them to negotiate his departure more properly. He's under contract, but if it was to a Prem club of any ilk (which I don't necessarily think we should stand in his way of), it should be twice that figure, or they can f*ck right off. If he went to the Blades for the rumoured sum, we'd make ourselves still more of a laughing stock on the transfer market, as well as lowering still further our negotiating position in the future. (Which he well might, and we quite possibly will.) [Post edited 22 Jun 2019 22:49]
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| Freeman to the blades on 23:23 - Jun 22 with 2543 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Freeman to the blades on 22:48 - Jun 22 by stainrods_elbow |
Hear hear! £4m or thereabouts for Luke would just be rubbing fans' noses in the business incompetence of Hoos and the board, though I wouldn't trust them to negotiate his departure more properly. He's under contract, but if it was to a Prem club of any ilk (which I don't necessarily think we should stand in his way of), it should be twice that figure, or they can f*ck right off. If he went to the Blades for the rumoured sum, we'd make ourselves still more of a laughing stock on the transfer market, as well as lowering still further our negotiating position in the future. (Which he well might, and we quite possibly will.) [Post edited 22 Jun 2019 22:49]
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Yeah but looking at it a bit more positively, he is perhaps one of our best ever signings. We need to get away from this thing of "well they sold him for £xm. So he's worth £xm"
It's not that simple. |  |
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| Freeman to the blades on 00:48 - Jun 23 with 2437 views | DylanP |
So, there is no evidence that a deal has been made yet and still we have three pages of people expressing their outrage at how bad a deal it is.
People do love to be outrage, don't they! |  |
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| Freeman to the blades on 01:03 - Jun 23 with 2422 views | qpr1976 |
| Freeman to the blades on 15:03 - Jun 22 by Gloucs_R |
They've bid 6m apparently |
If true, Sold and that would be a ‘right touch’.
Doubt Warbs would be given a sixth of that to spend though. | | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 01:10 - Jun 23 with 2415 views | nix |
| Freeman to the blades on 00:48 - Jun 23 by DylanP |
So, there is no evidence that a deal has been made yet and still we have three pages of people expressing their outrage at how bad a deal it is.
People do love to be outrage, don't they! |
They also like to ignore facts too. Like people still moaning about what we got for Charlie Austin despite his having only six months left on his contract, when he would have gone on a free in the summer.
We'd all love to buy low and sell high but we often our fans rate players more highly than they are rated by fans of their new clubs, so maybe we are unrealistic.
As PP said, other clubs know we're desperate for funds, which puts us in a difficult negotiating position.
Maybe we should at least wait until we've played a few matches of the new season before we damn the new squad. Radical I know. |  | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 02:24 - Jun 23 with 2362 views | PunteR |
| Freeman to the blades on 01:10 - Jun 23 by nix |
They also like to ignore facts too. Like people still moaning about what we got for Charlie Austin despite his having only six months left on his contract, when he would have gone on a free in the summer.
We'd all love to buy low and sell high but we often our fans rate players more highly than they are rated by fans of their new clubs, so maybe we are unrealistic.
As PP said, other clubs know we're desperate for funds, which puts us in a difficult negotiating position.
Maybe we should at least wait until we've played a few matches of the new season before we damn the new squad. Radical I know. |
Whose damning the new squad and why can't fans vent off a bit of frustration at a rumor that our best player could be sold for below value?? It's not like the club have a decent track record for player wheeling and dealing is it? |  |
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| Freeman to the blades on 02:33 - Jun 23 with 2355 views | acricketer |
| Freeman to the blades on 00:48 - Jun 23 by DylanP |
So, there is no evidence that a deal has been made yet and still we have three pages of people expressing their outrage at how bad a deal it is.
People do love to be outrage, don't they! |
How dare you!!!. | | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 02:49 - Jun 23 with 2345 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Freeman to the blades on 15:58 - Jun 21 by DejR_vu |
We're skint and everyone knows it, so they're going to take the p1ss. |
We're not in administration so I don't buy that logic. If you're skint then it's imperative you get as much money as you can for your assets.
Freeman's performances and stats have been consistently high in a struggling team. At 27 he's approaching his peak and he still has several years remaining on his contract. Furthermore there are at least 3 clubs reportedly interested and he would not be easy to replace.
Unless there's a release clause in his contract that states otherwise, QPR should hold out for at least 7-8 million. It's high time the club stopped rolling over to have its tummy tickled. [Post edited 23 Jun 2019 3:03]
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| Freeman to the blades on 09:39 - Jun 23 with 2112 views | davman |
| Freeman to the blades on 02:49 - Jun 23 by Benny_the_Ball |
We're not in administration so I don't buy that logic. If you're skint then it's imperative you get as much money as you can for your assets.
Freeman's performances and stats have been consistently high in a struggling team. At 27 he's approaching his peak and he still has several years remaining on his contract. Furthermore there are at least 3 clubs reportedly interested and he would not be easy to replace.
Unless there's a release clause in his contract that states otherwise, QPR should hold out for at least 7-8 million. It's high time the club stopped rolling over to have its tummy tickled. [Post edited 23 Jun 2019 3:03]
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It is never as easy as that, though, is it? You need to take in to consideration the player himself. Freeman knows that this is probably the last chance of him playing on the big stage and to get the final contract that will take him from the "wealthy for now" camp to the "wealthy forever" one.
He a'int gonna get more money from QPR, nor will he from established Championship teams without parachute payments like Leeds as they will want to preserve their S&P targets.
So, if he wants to go, a) he deserves it for the effort he has put it since he has been here and b) he has to go if he does not want to be with us.
If we only have one bid on the table, that'll be that, especially if there is a clause in the contract he signed partly to help the club out to extend his stay to say he can go to a Prem team.
He and his agent know that the bargaining power for a 27 year old is probably better than a 28 year old, so it has to be the right time for his move if it can be engineered right.
I think we'll get them to £5m by the way... |  |
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| Freeman to the blades on 10:33 - Jun 23 with 2036 views | francisbowles |
| Freeman to the blades on 18:42 - Jun 22 by VancouverHoop |
He'll be a free agent at the end of this coming season. If we want to get anything for him it'll be now, or breadcrumbs (likely) in the January window. |
He has two years left on his contract, so he will not be a free agent next summer. | | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 11:31 - Jun 23 with 1963 views | Hunterhoop |
| Freeman to the blades on 02:49 - Jun 23 by Benny_the_Ball |
We're not in administration so I don't buy that logic. If you're skint then it's imperative you get as much money as you can for your assets.
Freeman's performances and stats have been consistently high in a struggling team. At 27 he's approaching his peak and he still has several years remaining on his contract. Furthermore there are at least 3 clubs reportedly interested and he would not be easy to replace.
Unless there's a release clause in his contract that states otherwise, QPR should hold out for at least 7-8 million. It's high time the club stopped rolling over to have its tummy tickled. [Post edited 23 Jun 2019 3:03]
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But the factor you’re forgetting is time. We have to sell him, at the latest, by then end of this coming season, to see that revenue go in the accounts for that period to help us find this £12-16m we are estimated to need either in terms of revenue or cost cuts to meet FFP, in this first season without parachute.
That leaves us this summer and January to sell him. We can’t just “hold out”, because, if no one offers us what we want, we fail FFP. Every other club knows this.
It’s not about “rolling over and have our tummies tickled”. It’s the fundamental basic of any negotiation: leverage. We have very little. The only thing that will drive the price up is fear from the bidding clubs that they’ve go in so low it’s likely someone else will overbid then. So, all bids are initially going to come in on the low side. Great if we get a bidding war, but if we don’t, we have no leverage!! He has to be sold so the club don’t get a fine or points deduction. The latter would be disastrous as it could send us down.
Financially, this season is our nadir. It’s our toughest one. We’ll have more breathing room with FFP’s rolling 3yr permissable loss after this season. From the 20/21 season on we will he able play hardball more.
I want Freeman to be sold for as much as we can get. £20, £10m, £8m....but if no one offers us that, we cannot hold onto him past Jan unless we’ve sold someone else for a very high price already. |  | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 13:33 - Jun 23 with 1747 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Freeman to the blades on 09:39 - Jun 23 by davman |
It is never as easy as that, though, is it? You need to take in to consideration the player himself. Freeman knows that this is probably the last chance of him playing on the big stage and to get the final contract that will take him from the "wealthy for now" camp to the "wealthy forever" one.
He a'int gonna get more money from QPR, nor will he from established Championship teams without parachute payments like Leeds as they will want to preserve their S&P targets.
So, if he wants to go, a) he deserves it for the effort he has put it since he has been here and b) he has to go if he does not want to be with us.
If we only have one bid on the table, that'll be that, especially if there is a clause in the contract he signed partly to help the club out to extend his stay to say he can go to a Prem team.
He and his agent know that the bargaining power for a 27 year old is probably better than a 28 year old, so it has to be the right time for his move if it can be engineered right.
I think we'll get them to £5m by the way... |
This is exactly the kind of mindset that makes QPR such poor negotiators and an easy touch. It's the same for all clubs but others (e.g. Brentford) manage to secure great deals whilst QPR virtually give players away.
You're seriously deluded if you believe that Freeman signed a contract extension to help the club out. No agent would allow that; he did what was best for him at the time.
As for Luke deserving a move, we're a business not a charity. I don't see players who perform badly ripping up their contracts because the club deserve it so why should it work the other way? The Football League certainly didn't take players' feelings and aspirations into account when they calculated FFP.
Football League: You've breached FFP rules by exceeding the maximum losses permissable over 3 years. What do you have to say for yourself?
QPR: Well, technically that's true but there are extenuating circumstances. We let our best players go cheaply because, bless 'em, they performed well and deserved a big money move. Had we sold at market rate, sure we would have complied with FFP rules but that would've hurt the players' feelings.
Football League: That was awfully decent of you. In that case, appeal upheld and fine overturned. | | | |
| Freeman to the blades on 13:49 - Jun 23 with 1722 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Freeman to the blades on 11:31 - Jun 23 by Hunterhoop |
But the factor you’re forgetting is time. We have to sell him, at the latest, by then end of this coming season, to see that revenue go in the accounts for that period to help us find this £12-16m we are estimated to need either in terms of revenue or cost cuts to meet FFP, in this first season without parachute.
That leaves us this summer and January to sell him. We can’t just “hold out”, because, if no one offers us what we want, we fail FFP. Every other club knows this.
It’s not about “rolling over and have our tummies tickled”. It’s the fundamental basic of any negotiation: leverage. We have very little. The only thing that will drive the price up is fear from the bidding clubs that they’ve go in so low it’s likely someone else will overbid then. So, all bids are initially going to come in on the low side. Great if we get a bidding war, but if we don’t, we have no leverage!! He has to be sold so the club don’t get a fine or points deduction. The latter would be disastrous as it could send us down.
Financially, this season is our nadir. It’s our toughest one. We’ll have more breathing room with FFP’s rolling 3yr permissable loss after this season. From the 20/21 season on we will he able play hardball more.
I want Freeman to be sold for as much as we can get. £20, £10m, £8m....but if no one offers us that, we cannot hold onto him past Jan unless we’ve sold someone else for a very high price already. |
You're forgetting the fundamental basics of any negotiation: guts.
QPR have more leverage than you think. Luke is an excellent player who is currently under contract. There are 3 clubs (Leeds, 'Boro and Sheffield United) interested in signing him this summer. These are excellent conditions for QPR to encourage a bidding war.
Besides, if QPR need to find £12-16 million this season by selling its best players then it needs to command a premium. £4 million simply won't cut it; QPR would end up without Luke and still failing FFP.
So I stand by my assessment. Unless Luke has a release clause in his contract, QPR should reject initial offers and counter with £8 million. That's not "holding out", it's simply good negotiation skills coupled with common sense. [Post edited 23 Jun 2019 13:55]
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