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Pugh 12:06 - Dec 3 with 2142 viewsWestbourneR

We really needed Pugh to be a major signing but he's just never got going. I'd describe him as 'low energy' so far. He doesn't look like he's got the stomach for the scrap, maybe his legs have gone.

Thoughts on here?


Poll: Should JFH get the sack?

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Pugh on 12:17 - Dec 3 with 1816 viewssmuttsontour

completely agree - he's been lightweight and hasn't demonstrated in any way apart from by default rotation why he should nick a start.

comes across as such a nice bloke - but from his social media interests it's clear to see he's not getting enough protein in that allows him to be explosive enough.

Hope he proves me wrong - also caveat being I'm sure he's a very positive influence on our younger players - but then we're not employing him as a player to be a motivational speaker!
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Pugh on 12:18 - Dec 3 with 1810 viewsTacticalR

It was my impression that something had gone and games seemed to be going on around him but he looked better against Derby.

Air hostess clique

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Pugh on 12:20 - Dec 3 with 1803 viewsJeff

I think we probably expected more from Pugh, but whether you can lay the blame at the feet of Pugh i'm not so sure.

The bare facts read that he's started twice this season (Wigan in August and Derby on Saturday) he's come off the bench a further 10 times, invariably in the last 20 or so minutes, and asked to change or chase the game. his start against Derby on the Weekend was his first football of any sort since the 2nd November when he came off the bench in the 63rd Minute vs Leeds, and before that the 22nd October when he came off the bench in the 77th minute vs Reading.

he's undoubtedly a talented player, the Bournemouth fans universally rave about him, but we started with Chair/Eze/BOS/Hugill/Wells as our preferred attacking options in rotation so he hasn't had much of a chance so far.

I liked the balance of BOS/Pugh/Eze behind Huggy Bear on sat, it would be nice to see them keep that with Chair looking at a spell on the bench, and see if he can produce...

Can we not knock it?

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Pugh on 12:33 - Dec 3 with 1753 viewsstevec

Pugh on 12:20 - Dec 3 by Jeff

I think we probably expected more from Pugh, but whether you can lay the blame at the feet of Pugh i'm not so sure.

The bare facts read that he's started twice this season (Wigan in August and Derby on Saturday) he's come off the bench a further 10 times, invariably in the last 20 or so minutes, and asked to change or chase the game. his start against Derby on the Weekend was his first football of any sort since the 2nd November when he came off the bench in the 63rd Minute vs Leeds, and before that the 22nd October when he came off the bench in the 77th minute vs Reading.

he's undoubtedly a talented player, the Bournemouth fans universally rave about him, but we started with Chair/Eze/BOS/Hugill/Wells as our preferred attacking options in rotation so he hasn't had much of a chance so far.

I liked the balance of BOS/Pugh/Eze behind Huggy Bear on sat, it would be nice to see them keep that with Chair looking at a spell on the bench, and see if he can produce...


Exactly this, two starts, the poor bloke hasn't been given a chance.

For all the running around Chair does I suspect Pugh could do twice the damage with half the effort.
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Pugh on 12:42 - Dec 3 with 1716 viewsWestbourneR

Pugh on 12:33 - Dec 3 by stevec

Exactly this, two starts, the poor bloke hasn't been given a chance.

For all the running around Chair does I suspect Pugh could do twice the damage with half the effort.


Agreed. He needs a run of starts now. Particularly as Chair's development has hit a bit of a wall.
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Poll: Should JFH get the sack?

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Pugh on 12:47 - Dec 3 with 1693 viewsBenny_the_Ball

To date he's been underwhelming but I can't make up my mind whether there's nothing left in the tank or he just needs a run of games to show us what he can really do.
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Pugh on 13:02 - Dec 3 with 1647 viewsYorkRanger

I just think he hasn't really been given a chance yet. He came with rave reviews from the Bournemouth fans so one hopes there is some potential thete...
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Pugh on 13:12 - Dec 3 with 1607 viewsAntti_Heinola

Pugh on 12:42 - Dec 3 by WestbourneR

Agreed. He needs a run of starts now. Particularly as Chair's development has hit a bit of a wall.
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We've hardly seen any of him, but early in the season i thought his sub appearances were encouraging.
Unusually blunt of you, Westbourne, to say Chair has hit a wall. couple of quiet games for a lad in his first season at this level and only second at any pro-level is absolutely inevitable. We see this with any young player. I don't think he's stopped developing mate!

Bare bones.

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Pugh on 13:32 - Dec 3 with 1541 viewsWestbourneR

Pugh on 13:12 - Dec 3 by Antti_Heinola

We've hardly seen any of him, but early in the season i thought his sub appearances were encouraging.
Unusually blunt of you, Westbourne, to say Chair has hit a wall. couple of quiet games for a lad in his first season at this level and only second at any pro-level is absolutely inevitable. We see this with any young player. I don't think he's stopped developing mate!


I'm guessing you're being sarcastic Antti - you know I love to hastily write off a player.

On that note - yeah, Chair - want want want him to be really good but I'm seeing less and less evidence he has what it takes at this level. He plays with his head down far too much and that means he often holds onto the ball for too long and runs into blind alleys.

He looks at his best when he's playing it quick and simple.

I'd personally move him back into centre mid, think he's got the engine for it and it'd suit his style.

Poll: Should JFH get the sack?

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Pugh on 13:46 - Dec 3 with 1488 viewsMatch82

Pugh on 13:02 - Dec 3 by YorkRanger

I just think he hasn't really been given a chance yet. He came with rave reviews from the Bournemouth fans so one hopes there is some potential thete...


I think when they were signed the plan for both Pugh and Wallace was to be first choice in their positions but Chair and Manning respectively have played well enough to date to hold onto their spots and have lots more sell on value - and let's face it that's the business we are in now. However I think Chair has had a good run during which he has shown his importance but maybe needs a couple of games to regroup and maybe see what he can learn by observing from the sidelines for a couple of games - Pugh would be a good role model to look at in that regard
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Pugh on 14:00 - Dec 3 with 1458 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Pugh on 13:32 - Dec 3 by WestbourneR

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic Antti - you know I love to hastily write off a player.

On that note - yeah, Chair - want want want him to be really good but I'm seeing less and less evidence he has what it takes at this level. He plays with his head down far too much and that means he often holds onto the ball for too long and runs into blind alleys.

He looks at his best when he's playing it quick and simple.

I'd personally move him back into centre mid, think he's got the engine for it and it'd suit his style.


I see your point about Chair playing with his head down at times, Westy.

I think it might be only of late, though, as the team's confidence and flow has ebbed a bit. So hopefully he'll get his head up again when his form picks up again.

Also, worth remembering that Freeman didn't learn to pick his head up until much older, so this could be a developmental thing as well.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Poll: Player of the Year (so far)

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Pugh on 15:06 - Dec 3 with 1347 viewsfrancisbowles

Pugh on 12:20 - Dec 3 by Jeff

I think we probably expected more from Pugh, but whether you can lay the blame at the feet of Pugh i'm not so sure.

The bare facts read that he's started twice this season (Wigan in August and Derby on Saturday) he's come off the bench a further 10 times, invariably in the last 20 or so minutes, and asked to change or chase the game. his start against Derby on the Weekend was his first football of any sort since the 2nd November when he came off the bench in the 63rd Minute vs Leeds, and before that the 22nd October when he came off the bench in the 77th minute vs Reading.

he's undoubtedly a talented player, the Bournemouth fans universally rave about him, but we started with Chair/Eze/BOS/Hugill/Wells as our preferred attacking options in rotation so he hasn't had much of a chance so far.

I liked the balance of BOS/Pugh/Eze behind Huggy Bear on sat, it would be nice to see them keep that with Chair looking at a spell on the bench, and see if he can produce...


Agree with all that Jeff, thought he showed some potential for the team on Saturday. The only change to the lineup I would like to see against Preston, is maybe put Wallace in his real position and give Manning a rest on the bench.
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Pugh on 15:27 - Dec 3 with 1310 viewsAntti_Heinola

Pugh on 13:32 - Dec 3 by WestbourneR

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic Antti - you know I love to hastily write off a player.

On that note - yeah, Chair - want want want him to be really good but I'm seeing less and less evidence he has what it takes at this level. He plays with his head down far too much and that means he often holds onto the ball for too long and runs into blind alleys.

He looks at his best when he's playing it quick and simple.

I'd personally move him back into centre mid, think he's got the engine for it and it'd suit his style.


i was trying to be nice, actually!

funny though isn't it - of all our players, he seems to me to be the one who can spot a pass, almost the exact opposite of you! I think he's a lovely player - easily fine for this level, but there will be ups and downs. Agree centre mid might be best for him.

Bare bones.

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Pugh on 16:22 - Dec 3 with 1227 viewsWestbourneR

Cheers Brian and Antti. All good points.

I thought Chair looked extremely good at the start of the season. The harsh realities of game after game, and often loss after loss, has probably hit him quite hard. He looks like a goal could make him burst to the next level.

You're absolutely right - he can play a nice pass. I think he needs to make that the main thrust of his game along with his engine. He's not got loads of tricks on the locker like Freeman so he'd be well advised to move the ball on quicker.

The one thing he had lots of at Stevenage was goals and if he could start scoring them at this level then it's make him an entirely different proposition. Then he would really be something.

Poll: Should JFH get the sack?

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Pugh on 17:36 - Dec 3 with 1150 viewsAntti_Heinola

Pugh on 15:06 - Dec 3 by francisbowles

Agree with all that Jeff, thought he showed some potential for the team on Saturday. The only change to the lineup I would like to see against Preston, is maybe put Wallace in his real position and give Manning a rest on the bench.


i'm sure he'll be rested at Xmas, but i'd like to see him shifted into midfield.

Bare bones.

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Pugh on 09:37 - Dec 4 with 813 viewsfrancisbowles

Pugh on 17:36 - Dec 3 by Antti_Heinola

i'm sure he'll be rested at Xmas, but i'd like to see him shifted into midfield.


Agree with that Antti but maybe try and get Amos settled in there first. Maybe we could try Amos and Manning as the two in a 4231 around the busy Christmas period.
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Pugh on 10:10 - Dec 4 with 781 viewsCroydonCaptJack

I was at the Palace v Bournemouth game last night and I spoke to a couple of the Bournemouth youth players. They spoke very highly of Pugh and said he is a real good character to have in the dressing room as well.
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Pugh on 10:41 - Dec 4 with 741 viewsjonno

Pugh did well on Saturday and I think we need to remember that to see the best of him he will need a run of games where he starts which he hasn't had for us. In fact the player says this himself. I expect he will get that now as MW's team selection becomes a little more pragmatic as he goes for more experience in an attempt to get some points on the board after a poor run. I also thought Amos did well (aside from giving away the daft free kick for the goal). He looks a potential quality player, but has obviously been hindered by injuries and I would like to see him given a run as well.
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Pugh on 10:59 - Dec 4 with 721 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Pugh on 10:10 - Dec 4 by CroydonCaptJack

I was at the Palace v Bournemouth game last night and I spoke to a couple of the Bournemouth youth players. They spoke very highly of Pugh and said he is a real good character to have in the dressing room as well.


An absoulte w@nker in the staff canteen, though.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Poll: Player of the Year (so far)

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Pugh on 11:00 - Dec 4 with 718 viewsTheChef

Pugh on 10:41 - Dec 4 by jonno

Pugh did well on Saturday and I think we need to remember that to see the best of him he will need a run of games where he starts which he hasn't had for us. In fact the player says this himself. I expect he will get that now as MW's team selection becomes a little more pragmatic as he goes for more experience in an attempt to get some points on the board after a poor run. I also thought Amos did well (aside from giving away the daft free kick for the goal). He looks a potential quality player, but has obviously been hindered by injuries and I would like to see him given a run as well.


Yes arguably he's the kind of player who needs a run of games and really needs to start in them if we're to see what he can do. Not always easy to come on a sub and make an impact in every game, especially if we're chasing it.

Bear in mind also he's the wrong side of 30 and I don't think has played regular Championship football for a little while.
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Pugh on 12:09 - Dec 4 with 644 viewsMatch82

Pugh on 10:59 - Dec 4 by BrianMcCarthy

An absoulte w@nker in the staff canteen, though.


You'd think health and safety would be all over that
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Pugh on 12:11 - Dec 4 with 639 viewsfrancisbowles

Pugh on 11:00 - Dec 4 by TheChef

Yes arguably he's the kind of player who needs a run of games and really needs to start in them if we're to see what he can do. Not always easy to come on a sub and make an impact in every game, especially if we're chasing it.

Bear in mind also he's the wrong side of 30 and I don't think has played regular Championship football for a little while.


14 appearances and 3 goals for Hull in a three month spell January to April this year. Not sure how many of those were starts though.
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Pugh on 12:13 - Dec 4 with 627 viewsJeff

Pugh on 12:11 - Dec 4 by francisbowles

14 appearances and 3 goals for Hull in a three month spell January to April this year. Not sure how many of those were starts though.


first four games for Hull were off the bench, then started 10 on the spin. The three goals all came during that 10 match run.

Can we not knock it?

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Pugh on 12:15 - Dec 4 with 621 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Pugh on 12:09 - Dec 4 by Match82

You'd think health and safety would be all over that


I mean, I have to put gloves on to make a sandwich.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Poll: Player of the Year (so far)

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Pugh on 12:34 - Dec 4 with 581 viewsrobith

Hasn't he played about 20 minutes for us like?
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