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Cracking programme on BBC 2 about the rise and rise of social media platforms over the last twenty years. There's not much to recommend it. Quiet frightening really.
He's not my cup of tea to be honest, but shall watch.
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It appears a lot in replies on his Twitter account unsurprisingly. Glad I didn't have my teenage years blighted by social media and the huge amount of grief it brings. More innocent times thankfully!! In Fairness the program is not necessarily about him but the pros and cons of social media. There aren't many pros!!
It appears a lot in replies on his Twitter account unsurprisingly. Glad I didn't have my teenage years blighted by social media and the huge amount of grief it brings. More innocent times thankfully!! In Fairness the program is not necessarily about him but the pros and cons of social media. There aren't many pros!!
Sorry, edited my reply just as you wrote yours.
I both depend on it for work and resent it. Could be regulated better that's for sure.
Went to see his Trolls: Not the Dolls standup last month in Guildford. All based around his Twitter feed and funny replies and also some really shocking ones. Very good though. Always liked Baddiel since Mary Whitehouse days. A comic who has evolved throughout the decades and hasn't really gone quiet at any point. Also highly recommend his latest book Jews Don't Count. Short but one I couldn't put down once I started it. Too bad he's a Chelsea fan.
A comedian that isn’t funny. Horrible little man. Be careful what you wish when comes to social media. Look at all countries now and in history that have had full control of the media.
a pathetic little man who's somehow making a second career out of saying dumb shit online and then crying about it
has he apologised to Jason Lee yet?
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He has apologized countless times to Jason Lee as he said in the documentary. I don't agree with some of his observations but he's entitled to his opinion and nobody deserves some of the horrendous abuse he's received.
Long before social media I seem to recall him dishing it out on a regular basis, the difference then was the public didn’t have the means of a ‘right’ to reply.
I suspect that’s what he really dislikes, much like most celebrities.
He has apologized countless times to Jason Lee as he said in the documentary. I don't agree with some of his observations but he's entitled to his opinion and nobody deserves some of the horrendous abuse he's received.
Below is a good example of why I’m going to watch with an open mind.
The abuse he received is horrible, and needs to be tackled. I just don’t think he’s the right guy to call it out bearing in mind his own history of bullying and punching down in his comedy.
Alastair Campbell the same on the theme of politics and current affairs. Imagine having the front to lecture anyone on politics in the wake of enabling a million Iraqi dead.
Long before social media — 29 years ago, in fact — David Baddiel was already a troll. Recounting here how he bullied a kid at school when he knew the boy’s mum was dying and later used the guy’s real name in a TV sketch. https://t.co/Ee8ttEnYDQpic.twitter.com/riMsk40G0N
I watched it, it doesn't matter whether you like, loath or are indifferent to Baddiel himself the programme is very interesting i thought. Particularly the comments by David Bowie on the advent of Social Media
Below is a good example of why I’m going to watch with an open mind.
The abuse he received is horrible, and needs to be tackled. I just don’t think he’s the right guy to call it out bearing in mind his own history of bullying and punching down in his comedy.
Alastair Campbell the same on the theme of politics and current affairs. Imagine having the front to lecture anyone on politics in the wake of enabling a million Iraqi dead.
Long before social media — 29 years ago, in fact — David Baddiel was already a troll. Recounting here how he bullied a kid at school when he knew the boy’s mum was dying and later used the guy’s real name in a TV sketch. https://t.co/Ee8ttEnYDQpic.twitter.com/riMsk40G0N
Baddiel's someone who has said and done a lot of stupid and offensive things. But unlike most people who have said and done a lot of stupid and offensive things, he appears to have thought about their stupidity and the offence they caused, and has often apologised for his past transgressions.
I watched it with the sound down because I couldn't even be bothered to hear about social media. Maybe I'll try it with the sound up at some point.
Always enjoyed the Skinner and Baddiel double act I must say - I wonder how much of this unpleasantness was a very misguided attempt at edgy humour? No idea. I do remember him saying he'd suffered most of his life from insomnia which has always stuck in my mind for some reason.
I watched it with the sound down because I couldn't even be bothered to hear about social media. Maybe I'll try it with the sound up at some point.
Always enjoyed the Skinner and Baddiel double act I must say - I wonder how much of this unpleasantness was a very misguided attempt at edgy humour? No idea. I do remember him saying he'd suffered most of his life from insomnia which has always stuck in my mind for some reason.
Newman and Baddiel in Pieces was a funny but strange show. The History Today sketches were massive when I was a teenager, everyone was quoting it. Their breakup tour at the time was one of the biggest comedy gigs of all time at Wembley Arena. He then goes on to co-write on the best football anthems of all time.
In his latter years he's still producing excellent content. His Holocaust Deniers Documentary a couple of years back was brilliantly done as well. And yet the progressive left seem to have it in for him because he dared to question a bit of their hypocrisy on certain matters.
Baddiel's someone who has said and done a lot of stupid and offensive things. But unlike most people who have said and done a lot of stupid and offensive things, he appears to have thought about their stupidity and the offence they caused, and has often apologised for his past transgressions.
I just finished it, and yes you are right.
I certainly have more sympathy for his views than I thought I would. It’s made me question the motivation for my own behaviour on here, and on social media in general. In a LfW first, I think I may have changed my mind about a lot of things I believed going in.
That said, there is still a huge element of hypocrisy and wilful ignorance in the behaviour of a certain demographic who think their carefully crafted libels and defamations on social media are somehow less abusive than a scaffy from Barnsley calling Diane Abbott a thick black cnt. They aren’t, they are just as damaging.
This will roll some eyes, but the elephant in the room is the profit motive. Of course Twitter will ignore calls for change as long as abuse delivers profits, which it does.
I deleted Twitter a few years ago because it was taking too much time and not good for my mood. I recently reloaded it as the only way to contact my bank in Ireland about problems with their App (first world problems...) and I've found it more annoying and intrusive than ever.
I don't remember before having to nominate three "interests" before being allowed to create an account - I think I added South Dakota from the unappetising list as one I would find particularly easy to ignore - and within minutes I was being bombarded with boring rubbish on all sorts of other things they bizarrely thought I would find interesting...such as Formula One, cryptocoin, Britney Spears. When I did weaken and look up a few people I did find interesting, I was snowed under with steadily more extreme attention seeking posts, all in one direction - antivax in my case, one from Don Trump Junior, though I really don't understand why. I'm furiously cancelling as many suggestions of theirs as I can and being very careful about what I pursue, but I imagine I will have binned it again by Christmas.
What's interesting and valuable about this site is that though we are drawn to it by a common interest, we clearly have a huge range of experiences and views about everything else, from Palestine through ginger hair to cheese. This is apparently rare, fragile and delicate, to get such a strange crowd in one place. Kudos to Clive for recognising that the free speech ideal has its limits online given the lack of the restraints that normally operate when people are face-to-face. So some things are let go, others are stomped instantly, disagreement is allowed but insults (beyond a certain level) aren't.
I feel that coming on here reminds me how to speak to people who don't share my beliefs, other Rangers fans and not my enemies, how to speak up for myself without trying to insult or ridicule others, how to present an argument without insisting on winning it, to cope with dissent rather than looking for a boss to ban or destroy it. It's something that needs to be practised, and isn't possible in the echo chamber of much of social media.
At the risk of losing any residual sympathy, a finishing quote from Edmund Burke: “Manners are of more importance than laws,” Burke wrote. “Upon them, in a great measure, the laws depend. The law touches us but here and there, and now and then. Manners are what vex or soothe, corrupt or purify, exalt or debase, barbarise or refine us, by a constant, steady, uniform, insensible operation, like that of the air we breathe in. They give their whole form and colour to our lives. According to their quality, they aid morals, they supply them, or they totally destroy them.”
I deleted Twitter a few years ago because it was taking too much time and not good for my mood. I recently reloaded it as the only way to contact my bank in Ireland about problems with their App (first world problems...) and I've found it more annoying and intrusive than ever.
I don't remember before having to nominate three "interests" before being allowed to create an account - I think I added South Dakota from the unappetising list as one I would find particularly easy to ignore - and within minutes I was being bombarded with boring rubbish on all sorts of other things they bizarrely thought I would find interesting...such as Formula One, cryptocoin, Britney Spears. When I did weaken and look up a few people I did find interesting, I was snowed under with steadily more extreme attention seeking posts, all in one direction - antivax in my case, one from Don Trump Junior, though I really don't understand why. I'm furiously cancelling as many suggestions of theirs as I can and being very careful about what I pursue, but I imagine I will have binned it again by Christmas.
What's interesting and valuable about this site is that though we are drawn to it by a common interest, we clearly have a huge range of experiences and views about everything else, from Palestine through ginger hair to cheese. This is apparently rare, fragile and delicate, to get such a strange crowd in one place. Kudos to Clive for recognising that the free speech ideal has its limits online given the lack of the restraints that normally operate when people are face-to-face. So some things are let go, others are stomped instantly, disagreement is allowed but insults (beyond a certain level) aren't.
I feel that coming on here reminds me how to speak to people who don't share my beliefs, other Rangers fans and not my enemies, how to speak up for myself without trying to insult or ridicule others, how to present an argument without insisting on winning it, to cope with dissent rather than looking for a boss to ban or destroy it. It's something that needs to be practised, and isn't possible in the echo chamber of much of social media.
At the risk of losing any residual sympathy, a finishing quote from Edmund Burke: “Manners are of more importance than laws,” Burke wrote. “Upon them, in a great measure, the laws depend. The law touches us but here and there, and now and then. Manners are what vex or soothe, corrupt or purify, exalt or debase, barbarise or refine us, by a constant, steady, uniform, insensible operation, like that of the air we breathe in. They give their whole form and colour to our lives. According to their quality, they aid morals, they supply them, or they totally destroy them.”
Good post
I have twitter but all notifications off and just go on if looking for something specific or for work.
South Dakota is a lovely state, I wont list all the great places to see and things to do as I am sure you are about to be informed in the coming days :)
I have twitter but all notifications off and just go on if looking for something specific or for work.
South Dakota is a lovely state, I wont list all the great places to see and things to do as I am sure you are about to be informed in the coming days :)
No doubt, but I certainly hate those North Dakota knuts already.
He has apologized countless times to Jason Lee as he said in the documentary. I don't agree with some of his observations but he's entitled to his opinion and nobody deserves some of the horrendous abuse he's received.
he's never apologised to Jason Lee, he's done a bit of hand-wringing in newspapers but never had the balls to look him in the eye and say sorry.
“The thing about football - the important thing about football - is that it is not just about football.â€
Always felt twitter was something designed for the benefit of those who would write similar "humour" or comments in toilet stalls. Not seen much evidence that is any different.
he's never apologised to Jason Lee, he's done a bit of hand-wringing in newspapers but never had the balls to look him in the eye and say sorry.
An apology is never enough today though is it?
Judging comedy from 30 years ago by todays acceptable standards opens a whole new can of worms. Where would you stop?
Should Ray Houghton, Skinner and Baddiel also look every person of Irish heritage in the eye and apologise for this sketch or just accept it was comedy from nearly three decades ago, funny at the time and that perhaps we've all moved on a bit?
Judging comedy from 30 years ago by todays acceptable standards opens a whole new can of worms. Where would you stop?
Should Ray Houghton, Skinner and Baddiel also look every person of Irish heritage in the eye and apologise for this sketch or just accept it was comedy from nearly three decades ago, funny at the time and that perhaps we've all moved on a bit?
Well I'm Irish and I'm not offended by the sketch so it's not offensive. Other people may think different ways , I'm sure they do. Alf Garnett like to take the piss out of us Irish. Persosonally I wasn't offended, as for other minorities that's there business and I'm while it was in retrospect it wasn't particularly good. There was only one fool in the show and that was Alf!!
Exceptionally talented guy across various disciplines. ‘Jews don’t count’ is really worth reading whatever your thoughts on religion or racism and it’s a really quick read.
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