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An Australian professor of Data Analytics from Griffith University who predicted Trump’s first win, the Australian Federal Election(when all the polls said the opposite) and Brexit has called it - Trump will be re-elected for another 4 years. You heard it here first.
The problem is you’re looking at it from the last year only, where Trump has concocted this idea that the vote was a fraud.
But for the last four years the Democrats have gone for him personally, using very similar tactics, I’ve got to say this I’m afraid, as the Remain camp did in refusing to accept the democratic vote here.
Play the ball not the man. Biden will do himself and the Democrats a huge favour if he shows Trump some contrition. You’re a reasonable bloke so why the vindictiveness?
Yes, last year. Lets ignore the following:
-Falsely claiming Clinton lost the popular vote if we excldued the 3 million illegal immigrant votes for HRC -Falsely claiming that Ted Cruz stole the 2016 Iowa primaries through rigging the election (who interestingly supported Trumps lies on voter fraud in 2020) -Trying to pressure a foreign country and ally to pursue a criminal investigation into his political opponent or he'd withhold military aid to them -Falsely claiming Obama was a Kenyan born Muslim, and therefore not eligible to serve as pres, for years -Making numerous racist statements and otherwise playing dogwhistle politics -Calls to "lock up" his political opponents, including Clinton -the persistent lies about literally anything and everything -His reluctance to distance himself from conspiracy theorists and white supremacists, many of whom have held high positions in the government -the fact that numerous of his allies have actually been found guilty of crimes- Manafort, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone just to name a few, many of whom actually just pled guilty to the crimes -the fact that he has pardoned his political allies who have been convicted if they have been loyal to him -lied for years about releasing his tax returns, leaving american public totally in the dark as to whether his actions in office were influenced by political interest
I mean, I literally could go on and on and on and on and on with the scandals and how much this absolute buffoon has lowered america's standing in the world and undermined our democracy
america's govt is based on a system of checks and balances... im struggling to understand what you think he deserved, and how you think the dems went after him personally?
trump deserves to be dragged through the mud... unfortunately bc there are morons who somehow think he is the victim here, and are willing to take drastic actions to protect him, and b/c the republican party is made up of a bunch of spineless cowards who are scared of alienating him, perhaps the best course is to just let him be.... but pls, spare us the victim card
If your reason for not prosecuting someone for an obvious crime is that you fear the reactions of others then the law loses all of its meaning. One of the reasons Republicans politicians are scared of outing Trump's crimes is the backlash they would face from his supporters which includes fearing for their lives. The rest has already been said but "appeasing fascism" accurately sums up what doing nothing about his crimes should be called.
It’s starting a process that has Zero chance of success and will only make his supporters more entrenched. Prosecute those that stormed the capitol. Let Trump just do his thing and become less relevant. He’ll be forgotten about in time.
It’s starting a process that has Zero chance of success and will only make his supporters more entrenched. Prosecute those that stormed the capitol. Let Trump just do his thing and become less relevant. He’ll be forgotten about in time.
Or maybe just wait for another Trumpite to come along out of the cesspool he has created.
Always been fairly right wing in the USA, but even the past Presidents had limits, this man has managed to make it the norm to cheat and lie your way to the top, there is no doubt more Trumps in the background, but if a leash can be put on the current one, might make it just that bit harder and a good few decades before the next rears up.
If he’s convicted in Senate, then yes. Completely agree. But 5% of Republicans voted yesterday to impeach. They need 2/3 of Senate which is 50:50 split. It will never happen. All this process has done is and will do is make the country more divided. Trump loves being centre of attention. From next week, he’s just an old git. This impeachment gives him more publicity. Convict the individuals involved and just let Trump gradually become less visible....that will piss him off more.
From next week he not just an old git" he's a very, very dangerous old git with millions of deranged, deluded, brainwashed supporters who can campaign again for GOP candidacy, which he'd storm imo, and then for the 2024 presidential election
It’s starting a process that has Zero chance of success and will only make his supporters more entrenched. Prosecute those that stormed the capitol. Let Trump just do his thing and become less relevant. He’ll be forgotten about in time.
Whether it has zero chance of success or not is not the point. Do you not convict a murderer because he's dying and only has a few months to live?
Letting Trump do his thing has torn the US apart so why would any sane person think letting him continue to do so would change that? The divisions within the USA have existed since the country was born and are now fully exposed thanks to Trump. It will take a long time to get the toothpaste back in the tube as the battle lines have now been drawn. Fascist white supremacy on one side and liberal multiculturalism on the other.
I'll have to disagree with you on him being forgotten, he will be the subject of many a thesis on why it is a bad idea to let a non politician rule a nation.
The problem is you’re looking at it from the last year only, where Trump has concocted this idea that the vote was a fraud.
But for the last four years the Democrats have gone for him personally, using very similar tactics, I’ve got to say this I’m afraid, as the Remain camp did in refusing to accept the democratic vote here.
Play the ball not the man. Biden will do himself and the Democrats a huge favour if he shows Trump some contrition. You’re a reasonable bloke so why the vindictiveness?
Trump has been shown to be a compulsive liar as the president he started lying on the day of inauguration and i am not sure a single day has passed without a lie coming from the mouth of the president of the United States
Lies, threats cronyism, rash ill or uninformed decisions and more lies.
This is not the big old democratic party going after a plucky individual, are we meant to feel sorry for him?
As Brian says above the real crime is that Trump was allowed to get away with it for so long.
Trump wont drift quietly away if he gets away with a caution. Megalomaniacs and Egomaniacs tend not to drift into the background particularly once they have had a taste. He has to be properly shut down,
If the Dem were to run the country in a very positive way, there would be no fear of Trump or similar getting in next time.
But that's unlikely to happen so you have to try and get rid of him now before all your (Dem's) failing that will happen with little excuses holding all the power.
Biden will be gone long before the next election, shit will continue to hit the fan on so many fronts and they will replace Biden with Harris.
If the Dem were to run the country in a very positive way, there would be no fear of Trump or similar getting in next time.
But that's unlikely to happen so you have to try and get rid of him now before all your (Dem's) failing that will happen with little excuses holding all the power.
Biden will be gone long before the next election, shit will continue to hit the fan on so many fronts and they will replace Biden with Harris.
Poison chalice anyone?
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"If the Dem were to run the country in a very positive way, there would be no fear of Trump or similar getting in next time" is a bit naive.
The next 4 years could see the total eradication of Covid, record GDP/GNI, all-time low unemployment rates, reduction in crime and taxes, a massive increase in affordable housing etc. but the large majority of Republicans will always vote Republican, particularly if Trump's still kicking around.
"If the Dem were to run the country in a very positive way, there would be no fear of Trump or similar getting in next time" is a bit naive.
The next 4 years could see the total eradication of Covid, record GDP/GNI, all-time low unemployment rates, reduction in crime and taxes, a massive increase in affordable housing etc. but the large majority of Republicans will always vote Republican, particularly if Trump's still kicking around.
Could... total eradication..
I think we may have learnt that predicting the future re-covid is somewhat risky
They are saying today that protention after having covid only lasts 5 months and we have no idea if another virus will come along.
I think we may have learnt that predicting the future re-covid is somewhat risky
They are saying today that protention after having covid only lasts 5 months and we have no idea if another virus will come along.
Those assumptions got us where we are today.
I think he was just giving a utopian example where everything could be a superb success the next 4 years yet Republican's will always be Republican's and Trumpismn will still exist.
I think he was just giving a utopian example where everything could be a superb success the next 4 years yet Republican's will always be Republican's and Trumpismn will still exist.
Thanks Juzzie, i thought that was obvious!
Just watched the most hypocritical 5 minutes i have ever seen.
I think he was just giving a utopian example where everything could be a superb success the next 4 years yet Republican's will always be Republican's and Trumpismn will still exist.
It’s starting a process that has Zero chance of success and will only make his supporters more entrenched. Prosecute those that stormed the capitol. Let Trump just do his thing and become less relevant. He’ll be forgotten about in time.
Mitch McConnell is believed to have said he thinks Trump has committed impeachable acts and is currently hedging his bets which way he'll vote. If he votes guilty the two thirds Senate majority will appear in short order.
And it's very much in McConnell's interest to see Trump completely sidelined.
If the Dem were to run the country in a very positive way, there would be no fear of Trump or similar getting in next time.
But that's unlikely to happen so you have to try and get rid of him now before all your (Dem's) failing that will happen with little excuses holding all the power.
Biden will be gone long before the next election, shit will continue to hit the fan on so many fronts and they will replace Biden with Harris.
Poison chalice anyone?
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On your first sentence, for once I agree sort of.
The Trump phenomenon like many of the political disasters that have hit the western word comes from fear and desperation because of inequality. If the Dems start to seriously increase the HDI of the worst off in society then they may start to move that huge anti progressive monolith in American society, although I think it’s too late for this current generation to be honest for the saem reason 40% of this country still want to vote Tory.
Bearing in mind the main banking, weapons, pharmaceutical, and fracking donors to the Biden campaign, and the Dems paralysing fear of being called socialist, I can’t see it happening.
His recent video and press statement are laughable. There may have been an argument for not impeaching had he shown contrition, admitted Biden legitimately won the election and resigned but he is far too cowardly for that. Let's not forget his tweet after the coup attempt: “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away.”
Mitch McConnell is believed to have said he thinks Trump has committed impeachable acts and is currently hedging his bets which way he'll vote. If he votes guilty the two thirds Senate majority will appear in short order.
And it's very much in McConnell's interest to see Trump completely sidelined.
McConnell is a fcking snake. Openly hated Trump before 2016 election then kissed his arse and spewed lies for 4 years and only turned against when Republicans lost Georgia. Plus he has the most annoying voice in the world.
The problem is you’re looking at it from the last year only, where Trump has concocted this idea that the vote was a fraud.
But for the last four years the Democrats have gone for him personally, using very similar tactics, I’ve got to say this I’m afraid, as the Remain camp did in refusing to accept the democratic vote here.
Play the ball not the man. Biden will do himself and the Democrats a huge favour if he shows Trump some contrition. You’re a reasonable bloke so why the vindictiveness?
I really cannot understand the argument that yes, he attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair democratic election, yes, he has sought for months (years, actually) to undermine the integrity of US democracy, and yeah, he's responsible for the insurrectionary mob that stormed the Capitol, seeking to block the process of counting the EC votes, and beating a police officer to death as they went about it, but can't we just let bygones be bygones?
MAGA is a demented cult. Trump is its leader. When you have a situation where politicians are scared to vote a certain way, not because of how it might play with the electorate or donors, but because they and their families may be killed, then why would you appease the mob? The mob win, they're emboldened and it becomes the normal way of doing business. It's terrorism. This is a country where huge numbers of people own military grade weapons. Just think how insane it is that the US Capitol now has 6,000+ National Guard troops protecting it from Trump's followers.
Do you think the people who stormed the Capitol, beat police officers, and killed a police officer should be prosecuted? If so, should the person who incited them not also bear some responsibility?
I really don't want to go back over Mueller, but the facts are that there were so many connections between Trump's campaign and Russians - many of whom had been identified as Russian Intelligence assets - that the US Intelligence services and other 5 Eyes intelligence services were concerned about Trump. Multiple Trump campaign people have since been indicted, pleaded guilty and several were imprisoned.
Mueller was heavily criticised - including by senior members of the investigation - for not insisting on interviewing Trump (his lawyers provided written answers to questions) and not investigating Trump's finances.. Mueller went to lengths to say that the enquiry did not exonerate Trump. And is it not a bit weird that in four years of going to war on Twitter with long-standing allies from all around the world, Trump has never once had a bad word to say about Putin? Literally never once. You had the Helsinki humiliation where Trump said he believed Putin over US Intelligence. In an unprecedented move, Trump's Helsinki meeting with Putin also had no official records taken and the only other people in the meeting were the translators. Bit odd, no? Any action that has been taken against Russia in the past four years by way of punitive sanctions has been taken by Congress. And Trump absolutely should have been impeached first time round - the fact that the Senate blocked the appearance of witnesses shows you everything you need to know about whether the GOP was actually interested in considering the evidence.
We hear all this sh it from Trump and his followers that no other President has ever been treated like him - well, maybe ask yourself why?
As I've said before, one of the only truths to come out of Trump's mouth is when he said he could shoot someone of 5th Avenue and his supporters wouldn't care.
I really cannot understand the argument that yes, he attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair democratic election, yes, he has sought for months (years, actually) to undermine the integrity of US democracy, and yeah, he's responsible for the insurrectionary mob that stormed the Capitol, seeking to block the process of counting the EC votes, and beating a police officer to death as they went about it, but can't we just let bygones be bygones?
MAGA is a demented cult. Trump is its leader. When you have a situation where politicians are scared to vote a certain way, not because of how it might play with the electorate or donors, but because they and their families may be killed, then why would you appease the mob? The mob win, they're emboldened and it becomes the normal way of doing business. It's terrorism. This is a country where huge numbers of people own military grade weapons. Just think how insane it is that the US Capitol now has 6,000+ National Guard troops protecting it from Trump's followers.
Do you think the people who stormed the Capitol, beat police officers, and killed a police officer should be prosecuted? If so, should the person who incited them not also bear some responsibility?
I really don't want to go back over Mueller, but the facts are that there were so many connections between Trump's campaign and Russians - many of whom had been identified as Russian Intelligence assets - that the US Intelligence services and other 5 Eyes intelligence services were concerned about Trump. Multiple Trump campaign people have since been indicted, pleaded guilty and several were imprisoned.
Mueller was heavily criticised - including by senior members of the investigation - for not insisting on interviewing Trump (his lawyers provided written answers to questions) and not investigating Trump's finances.. Mueller went to lengths to say that the enquiry did not exonerate Trump. And is it not a bit weird that in four years of going to war on Twitter with long-standing allies from all around the world, Trump has never once had a bad word to say about Putin? Literally never once. You had the Helsinki humiliation where Trump said he believed Putin over US Intelligence. In an unprecedented move, Trump's Helsinki meeting with Putin also had no official records taken and the only other people in the meeting were the translators. Bit odd, no? Any action that has been taken against Russia in the past four years by way of punitive sanctions has been taken by Congress. And Trump absolutely should have been impeached first time round - the fact that the Senate blocked the appearance of witnesses shows you everything you need to know about whether the GOP was actually interested in considering the evidence.
We hear all this sh it from Trump and his followers that no other President has ever been treated like him - well, maybe ask yourself why?
As I've said before, one of the only truths to come out of Trump's mouth is when he said he could shoot someone of 5th Avenue and his supporters wouldn't care.
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Let's not forget the 3 US soldiers killed for a bounty put on their heads by Russia. This was confirmed by US military and security services. They even found the Afghans who did it and the money but Trump preferred to take Putin's word instead. Confirmed Russian cyber attacks? Trump said it was Iran. Multiple Russian airforce forays in US airspace? Trump says nothing.
Or maybe just wait for another Trumpite to come along out of the cesspool he has created.
Always been fairly right wing in the USA, but even the past Presidents had limits, this man has managed to make it the norm to cheat and lie your way to the top, there is no doubt more Trumps in the background, but if a leash can be put on the current one, might make it just that bit harder and a good few decades before the next rears up.
Trump didn't create the cesspit, he's the manifestation of it. The cesspit has been decades in making
I’m perfectly happy Baz, although it’s not actually about being happy, it’s about respecting the vote.
I wasn’t happy in 1997 when Blair got voted in but I accepted it, as we all should. The reaction over here to the democratic vote in 2016 here was shameful and that reaction has created the massive divisions we still see 5 years later.
Over to the US, I totally condemn the actions of Qanon and Trump, they are wrong, it’s up to the Republicans to go away and assess how to get elected in years to come. Incidentally, be interested to know if you’d condemn Antifa if they were reacting in the same way?
As for Trump, the man is now virtually deranged. I fully understand the Democrats challenging him on his policies, that’s the correct thing to do, but the way they’ve gone for him personally over the last four years is unacceptable. To personally vilify the man on such a scale would be classed as bullying in any other circumstance, it’s been relentless. You hear of previously sane but odd men carrying out atrocities after constant bullying, do we really know if this relentless baiting hasn’t pushed this strange man to the stage he’s reached now? We don’t. He has taken enough, if the Democrats have any humanity they should stop this now, let him go quietly and hopefully this mess can be resolved.
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