| WBA latest to have PSR issues 14:15 - Apr 13 with 6423 views | themodfather |
breaking news WBA under scrutiny by EFL over 39m losses in 3 seasons. before i get excited,
i always worry about our losses at QPR, i assume most EFL clubs have debts too .
makes me wonder why league waited to deduct a point off derby to send wycombe down a few years,back ?? |  | | |  |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:31 - Apr 13 with 4577 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I bet Leicester City might be interested! |  |
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 15:45 - Apr 13 with 4412 views | wombat |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:31 - Apr 13 by PlanetHonneywood |
I bet Leicester City might be interested! |
seems very late to come up with this though . thought under the new rules accts had to be done before the usual tax year to allow for them to take month to decide how to punich clubs . |  |
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 17:55 - Apr 13 with 4223 views | nick_hammersmith |
Most?
I thought out of the 92 clubs in total there are a handful that actually make any money |  | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 18:47 - Apr 13 with 4109 views | NorthantsHoop |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 17:55 - Apr 13 by nick_hammersmith |
Most?
I thought out of the 92 clubs in total there are a handful that actually make any money |
It's all a giant Ponzi scheme being acted in out in plain sight, but the fact is us football fans just love the sport/our clubs and try and convince ourselves it will all come good. Best not to follow the money. |  | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 20:04 - Apr 13 with 3944 views | derbyhoop |
I'm not sure you'd get a Full hand. |  |
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 06:36 - Apr 14 with 3707 views | kernowhoop |
Not quite clear about this, but it seems possible that the three relegated clubs in the Championship in 2025-2026 could all go down with, or as a result of, points deductions. Is that correct? | | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 07:14 - Apr 14 with 3625 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Not a surprise. Its been mentioned on here several times that WBA were the next one to hit problems as I imagine the wage bill must huge. | |
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 08:31 - Apr 14 with 3498 views | stowmarketrange |
It certainly is a mess isn’t it.If they deduct points,wba will appeal,and if they don’t,Leicester will appeal.
They’ll probably wait and see where wba finish and just deduct enough points that they avoid relegation. |  | | |
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 12:30 - Apr 14 with 3262 views | Lblock |
There doesn't seem to be too much of this really other than a report in one newspaper that WBA have failed to comply with P&S reporting requirements.
That feels like it's an administrative breach which might not result in any points sanction.
Shame as my dream bottom three a couple of months back was Cheff Weds on minus points, Leicester and then WBA. Hopefully it is a case that they'll get a three point sanction and they'll drop with Oxford and Pompey surviving. |  |
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 12:57 - Apr 14 with 3179 views | NorrisGreen |
They have 14 days to answer the charge. So, at 23:59 on Day 13 they will say "not guilty m'lud".
That's what, 4 or 5 days before the last games. What a bleeding shambles.
Their breach is supposedly small-ish so any points fine should be small to, a couple of points perhaps or maybe not even points, a warning or suspended sentence?
Smacks of it all being timed to see what the table looks like after game 45 before dishing out the sanction.
More generally, the EFL/Prem/FA need to all get a grip of this and operate on a calendar or time frame that gives space to sort things out.
I'd suggest the P&S financial year reporting period should end mid-January (when winter window closes) with final figs submitted by 31 January.
Any delays, mistakes or omissions incur an immediate 10pt deduction. Any financial breach incurs 10pt + 1pt for each £1m of excess spending.
If any evidence of acting in bad faith or seeking to misreprent expenditure subsequently emerges when formal accounts are settled in April or thereafter, immediate expulsion from the league will ensue.
It's not that hard to state a clear simple framework. Half of me feels the authorities like having it a bit nebulous in case any sexy blue-eyed clubs are involved. | | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 13:19 - Apr 14 with 3114 views | ted_hendrix |
Is It me or am I the only one who finds these *rules* confusing?
Driving back from Watford when we won promotion we still had the threat of having our promotion success taken away from us, It dampened our/my euphoria.
There Is no need for this confusion and doubt at the end of the season, maybe the rules are clear, but I don't know, If you see a traffic sign that says 30 MPH then stick within 30 MPH and you'll be fine.
Why has everything got to be so bloody confusing? |  |
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 13:24 - Apr 14 with 3100 views | Superhoops2808 |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 13:19 - Apr 14 by ted_hendrix |
Is It me or am I the only one who finds these *rules* confusing?
Driving back from Watford when we won promotion we still had the threat of having our promotion success taken away from us, It dampened our/my euphoria.
There Is no need for this confusion and doubt at the end of the season, maybe the rules are clear, but I don't know, If you see a traffic sign that says 30 MPH then stick within 30 MPH and you'll be fine.
Why has everything got to be so bloody confusing? |
Agreed Ted...
I believe any punishment should be at the beginning of a season so you know where you start from
In the event of going into administration then by all means deduct the automatic 12 points but anything else, give it to a team at the start so everyone knows where they stand |  | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 13:49 - Apr 14 with 3026 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Hear me out...
Points deductions don't really punish shitty owners do they?
Bad owners only respond to threats the their bottom line. That's where punishment should be. [Post edited 14 Apr 13:52]
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:31 - Apr 14 with 2926 views | Lblock |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 13:49 - Apr 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Hear me out...
Points deductions don't really punish shitty owners do they?
Bad owners only respond to threats the their bottom line. That's where punishment should be. [Post edited 14 Apr 13:52]
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Good owner = one who throws money around like confetti on vvankarse footballers BUT underwrites it all themself and doesn't leverage it on the club.
Bad owner = one who throws money around like confetti on vvankarse footballers AND doesn't underwrite it all themself and instead leverages it on the club. | |
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:35 - Apr 14 with 2907 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:31 - Apr 14 by Lblock |
Good owner = one who throws money around like confetti on vvankarse footballers BUT underwrites it all themself and doesn't leverage it on the club.
Bad owner = one who throws money around like confetti on vvankarse footballers AND doesn't underwrite it all themself and instead leverages it on the club. |
Both not helpful for football IMO but I know which i'd rather have. | | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:41 - Apr 14 with 2890 views | EastR |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 12:57 - Apr 14 by NorrisGreen |
They have 14 days to answer the charge. So, at 23:59 on Day 13 they will say "not guilty m'lud".
That's what, 4 or 5 days before the last games. What a bleeding shambles.
Their breach is supposedly small-ish so any points fine should be small to, a couple of points perhaps or maybe not even points, a warning or suspended sentence?
Smacks of it all being timed to see what the table looks like after game 45 before dishing out the sanction.
More generally, the EFL/Prem/FA need to all get a grip of this and operate on a calendar or time frame that gives space to sort things out.
I'd suggest the P&S financial year reporting period should end mid-January (when winter window closes) with final figs submitted by 31 January.
Any delays, mistakes or omissions incur an immediate 10pt deduction. Any financial breach incurs 10pt + 1pt for each £1m of excess spending.
If any evidence of acting in bad faith or seeking to misreprent expenditure subsequently emerges when formal accounts are settled in April or thereafter, immediate expulsion from the league will ensue.
It's not that hard to state a clear simple framework. Half of me feels the authorities like having it a bit nebulous in case any sexy blue-eyed clubs are involved. |
Except there's already a deadline for reporting and its 31 December so there's plenty of opportunity to let them know they're in breach in Jan, Feb or even March
Someone in the EFL Club Financial Reporting Unit (CFRU) isn't doing their job. | |
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:43 - Apr 14 with 2877 views | JamesB1979 |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 13:49 - Apr 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Hear me out...
Points deductions don't really punish shitty owners do they?
Bad owners only respond to threats the their bottom line. That's where punishment should be. [Post edited 14 Apr 13:52]
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Agree with that. But fines on the club I’m not sure are helpful either. Maybe imposing directly on the shareholders split by their ownership. | | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:49 - Apr 14 with 2857 views | 7374Ranger |
According to this nearly all the clubs are losing money and QPR are amongst the heaviest lovers.
It's not looking good for the state of football in the UK. Even L1 and L2 clubs are over reaching themselves chasing promotions.
No doubt the overpaid Premiership footballers have forced clubs to overpay players in lower divisions too.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/foot | | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:50 - Apr 14 with 2854 views | Maggsinho |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:49 - Apr 14 by 7374Ranger |
According to this nearly all the clubs are losing money and QPR are amongst the heaviest lovers.
It's not looking good for the state of football in the UK. Even L1 and L2 clubs are over reaching themselves chasing promotions.
No doubt the overpaid Premiership footballers have forced clubs to overpay players in lower divisions too.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/foot |
We certainly the heaviest lovers  |  | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 19:10 - Apr 14 with 2666 views | Juzzie |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 13:19 - Apr 14 by ted_hendrix |
Is It me or am I the only one who finds these *rules* confusing?
Driving back from Watford when we won promotion we still had the threat of having our promotion success taken away from us, It dampened our/my euphoria.
There Is no need for this confusion and doubt at the end of the season, maybe the rules are clear, but I don't know, If you see a traffic sign that says 30 MPH then stick within 30 MPH and you'll be fine.
Why has everything got to be so bloody confusing? |
Unfortunately Ted there is always some cnt out there who deliberately looks to manipulate whatever rules are in place and then when that happens another sub rule gets created to close it down and you end up with layers upon layers of different rules spread over many years because of cnts. |  | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 21:44 - Apr 14 with 2504 views | slmrstid |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:41 - Apr 14 by EastR |
Except there's already a deadline for reporting and its 31 December so there's plenty of opportunity to let them know they're in breach in Jan, Feb or even March
Someone in the EFL Club Financial Reporting Unit (CFRU) isn't doing their job. |
Depends if West Brom filed it on time which we don't know.
There's probably an argument though to say a late filing should also incur a deduction! |  | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 22:15 - Apr 14 with 2410 views | Lblock |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:35 - Apr 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Both not helpful for football IMO but I know which i'd rather have. |
Was the point I was trying to make and failed.
It’s mental and getting worse.
This endless lust to spend is going on at the bottom of the pyramid and it’s so her the economics or the maddest of mad houses or something else I won’t bring up here.
Every Bury that we lose the top table pump their fists as it’s one less minnow in their pond.
I’m all for free business but there has to be limits and sensibility somewhere | |
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 09:44 - Apr 15 with 2199 views | terryb |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 14:41 - Apr 14 by EastR |
Except there's already a deadline for reporting and its 31 December so there's plenty of opportunity to let them know they're in breach in Jan, Feb or even March
Someone in the EFL Club Financial Reporting Unit (CFRU) isn't doing their job. |
I think that is the deadline for the accounts to be filed with Companies House rather than with the EFL & December is the deadline for forecasts to be lodged (Future Financial Information).
It was March before any reports of clubs accounts were made public & that includes Queens Park Rangers.
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Sorry for quoting from AI, but it was easier than copying the EFL regulations!
AI Overview
EFL clubs must submit their annual accounts to the EFL's Club Financial Reporting Unit (CFRU) based on league standing: Championship clubs typically file by March 1st following their financial year-end, while League One and Two clubs must file by the earlier of their Companies House deadline or March 31st.Key Filing Deadlines and Requirements:Championship Clubs: Annual accounts must be submitted by 1 March. Additionally, they must submit "Future Financial Information" (FFI) and sometimes interim accounts.League One & Two Clubs: The deadline is the earlier of their Companies House filing date or 31 March.Profit & Sustainability (P&S) Calculations: All clubs must file an estimated P&S calculation in March to monitor compliance.Mid-Season Requirements: Clubs must provide a mid-season SCMP (Salary Cost Management Protocol) submission in December.Non-compliance with these submissions can lead to registration embargoes and the enforcement of business plans. [Post edited 15 Apr 10:09]
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| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 09:54 - Apr 15 with 2169 views | terryb |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 12:57 - Apr 14 by NorrisGreen |
They have 14 days to answer the charge. So, at 23:59 on Day 13 they will say "not guilty m'lud".
That's what, 4 or 5 days before the last games. What a bleeding shambles.
Their breach is supposedly small-ish so any points fine should be small to, a couple of points perhaps or maybe not even points, a warning or suspended sentence?
Smacks of it all being timed to see what the table looks like after game 45 before dishing out the sanction.
More generally, the EFL/Prem/FA need to all get a grip of this and operate on a calendar or time frame that gives space to sort things out.
I'd suggest the P&S financial year reporting period should end mid-January (when winter window closes) with final figs submitted by 31 January.
Any delays, mistakes or omissions incur an immediate 10pt deduction. Any financial breach incurs 10pt + 1pt for each £1m of excess spending.
If any evidence of acting in bad faith or seeking to misreprent expenditure subsequently emerges when formal accounts are settled in April or thereafter, immediate expulsion from the league will ensue.
It's not that hard to state a clear simple framework. Half of me feels the authorities like having it a bit nebulous in case any sexy blue-eyed clubs are involved. |
According to SimonD the club have 14 days to respond & the hearing must be held within 28 days of the compliance report being issued. *(I assume that is 28 days after notification rather than after the responding period)
If it is correct that it is "only a small breach", then a £2m loss incurs a 3 point penalty & a £4m loss has a 4 point penalty. However, if the losses are decreasing year on year the deduction is reduced by 1 point.
* My thoughts rather than Simon's. | | | |
| WBA latest to have PSR issues on 10:53 - Apr 15 with 2058 views | davman |
Just make provision of full costs of every transfer fee and al the wages in a contract up front a condition of league membership. If a club's owner can't find the money, they can't afford the contract.
Yes, I get that is not how "business" works, but having the money available to service future charges will secure the clubs.
Can't change the LAW, but can make this a condition of membership surely? |  |
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