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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... 21:05 - Dec 2 with 1143 viewsBenny_the_Ball

Lionel Messi. An utterly dull choice.
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 21:24 - Dec 2 with 1120 viewsBoston

...unless the balloons were red.

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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 21:26 - Dec 2 with 1110 viewsloftboy

What’s he done that was so outstanding in the last year?

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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 21:40 - Dec 2 with 1107 viewstraininvain

Only 54 goals for Messi in 2018/19. He must be slacking.

If Messi’s considered dull then I must be watching a different sport.
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 21:42 - Dec 2 with 1094 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Messi has been incredible this year in a struggling Barca team with a dull, joyless manager.

I would rate this as one of his very best years. No-one is playing football on a par with him, or even coming close.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 21:58 - Dec 2 with 1071 viewssmegma

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 21:26 - Dec 2 by loftboy

What’s he done that was so outstanding in the last year?


He's no Conor Washington
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 03:50 - Dec 3 with 993 viewsBenny_the_Ball

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 21:42 - Dec 2 by BrianMcCarthy

Messi has been incredible this year in a struggling Barca team with a dull, joyless manager.

I would rate this as one of his very best years. No-one is playing football on a par with him, or even coming close.


I get that and I love watching him play but for me it's a lazy, predictable choice. 6 Ballon D'Ors for a player who has not tested himself in other European Leagues and failed to inspire the national team is a bit much. Virgil van Dijk would have been a worthier winner if just for the sheer impact he has made at Liverpool in a Champions League winning season.
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 04:23 - Dec 3 with 982 viewsFredManRave

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 03:50 - Dec 3 by Benny_the_Ball

I get that and I love watching him play but for me it's a lazy, predictable choice. 6 Ballon D'Ors for a player who has not tested himself in other European Leagues and failed to inspire the national team is a bit much. Virgil van Dijk would have been a worthier winner if just for the sheer impact he has made at Liverpool in a Champions League winning season.


Agreed. Nobody can deny Messi's ability and skill as a player but people that are considered an inspiration in life are the ones that continually push themselves, that look for new challenges and that don't stay within their comfort zones.

Ronaldo over Messi.....

Beckham over Giggs....

Ready over Maldini....

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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 07:50 - Dec 3 with 924 viewsnix

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 03:50 - Dec 3 by Benny_the_Ball

I get that and I love watching him play but for me it's a lazy, predictable choice. 6 Ballon D'Ors for a player who has not tested himself in other European Leagues and failed to inspire the national team is a bit much. Virgil van Dijk would have been a worthier winner if just for the sheer impact he has made at Liverpool in a Champions League winning season.


I'd love to see a defender or a goalkeeper get it for once. I agree it's lazy to always choose an attacking player because goals can be easily measured. But, for instance, Schmeichel used to arguably be more influential for Utd than Cantona as he broke teams' spirits with some of his impossible double saves. And yet it's inevitably a forward or attacking midfielder.
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 09:40 - Dec 3 with 865 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Good points folks.

I still think it's outweighed by one simple thing - who has played the best football in the year?

I might have seen Van Dijk about ten times this year and he would be the only player I would have considered as an alternative, but even at that I wouldn't have him anywhere close.

I think it would lose credibility if token awards were given out.

Edit - sp. check.
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"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 10:01 - Dec 3 with 828 viewssmegma

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 03:50 - Dec 3 by Benny_the_Ball

I get that and I love watching him play but for me it's a lazy, predictable choice. 6 Ballon D'Ors for a player who has not tested himself in other European Leagues and failed to inspire the national team is a bit much. Virgil van Dijk would have been a worthier winner if just for the sheer impact he has made at Liverpool in a Champions League winning season.


Messi / Barca have won La Liga for the past two seasons, Liverpool havnt won the league in nigh on 30 seasons. Surely a City player would be more worthy than a Liverpool player ??
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 12:44 - Dec 3 with 772 viewsBenny_the_Ball

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 10:01 - Dec 3 by smegma

Messi / Barca have won La Liga for the past two seasons, Liverpool havnt won the league in nigh on 30 seasons. Surely a City player would be more worthy than a Liverpool player ??


Fair point though Liverpool did win the Champions League and have been imperious in the Premier League so far this season. IMHO the arrivals of Van Dijk and Alisson have been key to their resurgence, and Van Dijk has also been instrumental in the resurgence of the Dutch national team. Still I would not have begrudged a City player winning it as back-to-back Premier League titles is a decent achievement.
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 13:20 - Dec 3 with 744 viewssmegma

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 12:44 - Dec 3 by Benny_the_Ball

Fair point though Liverpool did win the Champions League and have been imperious in the Premier League so far this season. IMHO the arrivals of Van Dijk and Alisson have been key to their resurgence, and Van Dijk has also been instrumental in the resurgence of the Dutch national team. Still I would not have begrudged a City player winning it as back-to-back Premier League titles is a decent achievement.


Winning the league title should be the be all. Liverpool don't deserve to be in the ECL. It's easier to win the champions league than the premier league. Hence a City player is more deserving than a Liverpool player.
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 21:44 - Dec 3 with 661 viewstraininvain

Just going to leave this here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50636501
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 23:20 - Dec 3 with 600 viewsitsbiga

They give Eze a nod?

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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 09:38 - Dec 4 with 550 viewsCamberleyR

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 07:50 - Dec 3 by nix

I'd love to see a defender or a goalkeeper get it for once. I agree it's lazy to always choose an attacking player because goals can be easily measured. But, for instance, Schmeichel used to arguably be more influential for Utd than Cantona as he broke teams' spirits with some of his impossible double saves. And yet it's inevitably a forward or attacking midfielder.


Since it's inception in 1956 there has been ridiculous bias shown to strikers and attacking midfielders. In fact the only players to have won it who weren't were:

1963 Lev Yashin
1972 Franz Beckenbauer
1976 Franz Beckenbauer
2006 Fabio Cannavaro
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 09:45 - Dec 4 with 543 viewsBrianMcCarthy

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 09:38 - Dec 4 by CamberleyR

Since it's inception in 1956 there has been ridiculous bias shown to strikers and attacking midfielders. In fact the only players to have won it who weren't were:

1963 Lev Yashin
1972 Franz Beckenbauer
1976 Franz Beckenbauer
2006 Fabio Cannavaro


Wow.

Bobby Moore, no?

Either way, that's amazing.

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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 09:53 - Dec 4 with 531 viewsCamberleyR

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 09:45 - Dec 4 by BrianMcCarthy

Wow.

Bobby Moore, no?

Either way, that's amazing.


Yep, amazing to think that Bobby Moore in his pomp from the mid 60s-early 70s only ever made the top 3 once, in 1970 when he came second to Gerd Müller.

Van Dijk this year was the first defender or goalkeeper to make the top 3 since Manuel Neuer in 2014.
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 20:52 - Dec 7 with 423 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Two superb goals again tonight from Messi. So far.

4-1 at half-time versus Mallorca with all five goals a thing of beauty.

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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 23:41 - Dec 7 with 355 viewstimcocking

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 21:40 - Dec 2 by traininvain

Only 54 goals for Messi in 2018/19. He must be slacking.

If Messi’s considered dull then I must be watching a different sport.


Indeed. A classic case of familiarity breeds contempt.
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 13:10 - Dec 8 with 264 viewstraininvain

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 20:52 - Dec 7 by BrianMcCarthy

Two superb goals again tonight from Messi. So far.

4-1 at half-time versus Mallorca with all five goals a thing of beauty.


Messi’s normalised performances like last night to the point that people just expect it from him.

This is part of the reason that you see people questioning why he won the Balon D’or.

Enjoy him while you can as when he retires, in the absence of his regular moments of genius, it’ll become clear just how good he is.
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 13:20 - Dec 8 with 251 viewsstowmarketrange

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 13:10 - Dec 8 by traininvain

Messi’s normalised performances like last night to the point that people just expect it from him.

This is part of the reason that you see people questioning why he won the Balon D’or.

Enjoy him while you can as when he retires, in the absence of his regular moments of genius, it’ll become clear just how good he is.


I’ve seen him play live 3 times in Barcelona and he really is an amazing to watch.The cameras don’t always pick up his movement around the pitch,and you think he is having a quiet minute or two but suddenly he’ll come to life and make something out of nothing.
His goals per game stats are unreal and he is irreplaceable to Barcelona at the minute.
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 13:26 - Dec 8 with 248 viewstraininvain

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 13:20 - Dec 8 by stowmarketrange

I’ve seen him play live 3 times in Barcelona and he really is an amazing to watch.The cameras don’t always pick up his movement around the pitch,and you think he is having a quiet minute or two but suddenly he’ll come to life and make something out of nothing.
His goals per game stats are unreal and he is irreplaceable to Barcelona at the minute.


Agreed. I’ve seen him play once at the Camp Nou and even watching him taking shots and passing in the warm up was a joy to see.

His goal and assist numbers are unreal but they only tell part of the story. I doubt we’ll ever see a footballer of his quality again (in my lifetime anyway!).
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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 17:19 - Dec 9 with 145 viewsaston_hoop

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 20:52 - Dec 7 by BrianMcCarthy

Two superb goals again tonight from Messi. So far.

4-1 at half-time versus Mallorca with all five goals a thing of beauty.


Got a cheap last minute ticket for Barcelona v Real Valldollid a month or so back. won 5-1, Messi scored 2 and assisted 2, all 4 things of absolute beauty. Every time he had the ball, you had in mind one thing he might do with it but he would do something else instead which turned out to be even better. By far and away the best player in the world.

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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 18:41 - Dec 9 with 107 viewsBrianMcCarthy

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 17:19 - Dec 9 by aston_hoop

Got a cheap last minute ticket for Barcelona v Real Valldollid a month or so back. won 5-1, Messi scored 2 and assisted 2, all 4 things of absolute beauty. Every time he had the ball, you had in mind one thing he might do with it but he would do something else instead which turned out to be even better. By far and away the best player in the world.

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Unreal.

No-one even close.

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And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 20:43 - Dec 9 with 75 viewsBenny_the_Ball

And the winner of the men's Ballon D'Or is... on 18:41 - Dec 9 by BrianMcCarthy

Unreal.

No-one even close.


On second thoughts, Brian, I take it back. The boy's a bit special!
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