| Ashes thread 18:40 - Oct 9 with 46492 views | BlackCrowe |
Kicks off next month with the news that Cummins is likely out of the first test and possibly most/all of the series. That helps. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 22:39 - Nov 24 with 2712 views | stowmarketrange |
| Ashes thread on 21:35 - Nov 24 by Rsole |
I think that was largely inevitable but I’d be seriously fecked off as a tourist paying money to see the last day of cricket unfold, then knowing what’s coming next and doing FA about it.
My kids saw me in the crowd at the SCG on TV many years ago, when we just gave up and still remind me of how pissed off I looked then.
I wouldn’t go back for cricket reasons again, as much as I enjoy OZ and NZ. |
We are always liable to collapse and turn victory in a calamitous defeat.I was in Wellington in 2023 when we threw the 2nd test away and lost by 1 run.
By not playing our out of form batsmen in the Lions game smacks of arrogance again. |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 22:42 - Nov 24 with 2704 views | JamesB1979 |
| Ashes thread on 21:35 - Nov 24 by Rsole |
I think that was largely inevitable but I’d be seriously fecked off as a tourist paying money to see the last day of cricket unfold, then knowing what’s coming next and doing FA about it.
My kids saw me in the crowd at the SCG on TV many years ago, when we just gave up and still remind me of how pissed off I looked then.
I wouldn’t go back for cricket reasons again, as much as I enjoy OZ and NZ. |
I went for 06-07, at least we were facing one of best sides ever with McGrath, Warne, Ponting etc. This Aussie side is pretty average. The problem with this England team is there is no accountability. You can play a rash shot and it’s “part of the plan”. |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 23:32 - Nov 24 with 2551 views | CamberleyR |
I'm expecting another defeat and probably a heavy one in Brisbane, zero chance of winning. We've lost five of the last six there all by massive margins, 2010 was a draw:
2021 - 9 wickets
2017 - 10 wickets
2013 - 381 runs
2006 - 277 runs
2002 - 384 runs
Adelaide we have a similarly poor recent record (one win, six defeats there in the last seven). The series will be done and dusted by Melbourne I reckon. [Post edited 25 Nov 10:09]
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| Ashes thread on 03:07 - Nov 25 with 2443 views | Kiwi76 |
| Ashes thread on 22:39 - Nov 24 by stowmarketrange |
We are always liable to collapse and turn victory in a calamitous defeat.I was in Wellington in 2023 when we threw the 2nd test away and lost by 1 run.
By not playing our out of form batsmen in the Lions game smacks of arrogance again. |
Know there’s risk of another failure but how Crawley can’t benefit from pink ball practice before next test is daft - along with few others.
Expect a bloodbath with at least Cummins back |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 07:01 - Nov 25 with 2354 views | Rsole |
| Ashes thread on 03:07 - Nov 25 by Kiwi76 |
Know there’s risk of another failure but how Crawley can’t benefit from pink ball practice before next test is daft - along with few others.
Expect a bloodbath with at least Cummins back |
There’s some form of weird logic being applied by not doing more preparation, having been criticised for not doing enough preparation and defending it the way they did.
No one is going to admit they weren’t prepared by doing it now, just as they won’t drop Crawley having backed him to be one of the differentiators in Australia.
It’s all a bit reminiscent of the game model being the way forward, until it’s not because we lose 7 in a row, again.
Crawley’s current record this year and in Australia is more shocking than I thought, according to this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cjwyd76l09no
Throw in some bloody awful shots and decision making from the better players, it doesn’t bode well. Especially given the next venue, crowd, ball and returning captain and world class bowler. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 08:31 - Nov 25 with 2289 views | TheChef |
It feels like we've got to the stage where like everything else these days, the England team are making pronouncements just to wind up the general public.
Key, McCullum and Stokes it seems just want to double down on their approach - no pause for thought, any mild contrition, just carry on regardless and hope it will all turn out OK in the end.
The longer this regime goes on the more cultish (and cntish) it appears. Yes great you're playing positive cricket, often entertaining, but ultimately it doesn't translate into success. It's not as if they're winning every series are they?
I had to laugh at Tongue, Bethell and Potts being sent off for the two day game, the poor things are going to miss out on all that quality camaraderie time...or maybe they're being ostracised for being shit at golf and making flat whites.
I hope they can turn the series around, but it seems if they're not so bothered about winning then I can't be too bothered about them losing.
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| Ashes thread on 09:06 - Nov 25 with 2228 views | daveB |
It is a tricky one becasue for all the stick they are getting about prep England should have won that game and if they bat even slightly normally in the next game they'll have a great chance to win again.
I do think not playing this pink ball game is a bit daft though |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 09:51 - Nov 25 with 2149 views | TheChef |
| Ashes thread on 09:06 - Nov 25 by daveB |
It is a tricky one becasue for all the stick they are getting about prep England should have won that game and if they bat even slightly normally in the next game they'll have a great chance to win again.
I do think not playing this pink ball game is a bit daft though |
But that's the thing, they don't want to play slightly normally, they only want to play one way. And you're not going to win consistently if you don't adapt to each match. | |
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| Ashes thread on 09:54 - Nov 25 with 2138 views | OldPedro |
| Ashes thread on 09:51 - Nov 25 by TheChef |
But that's the thing, they don't want to play slightly normally, they only want to play one way. And you're not going to win consistently if you don't adapt to each match. |
Agree completely - it seems to be a repeating pattern where they get themselves into a good position and then blow it. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 10:08 - Nov 25 with 2096 views | CamberleyR |
| Ashes thread on 09:06 - Nov 25 by daveB |
It is a tricky one becasue for all the stick they are getting about prep England should have won that game and if they bat even slightly normally in the next game they'll have a great chance to win again.
I do think not playing this pink ball game is a bit daft though |
"I do think not playing this pink ball game is a bit daft though"
Especially given Australia's record in day/night tests (won 13 of 14) and ours (lost 5 of 7).
We've lost the two day/night tests out there we've previously played (both at Adelaide and both by convincing margins; 275 runs and 120 runs) | |
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| Ashes thread on 10:11 - Nov 25 with 2081 views | JamesB1979 |
If they did the practice game and got beat, everyone would probably just accept it. Now they are not playing a practice game they are going to get crucified if they lose the 2nd test badly. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 10:13 - Nov 25 with 2080 views | derbyhoop |
After those 2 batting performances (sic!) I struggle to see past another whitewash.
Pre Perth, I thought Engand would have an innings < 150 and another around 500.
I'm less confident about the latter now. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 10:15 - Nov 25 with 2074 views | ozexile |
| Ashes thread on 08:31 - Nov 25 by TheChef |
It feels like we've got to the stage where like everything else these days, the England team are making pronouncements just to wind up the general public.
Key, McCullum and Stokes it seems just want to double down on their approach - no pause for thought, any mild contrition, just carry on regardless and hope it will all turn out OK in the end.
The longer this regime goes on the more cultish (and cntish) it appears. Yes great you're playing positive cricket, often entertaining, but ultimately it doesn't translate into success. It's not as if they're winning every series are they?
I had to laugh at Tongue, Bethell and Potts being sent off for the two day game, the poor things are going to miss out on all that quality camaraderie time...or maybe they're being ostracised for being shit at golf and making flat whites.
I hope they can turn the series around, but it seems if they're not so bothered about winning then I can't be too bothered about them losing.
Cue England win 4-1 |
I can't work out which part is positive? | | | |
| Ashes thread on 04:41 - Nov 26 with 1881 views | Superhoops2808 |
One day we will hear the players side of it I am sure. I cannot believe some would not be chomping at the bit to have a bit of extra time in the middle |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 08:06 - Nov 26 with 1758 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Ashes thread on 10:11 - Nov 25 by JamesB1979 |
If they did the practice game and got beat, everyone would probably just accept it. Now they are not playing a practice game they are going to get crucified if they lose the 2nd test badly. |
No-one would accept it, even if we rushed off to play a pink ball game, though. Losing the Ashes is usually the end of regimes and I find it pretty sad that McCullum, Key and Stokes will almost certainly be chucked away at the end of this latest debacle, if that is what happens. They have made some mistakes for sure on this tour, to the delight of vile old never-weres like Agnew, but they remain our best chance to beat them at home in a couple of years' time.
In my view, you can practice all you like with the pink ball against whoever, but it won't mean Zak suddenly lines up Starc.
As DaveB said, we were actually right in that last test match - we are not far off.
I just wish they would bring a little balance. McCullum needs to reign Brook in from batting like a madman, he's so good and he is wasting it. Crawley only has one way, really, but the class like Root and Brook need to play properly. [Post edited 26 Nov 8:28]
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| Ashes thread on 09:02 - Nov 26 with 1676 views | TheChef |
| Ashes thread on 04:41 - Nov 26 by Superhoops2808 |
One day we will hear the players side of it I am sure. I cannot believe some would not be chomping at the bit to have a bit of extra time in the middle |
I for one can't wait for the post- Bazball warts and all expose!
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| Ashes thread on 09:17 - Nov 26 with 1644 views | Hunterhoop |
| Ashes thread on 08:06 - Nov 26 by GaryBannister86 |
No-one would accept it, even if we rushed off to play a pink ball game, though. Losing the Ashes is usually the end of regimes and I find it pretty sad that McCullum, Key and Stokes will almost certainly be chucked away at the end of this latest debacle, if that is what happens. They have made some mistakes for sure on this tour, to the delight of vile old never-weres like Agnew, but they remain our best chance to beat them at home in a couple of years' time.
In my view, you can practice all you like with the pink ball against whoever, but it won't mean Zak suddenly lines up Starc.
As DaveB said, we were actually right in that last test match - we are not far off.
I just wish they would bring a little balance. McCullum needs to reign Brook in from batting like a madman, he's so good and he is wasting it. Crawley only has one way, really, but the class like Root and Brook need to play properly. [Post edited 26 Nov 8:28]
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I think that’s all anyone wants. A bit of balance.
Bazball was meant to be playing positive cricket. We can all get behind that. But positive cricket can be running quick singles and twos, rotating the strike in the face of pressure. Putting pressure back on the fielders. It doesn’t need to be - and we were told it never was - simply very aggressive batting regardless of the situation. Ben Stokes himself ahead showed that positive cricket can simply involved very positive, firm defensive shots in the face of great bowling. It isn’t walking down the track early in your innings “just because…”.
There is an accountability problem in the England culture. They have rightly tried to remove the fear of failure to free the players. Great. Get it. But there shouldn’t be zero accountability. When that happens it gives the players an excuse for playing poorly, and playing cricket is their job. It’s meant to be a competitive sport. If you don’t perform over a prolonged period of time, some else gets a chance. This “it’s the way I/we play” line is lazy and bad for any professional culture. It may be the way you play, but if you don’t execute it better in key moments, it needs some adaptation or perhaps England need to pick players who can execute it better? [Post edited 29 Nov 12:30]
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| Ashes thread on 13:00 - Nov 29 with 1161 views | R_from_afar |
| Ashes thread on 09:17 - Nov 26 by Hunterhoop |
I think that’s all anyone wants. A bit of balance.
Bazball was meant to be playing positive cricket. We can all get behind that. But positive cricket can be running quick singles and twos, rotating the strike in the face of pressure. Putting pressure back on the fielders. It doesn’t need to be - and we were told it never was - simply very aggressive batting regardless of the situation. Ben Stokes himself ahead showed that positive cricket can simply involved very positive, firm defensive shots in the face of great bowling. It isn’t walking down the track early in your innings “just because…”.
There is an accountability problem in the England culture. They have rightly tried to remove the fear of failure to free the players. Great. Get it. But there shouldn’t be zero accountability. When that happens it gives the players an excuse for playing poorly, and playing cricket is their job. It’s meant to be a competitive sport. If you don’t perform over a prolonged period of time, some else gets a chance. This “it’s the way I/we play” line is lazy and bad for any professional culture. It may be the way you play, but if you don’t execute it better in key moments, it needs some adaptation or perhaps England need to pick players who can execute it better? [Post edited 29 Nov 12:30]
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Good post. Tests are five day affairs, there's no need to try and hammer every ball. Unless you're bowled rank balls early on, it makes sense to allow yourself a few deliveries to get used to the pitch, the bowlers and the light. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 13:23 - Nov 29 with 1109 views | Superhoops2808 |
That is a f**king joke. Did very little except bowl fast in the first test Why on earth did we bother taking him  | | | |
| Ashes thread on 13:38 - Nov 29 with 1061 views | Loyalitat |
| Ashes thread on 13:00 - Nov 29 by R_from_afar |
Good post. Tests are five day affairs, there's no need to try and hammer every ball. Unless you're bowled rank balls early on, it makes sense to allow yourself a few deliveries to get used to the pitch, the bowlers and the light. |
Respectfully, we are the only nation that sees it fit to buck that trend on a continuous basis. I watched a fair bit of the two test matches that South Africa played against India, in India.
They clearly observed all the above and have players in their ranks who can be just as destructive, when batting, as the likes of Brook; Stubbs for instance, but they played in a pragmatic manner, with the right mental approach and were prepared to navigate the inevitable tough moments by not playing injudicious shots. By doing that, they absolutely destroyed India in the second test after winning a tight first test.
Prior to South Africa, New Zealand also won in India by observing and applying test match principles for their 3-0 series win in India about a year ago. We are the outliers here and it isn't working. [Post edited 29 Nov 14:07]
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| Ashes thread on 23:39 - Nov 29 with 902 views | stowmarketrange |
| Ashes thread on 13:00 - Nov 29 by R_from_afar |
Good post. Tests are five day affairs, there's no need to try and hammer every ball. Unless you're bowled rank balls early on, it makes sense to allow yourself a few deliveries to get used to the pitch, the bowlers and the light. |
It’s good when it pays off but it doesn’t pay off often enough to justify playing like it every test match. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 11:52 - Dec 3 with 565 views | Superhoops2808 |
Australia delay naming their Xi for tomorrow with the suggestion Cummins may play after all
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| Ashes thread on 13:26 - Dec 3 with 423 views | TheChef |
| Ashes thread on 11:52 - Dec 3 by Superhoops2808 |
Australia delay naming their Xi for tomorrow with the suggestion Cummins may play after all
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Won't make much difference as we're crap at day/night, pink ball cricket.
Has been discussed why an Ashes series needs one when grounds will sell out anyway; works nicely in the home side's favour. | |
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| Ashes thread on 13:48 - Dec 3 with 372 views | Rsole |
| Ashes thread on 13:26 - Dec 3 by TheChef |
Won't make much difference as we're crap at day/night, pink ball cricket.
Has been discussed why an Ashes series needs one when grounds will sell out anyway; works nicely in the home side's favour. |
I guess most of us will still get up early to watch - well, maybe until Saturday !
I see Jacks made it ahead of Bashir. Guess the selectors think our batting is weak and needs another batsman that can bowl - rather than a bowler that can’t bowl. | |
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