| The Labour Party 16:37 - May 14 with 21974 views | Logman |
Sorry, I know politics is taboo on here but I just can't believe how intent the Labour party are to push the self-destruct button. The party is tumbling in the polls and elections but the muppets just seem to want to drive a further wedge through it and split. They really need to see the bigger picture and pull together. It wouldn't be so bad if those in opposition were more central but unfortunately I fear this is just opening the door for NF to wheedle his way in. All very depressing. |  | | |  |
| The Labour Party on 16:43 - May 14 with 9267 views | TheChef |
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| The Labour Party on 17:02 - May 14 with 9183 views | slmrstid |
Naked ambition over the good of the country.
Wes Streeting will get punished by the electorate for this move and it will be completely and thoroughly deserved. |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 17:07 - May 14 with 9149 views | ted_hendrix |
It's not the Labour Party I spent most of my working life being a member of, I'm completely dissociated from them now, which Is the opposite of what I should be. |  |
| My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic. |
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| The Labour Party on 17:21 - May 14 with 9037 views | Hayesender |
| The Labour Party on 17:07 - May 14 by ted_hendrix |
It's not the Labour Party I spent most of my working life being a member of, I'm completely dissociated from them now, which Is the opposite of what I should be. |
Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of John Smith. This also let the establishment get their man Blair in, and the death of the Labour Party as people knew it |  |
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| The Labour Party on 17:28 - May 14 with 9012 views | Hoopstar |
Almost everyone I grew up with should be dyed in the wool Labour voters. The party should still be in our blood passed down by the generations. I was a Labour party member and campaigner for years.
Hardly one of us have anything to do with it anymore, and certainly won't vote for them. If I wanted to vote for the Conservatives I would...
Bleak times in the country. [Post edited 14 May 17:30]
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| The Labour Party on 17:35 - May 14 with 8970 views | DWQPR |
Josh Simons has just resigned his seat opening the way for Burnham to stand for election to parliament. Had a 5,000+ majority over Reform at the last election with 45% of the vote. Greens were well down with around 4% of the vote. Doesn’t seem to me as a gimme for Burnham at all. Can see Starmer spending time up there canvassing for anyone but Burnham!😂😂😂 Given the relative marginality of this seat and the real chance that Burnham loses we could in effect have a GE election on a one by one constituency basis! | |
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| The Labour Party on 18:18 - May 14 with 8790 views | qpr_1968 |
| The Labour Party on 17:21 - May 14 by Hayesender |
Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of John Smith. This also let the establishment get their man Blair in, and the death of the Labour Party as people knew it |
gutted when john smith pegged it...
thoought he would be the ideal man to lead the country at the time...
proper old labour man for the working class..seemed genuine and fair...
we'll never know. | |
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| The Labour Party on 18:29 - May 14 with 8733 views | derbyhoop |
The local elections were a disaster for Labour. Canvassers said that Starmer's unpopularity was one of the big reasons. So 90+ Lab MPs want him gone but can't agree on who should replace him
Burnham isn't an MP and can only stand if he wins the by election set up today. Not guaranteed.
Streeting isn't particularly popular among the PLP, so no guarantee he'll get enough for a nomination, nor win any election.
Are there any other credible candidates? Not for me.
It's a mess. And none of it is in the interests of the country as a whole. |  |
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| The Labour Party on 18:55 - May 14 with 8622 views | colinallcars |
| The Labour Party on 17:21 - May 14 by Hayesender |
Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of John Smith. This also let the establishment get their man Blair in, and the death of the Labour Party as people knew it |
I agree, John Smith's death was a huge blow, he would have been great for us. |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 19:22 - May 14 with 8570 views | Superhoops2808 |
| The Labour Party on 17:35 - May 14 by DWQPR |
Josh Simons has just resigned his seat opening the way for Burnham to stand for election to parliament. Had a 5,000+ majority over Reform at the last election with 45% of the vote. Greens were well down with around 4% of the vote. Doesn’t seem to me as a gimme for Burnham at all. Can see Starmer spending time up there canvassing for anyone but Burnham!😂😂😂 Given the relative marginality of this seat and the real chance that Burnham loses we could in effect have a GE election on a one by one constituency basis! |
Jess Philips has made a very good point to Burnham:
'Be careful of looking entitled'
The wheels of politics work in mysterious ways!!
Most funniest thing is Gary Neville being touted to takeover from Burnham |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 19:37 - May 14 with 8509 views | Devonwhitewhitewhite |
BBC superb North America Editor Sarah Smith is his daughter. Yes a real lost leader. GET YOUR HEART CHECKED OUT!! | | | |
| The Labour Party on 19:59 - May 14 with 8429 views | LazyFan |
Let's be clear, this is entirely the fault of the right of the Labour Party, known as the Blairites.
The right wing of the Labour Party has full control; they own the majority of Labour MPs (as they were pre-selected through shortlists, not the constituencies), and have complete NEC control, as we have seen with Burnham being blocked.
As I stated many times in the past, Starmer became the leader of the Labour Party by lying. TFS (Two-Faced Starmer), I called him at the time. And thus it has proven to be totally the case in reality. As in he is TFS. Here is what he said he would do for the Labour Party if elected leader: https://www.clpd.org.uk/wp-con
And he never did it, even though he claimed they were pledges. If he had done even half of that, we would be x10 a better country for it.
All lies by Starmer.
He's in total hock to the corporations. Their minion, which is why he's so robotic. A corporate robot. As they actually like the way things are. all of us scrabbling around ot make ends meet, while they clean up. Fat cats!
Let's look at what the right-wing media press say are loony left policies of Starmerism to show you that they are, in fact, right-wing policies and Starmer really is a Tory like all Blairites.
1)
Increasing employers' NI contributions, which is seemingly anti-business. It is for small businesses, but for BIG Businesses, it puts the small ones out of Business and gives them a nice excuse to sack more people, whilst hoovering up the scraps.
"Oh, it's because of the NI we don't hire anyway and in other news have you seen our new billion earnings?".
So, totally aligned with the interests of the rich again.
2)
VAT on private schools. Most private schools have survived (not all), and of course, it means only the rich can afford to have their kids educated, so Tarquin does not have to be challenged by Kevin (whose mum and dad do 4 jobs to send him to the school, not anymore). So, another win for the rich kids over everyone else's kids and also keeps those state schools at 30+ per class, making it harder to get those top grades (not impossible, but harder). The rich love this policy because they can complain about it whilst also directly benefiting from it. Win-Win for the rich.
So, just looking at these so-called loony left policies, which in reality are totally beneficial for the rich, we can deduce that it's not real Labour, it's just ... "Transformer Tories in Disguise".
People roll their eyes at Corbyn, but the disloyalty that you're asking to avoid right now was rampant at the time he was leader and all the way up to the General Election. The membership wanted him, the country needed him, and due to the disloyalty of right-wing Labour MPs (all pre-selected), we ended up with May, Boris, Truss and Sunak. Those Labour right-wing MP's did not support him in an election which Labour could have won. We ended up with the worst Tories for years after that. Thatcherites on steroids.
Oh yeah, and of course, Starmer kicked Corbyn out of the Labour Party, along with Abbott, McDonnell and so on. A purge, Stalin-style, of the left, including blocking Burnham, who isn't even the soft-left as people claim. And now you want the party to come together after they kicked out many MPs? You're taking the piddle.
The reason you have this rift in the party is that the right wing of the Labour Party is splitting, as they feel the real Labour left is no longer a threat and has been dealt with. So, now it's a power grab before they get kicked out.
One side of the right wants Starmer to continue and essentially be the Liberal Party; the other side, with Streeting, wants to tack even harder to the right. So, you see, even the right of the Labour party won't come together. For sure, they are saying to each other, one of them must be the leader to stop what they consider is the Left (which has no one, as Rayner and Burnham are not the left of the Labour party). They will agree on that, but that's it.
So, this is why you won't get them to come together: none of them wants to move towards the left, except for token gestures.
All Starmer had to do was go hard to the left, kick the Green Tanks off his lawn and take on Big Business to get the money for national interests and to turn the country around. He didn't even need to mention closer ties with the EU.
He could have even done something really radical, like saying they will open all the oil wells in the North Sea, but 50% of the profits will go into green, clean energy, so that, long term, it pays for itself as a move towards long-term energy security.
The other 50% will go into paying for everything else.
In one swoop of a policy, he would have brought down energy costs (markets would have reacted immediately), reduced the payments on our Bonds, made the Greens go mad, but totally exposed them as it's actually a Green way forward and funded the Green economy. A way forward: jobs and hope for the future, whilst immediately bringing down costs for small businesses and the working person, as well as pensioners.
But there is a catch: the UK Govt would get ALL the money, not private companies from abroad. Yankee go home.
And Starmer will never do that, as he does not put this country's interests first, only those of Big Business. Streeting is the same. Liz Kendell is a blatant Tory. She is worse than Streeting, she wanted to force unemployed people to work when ill and sick, for nothing wages.
If it carries on like this, I expect the Greens to destroy Labour and take the left of the country with it, which means Labour is gone and probably for good. Yes, Polanski is a useless leader, but even with him, they will gain millions of votes, that's why you should never leave the left. The excuse that if you're too left-wing, you cannot win, even if true, is not viable if you win and do nothing but carry on making the rich richer. Which is what has happened. So, much for cow-towing to the markets, where has that left the country?
Don't cry about the Labour Party right-whingers to us on the left; this was a bed of your own making.
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| The Labour Party on 20:00 - May 14 with 8416 views | baz_qpr |
LB member i.e I pay my subs to have a vote but that's all and I have had a little bit of an inside track over the years, as a family member worked both for Blair pre and post 97 then for Corbyn (now working for Polanski)
So here is the crux, the same issue affects the Tories. The political system we have in this country is designed for two large parties that are broad churches. However the reality is that there are probably 4 or 5 factions in each party that disagree about a lot of things with each other. Only when there is a big and popular character that is able to a) carry the public and b) cherry pick policies from each faction does it hold together and you get a viable government. Without that the factions hate each other more than they hate the opposition, and in the bubble they lose all sense of reality or cohesive vision that whether you have two big broad parties or lots of smaller ones with their own names and leaders you have to build and hold a coalition to be able to govern and that requires compromise.
When you get a tyranny of the minority either within a party or in a government it will fall apart pretty quickly especially if that leader loses popularity.
Ultimately what we have here is that Starmer did not widen his coalition and is not a strong enough character to carry it and communicate it. It creates a vacuum and everyone gets purist rather than being pragmatic.
Burnham is the only really viable option I can see for Labour. Bottom line is the hands are tied of whoever gets in (be it party or individual) because Covid and Ukraine have put us so in debt that the bond markets can put a stranglehold on policy. |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 20:04 - May 14 with 8412 views | LazyFan |
| The Labour Party on 18:55 - May 14 by colinallcars |
I agree, John Smith's death was a huge blow, he would have been great for us. |
Agreed, Blair was never as popular as John Smith.
Check the stats.
And every election after, he lost popularity one after the other. So, it was a law of diminishing returns. It was just that the Tories had been so bad that under Thatcher, even Major, who did try, could not turn it around.
This was when the newspapers lost the country, and the right-wing media started to be disbelieved. After Major, people knew what the papers really stood for.
Every year, Blair lost ground in power until the Labour Party got desperate and tried to do a John Major, switch the leader to win with Brown, and that failed, too.
Blair was never as popular as John Smith, something the Balkrities never admit to.
Remember, Thatcher said Blair was her greatest victory. | |
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| The Labour Party on 20:06 - May 14 with 8393 views | baz_qpr |
| The Labour Party on 19:59 - May 14 by LazyFan |
Let's be clear, this is entirely the fault of the right of the Labour Party, known as the Blairites.
The right wing of the Labour Party has full control; they own the majority of Labour MPs (as they were pre-selected through shortlists, not the constituencies), and have complete NEC control, as we have seen with Burnham being blocked.
As I stated many times in the past, Starmer became the leader of the Labour Party by lying. TFS (Two-Faced Starmer), I called him at the time. And thus it has proven to be totally the case in reality. As in he is TFS. Here is what he said he would do for the Labour Party if elected leader: https://www.clpd.org.uk/wp-con
And he never did it, even though he claimed they were pledges. If he had done even half of that, we would be x10 a better country for it.
All lies by Starmer.
He's in total hock to the corporations. Their minion, which is why he's so robotic. A corporate robot. As they actually like the way things are. all of us scrabbling around ot make ends meet, while they clean up. Fat cats!
Let's look at what the right-wing media press say are loony left policies of Starmerism to show you that they are, in fact, right-wing policies and Starmer really is a Tory like all Blairites.
1)
Increasing employers' NI contributions, which is seemingly anti-business. It is for small businesses, but for BIG Businesses, it puts the small ones out of Business and gives them a nice excuse to sack more people, whilst hoovering up the scraps.
"Oh, it's because of the NI we don't hire anyway and in other news have you seen our new billion earnings?".
So, totally aligned with the interests of the rich again.
2)
VAT on private schools. Most private schools have survived (not all), and of course, it means only the rich can afford to have their kids educated, so Tarquin does not have to be challenged by Kevin (whose mum and dad do 4 jobs to send him to the school, not anymore). So, another win for the rich kids over everyone else's kids and also keeps those state schools at 30+ per class, making it harder to get those top grades (not impossible, but harder). The rich love this policy because they can complain about it whilst also directly benefiting from it. Win-Win for the rich.
So, just looking at these so-called loony left policies, which in reality are totally beneficial for the rich, we can deduce that it's not real Labour, it's just ... "Transformer Tories in Disguise".
People roll their eyes at Corbyn, but the disloyalty that you're asking to avoid right now was rampant at the time he was leader and all the way up to the General Election. The membership wanted him, the country needed him, and due to the disloyalty of right-wing Labour MPs (all pre-selected), we ended up with May, Boris, Truss and Sunak. Those Labour right-wing MP's did not support him in an election which Labour could have won. We ended up with the worst Tories for years after that. Thatcherites on steroids.
Oh yeah, and of course, Starmer kicked Corbyn out of the Labour Party, along with Abbott, McDonnell and so on. A purge, Stalin-style, of the left, including blocking Burnham, who isn't even the soft-left as people claim. And now you want the party to come together after they kicked out many MPs? You're taking the piddle.
The reason you have this rift in the party is that the right wing of the Labour Party is splitting, as they feel the real Labour left is no longer a threat and has been dealt with. So, now it's a power grab before they get kicked out.
One side of the right wants Starmer to continue and essentially be the Liberal Party; the other side, with Streeting, wants to tack even harder to the right. So, you see, even the right of the Labour party won't come together. For sure, they are saying to each other, one of them must be the leader to stop what they consider is the Left (which has no one, as Rayner and Burnham are not the left of the Labour party). They will agree on that, but that's it.
So, this is why you won't get them to come together: none of them wants to move towards the left, except for token gestures.
All Starmer had to do was go hard to the left, kick the Green Tanks off his lawn and take on Big Business to get the money for national interests and to turn the country around. He didn't even need to mention closer ties with the EU.
He could have even done something really radical, like saying they will open all the oil wells in the North Sea, but 50% of the profits will go into green, clean energy, so that, long term, it pays for itself as a move towards long-term energy security.
The other 50% will go into paying for everything else.
In one swoop of a policy, he would have brought down energy costs (markets would have reacted immediately), reduced the payments on our Bonds, made the Greens go mad, but totally exposed them as it's actually a Green way forward and funded the Green economy. A way forward: jobs and hope for the future, whilst immediately bringing down costs for small businesses and the working person, as well as pensioners.
But there is a catch: the UK Govt would get ALL the money, not private companies from abroad. Yankee go home.
And Starmer will never do that, as he does not put this country's interests first, only those of Big Business. Streeting is the same. Liz Kendell is a blatant Tory. She is worse than Streeting, she wanted to force unemployed people to work when ill and sick, for nothing wages.
If it carries on like this, I expect the Greens to destroy Labour and take the left of the country with it, which means Labour is gone and probably for good. Yes, Polanski is a useless leader, but even with him, they will gain millions of votes, that's why you should never leave the left. The excuse that if you're too left-wing, you cannot win, even if true, is not viable if you win and do nothing but carry on making the rich richer. Which is what has happened. So, much for cow-towing to the markets, where has that left the country?
Don't cry about the Labour Party right-whingers to us on the left; this was a bed of your own making.
We are just heating up the Popcorn! |
Exhibit A Your honour. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 20:25 - May 14 with 8360 views | colinallcars |
By coincidence, a clue in today's Times crossword - Blair cracked, boring licentious jokes (8)
Answer - ribaldry.
Easy…. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 20:36 - May 14 with 8323 views | Hooping_Mad |
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| Chairman of the Junior Hoilett appreciation society |
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| The Labour Party on 20:51 - May 14 with 8276 views | tommytanker |
"the adults are back in the room" | | | |
| The Labour Party on 20:59 - May 14 with 8251 views | BklynRanger |
| The Labour Party on 19:37 - May 14 by Devonwhitewhitewhite |
BBC superb North America Editor Sarah Smith is his daughter. Yes a real lost leader. GET YOUR HEART CHECKED OUT!! |
I've learned something there. Had no idea. |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 21:02 - May 14 with 8236 views | daveB |
They've made such a mess of the last 2 years, they have to get a new leader in to stand any chance in the next election. Main thing they need to do is give people a reason to vote which they are a long way from doing at the moment |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 21:08 - May 14 with 8194 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
PIE's very own Baroness Harman. The Fabians always despised the working class.
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| The Labour Party on 21:16 - May 14 with 8152 views | stowmarketrange |
| The Labour Party on 19:59 - May 14 by LazyFan |
Let's be clear, this is entirely the fault of the right of the Labour Party, known as the Blairites.
The right wing of the Labour Party has full control; they own the majority of Labour MPs (as they were pre-selected through shortlists, not the constituencies), and have complete NEC control, as we have seen with Burnham being blocked.
As I stated many times in the past, Starmer became the leader of the Labour Party by lying. TFS (Two-Faced Starmer), I called him at the time. And thus it has proven to be totally the case in reality. As in he is TFS. Here is what he said he would do for the Labour Party if elected leader: https://www.clpd.org.uk/wp-con
And he never did it, even though he claimed they were pledges. If he had done even half of that, we would be x10 a better country for it.
All lies by Starmer.
He's in total hock to the corporations. Their minion, which is why he's so robotic. A corporate robot. As they actually like the way things are. all of us scrabbling around ot make ends meet, while they clean up. Fat cats!
Let's look at what the right-wing media press say are loony left policies of Starmerism to show you that they are, in fact, right-wing policies and Starmer really is a Tory like all Blairites.
1)
Increasing employers' NI contributions, which is seemingly anti-business. It is for small businesses, but for BIG Businesses, it puts the small ones out of Business and gives them a nice excuse to sack more people, whilst hoovering up the scraps.
"Oh, it's because of the NI we don't hire anyway and in other news have you seen our new billion earnings?".
So, totally aligned with the interests of the rich again.
2)
VAT on private schools. Most private schools have survived (not all), and of course, it means only the rich can afford to have their kids educated, so Tarquin does not have to be challenged by Kevin (whose mum and dad do 4 jobs to send him to the school, not anymore). So, another win for the rich kids over everyone else's kids and also keeps those state schools at 30+ per class, making it harder to get those top grades (not impossible, but harder). The rich love this policy because they can complain about it whilst also directly benefiting from it. Win-Win for the rich.
So, just looking at these so-called loony left policies, which in reality are totally beneficial for the rich, we can deduce that it's not real Labour, it's just ... "Transformer Tories in Disguise".
People roll their eyes at Corbyn, but the disloyalty that you're asking to avoid right now was rampant at the time he was leader and all the way up to the General Election. The membership wanted him, the country needed him, and due to the disloyalty of right-wing Labour MPs (all pre-selected), we ended up with May, Boris, Truss and Sunak. Those Labour right-wing MP's did not support him in an election which Labour could have won. We ended up with the worst Tories for years after that. Thatcherites on steroids.
Oh yeah, and of course, Starmer kicked Corbyn out of the Labour Party, along with Abbott, McDonnell and so on. A purge, Stalin-style, of the left, including blocking Burnham, who isn't even the soft-left as people claim. And now you want the party to come together after they kicked out many MPs? You're taking the piddle.
The reason you have this rift in the party is that the right wing of the Labour Party is splitting, as they feel the real Labour left is no longer a threat and has been dealt with. So, now it's a power grab before they get kicked out.
One side of the right wants Starmer to continue and essentially be the Liberal Party; the other side, with Streeting, wants to tack even harder to the right. So, you see, even the right of the Labour party won't come together. For sure, they are saying to each other, one of them must be the leader to stop what they consider is the Left (which has no one, as Rayner and Burnham are not the left of the Labour party). They will agree on that, but that's it.
So, this is why you won't get them to come together: none of them wants to move towards the left, except for token gestures.
All Starmer had to do was go hard to the left, kick the Green Tanks off his lawn and take on Big Business to get the money for national interests and to turn the country around. He didn't even need to mention closer ties with the EU.
He could have even done something really radical, like saying they will open all the oil wells in the North Sea, but 50% of the profits will go into green, clean energy, so that, long term, it pays for itself as a move towards long-term energy security.
The other 50% will go into paying for everything else.
In one swoop of a policy, he would have brought down energy costs (markets would have reacted immediately), reduced the payments on our Bonds, made the Greens go mad, but totally exposed them as it's actually a Green way forward and funded the Green economy. A way forward: jobs and hope for the future, whilst immediately bringing down costs for small businesses and the working person, as well as pensioners.
But there is a catch: the UK Govt would get ALL the money, not private companies from abroad. Yankee go home.
And Starmer will never do that, as he does not put this country's interests first, only those of Big Business. Streeting is the same. Liz Kendell is a blatant Tory. She is worse than Streeting, she wanted to force unemployed people to work when ill and sick, for nothing wages.
If it carries on like this, I expect the Greens to destroy Labour and take the left of the country with it, which means Labour is gone and probably for good. Yes, Polanski is a useless leader, but even with him, they will gain millions of votes, that's why you should never leave the left. The excuse that if you're too left-wing, you cannot win, even if true, is not viable if you win and do nothing but carry on making the rich richer. Which is what has happened. So, much for cow-towing to the markets, where has that left the country?
Don't cry about the Labour Party right-whingers to us on the left; this was a bed of your own making.
We are just heating up the Popcorn! |
I actually joined the Labour Party under Corbyn,as did 1,000’s of others because we thought that for the 1st time in years we might get a Labour Party that might change things for the better.
Unfortunately I don’t think that there enough socialists left in the country to elect a leftist Labour Party any more.This is what we’re left with. |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 21:24 - May 14 with 8101 views | HAYESBOY |
As a Labour supporter I could take him or leave him.
IMO though the vitriol he gets is way over the top. Feel a bit sorry for him.
Trouble is, the good things they have done like free 30hrs of child care weekly, renters rights, min wage increases, not pandering to Trump and waiting lists coming down don't get the headlines.
Think he has a week left with Streeting and Burnham making their moves. |  |
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| The Labour Party on 21:37 - May 14 with 8064 views | NorrisGreen |
Its 7 PMs in 10yrs now isn't it? Reckon a QPR manager has more job security than the PM nowadays.
Personally, I feel there should be a general election if the PM who won an election gets launched - doesn't sit right with me having a PM who hasn't got a personal mandate from the electorate. | | | |
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