| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr 20:36 - Jun 9 with 5244 views | ytt28 |
In six months he will have been at club three years. |  | | |  |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 22:12 - Jun 9 with 4293 views | charmr |
Turning/turned Rangers into a corporate organization of beige thinking.
Identity, creativity, originality all dark forces in that world. | | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 23:18 - Jun 9 with 4186 views | numptydumpty |
One thing you could say there has certainly been a lot of change.
I think there is promise. But its a tough gig for anyone.
We have on average been having the same season over and over again. Us, Preston and Bristol City are the perennial championship mid to lower table dwellers.
i do give Christian one thing, he certainly is a trier.
Some good, some not so.
Five words that sum up a QPR supporters life ad infinitum.. |  |
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 23:18 - Jun 9 with 4185 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 22:12 - Jun 9 by charmr |
Turning/turned Rangers into a corporate organization of beige thinking.
Identity, creativity, originality all dark forces in that world. |
Not a fan, but I think his aims are correct. |  | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 23:47 - Jun 9 with 4139 views | Myke |
Maybe re-ask the question at Christmas? | | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 06:07 - Jun 10 with 3976 views | rbee |
Not really as it takes some of his signings a season to get up to speed. |  | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 07:28 - Jun 10 with 3887 views | Dorse |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 06:07 - Jun 10 by rbee |
Not really as it takes some of his signings a season to get up to speed. |
Or, in the case of Obikwu, to exist. |  |
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 12:46 - Jun 10 with 3651 views | bullshootr |
Little bit hasty.
Tango & Cash got four years for their plan
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 12:47 - Jun 10 with 3648 views | kensalriser |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 07:28 - Jun 10 by Dorse |
Or, in the case of Obikwu, to exist. |
Obik who? |  |
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 12:52 - Jun 10 with 3635 views | Hunterhoop |
I promise not to comment any more, but, for clarity:
He has been CEO for 2.5 yrs, but he has been at the club for 3.5 years. As per the club’s own statement, he had been working in an advisory capacity carrying out an audit on the club for a full year prior to be appointed as CEO in Jan 2024. His company were leading all non-playing side recruitment at the club for that year (including the recruitment of Ben Williams). Ferdinand left the club in mid-June 2023.
Been at the club in a dedicated capacity for 3.5 years. Very likely had significant influence for at least 3 years when Les went.
As for judging, I’ll leave that for others. But it would be wrong to think he walked through the door for the first time when appointed in Jan 2024. |  | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 15:15 - Jun 10 with 3444 views | KensalT |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 12:52 - Jun 10 by Hunterhoop |
I promise not to comment any more, but, for clarity:
He has been CEO for 2.5 yrs, but he has been at the club for 3.5 years. As per the club’s own statement, he had been working in an advisory capacity carrying out an audit on the club for a full year prior to be appointed as CEO in Jan 2024. His company were leading all non-playing side recruitment at the club for that year (including the recruitment of Ben Williams). Ferdinand left the club in mid-June 2023.
Been at the club in a dedicated capacity for 3.5 years. Very likely had significant influence for at least 3 years when Les went.
As for judging, I’ll leave that for others. But it would be wrong to think he walked through the door for the first time when appointed in Jan 2024. |
Sorry Hunter, I agree with you on most things but I'm going to disagree with you here.
Nourry first came to QPR as some type of consultant. I have no idea how he wrangled that into the CEO job but it was a very different role he had at first with significantly less power.
He should be judged on what he achieves (or doesn't achieve) as CEO.
Ray Wilkins had a great playing career with us, but his stint as manager was a lot less successful, got us relegated and we made a poor start the following season.
We didn't give him a second chance as manager simply because he had been such a great player for us before that. [Post edited 10 Jun 15:16]
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 15:17 - Jun 10 with 3428 views | TheChef |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 15:15 - Jun 10 by KensalT |
Sorry Hunter, I agree with you on most things but I'm going to disagree with you here.
Nourry first came to QPR as some type of consultant. I have no idea how he wrangled that into the CEO job but it was a very different role he had at first with significantly less power.
He should be judged on what he achieves (or doesn't achieve) as CEO.
Ray Wilkins had a great playing career with us, but his stint as manager was a lot less successful, got us relegated and we made a poor start the following season.
We didn't give him a second chance as manager simply because he had been such a great player for us before that. [Post edited 10 Jun 15:16]
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Yes I thought he was hired by the club/Hoos as a consultant to find a new CEO?
After some time it seems he couldn't find a suitable candidate, but suggested he could take on the job. Hoos clearly was looking for a way out of the role and was happy to say yes!
And here we are... |  |
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 15:23 - Jun 10 with 3406 views | Match82 |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 15:17 - Jun 10 by TheChef |
Yes I thought he was hired by the club/Hoos as a consultant to find a new CEO?
After some time it seems he couldn't find a suitable candidate, but suggested he could take on the job. Hoos clearly was looking for a way out of the role and was happy to say yes!
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True or not this is the story I like to believe because it's so utterly ridiculous and if it's even close to true then the story itself tells you why he's wrong for the job.
If Microsoft or whoever hired a consultancy firm and that firm came back with "turns out there's nobody at all qualified out there, you should just make someone from this firm CEO" then they would a) be laughed out of the room b) not be paid because they haven't done their job c) not get hired again by any self respecting company |  | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 16:20 - Jun 10 with 3354 views | themodfather |
for all the issues at QPRFC if we have owners willing to bail us out a million quid, at least, a month, then carry on.
that is serious dough and without such owners we will be donald ducked . | | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 17:00 - Jun 10 with 3283 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
A very big season for him. You'd hope he is learning but the proof will be in the pudding.
If, as looks likely, he is putting all his chips on Ben Williams, then another season with a disproportionate number of injuries undermines Nourry and his model.
Similarly, you'd hope he has learnt from the Plymouth debacle and we actually try and have a cup run, rather than use the cup as a gimmick. | | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 17:23 - Jun 10 with 3267 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 15:23 - Jun 10 by Match82 |
True or not this is the story I like to believe because it's so utterly ridiculous and if it's even close to true then the story itself tells you why he's wrong for the job.
If Microsoft or whoever hired a consultancy firm and that firm came back with "turns out there's nobody at all qualified out there, you should just make someone from this firm CEO" then they would a) be laughed out of the room b) not be paid because they haven't done their job c) not get hired again by any self respecting company |
I don't think this is as weird as you think.
I was working for a large blue chip company once, who used a consultant for some restructuring. Then afterwards one of the consultants became a COO or something else high up.
Its probably quite common, and almost seen as a long job interview by the board probably.
-- Bring someone external in with different ideas, try a few of them out, if it works keep them around, but offer them a proper job so you aren't paying through the nose for the consultation fee.
In fact, I've seen a few project managers hired in the same way, so maybe it is the way some businesses work? |  | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 20:45 - Jun 10 with 3134 views | Hunterhoop |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 15:15 - Jun 10 by KensalT |
Sorry Hunter, I agree with you on most things but I'm going to disagree with you here.
Nourry first came to QPR as some type of consultant. I have no idea how he wrangled that into the CEO job but it was a very different role he had at first with significantly less power.
He should be judged on what he achieves (or doesn't achieve) as CEO.
Ray Wilkins had a great playing career with us, but his stint as manager was a lot less successful, got us relegated and we made a poor start the following season.
We didn't give him a second chance as manager simply because he had been such a great player for us before that. [Post edited 10 Jun 15:16]
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Perfectly reasonable.
However, I think you’ve missed the point I was trying to make.
Most CEOs and senior executives, when they step into their role at a new company spend their first 6-12 months getting to grips with the business: understanding the issues, the people, the history, how things work, who to rate, who to remove, what’s been tried and failed before, what hasn’t, etc, etc. C-suite talks of 90 day plans when entering a new role, but to really understand a business and for them to really be able to perform the role fully, take strategic control of the business, and start implementing change and new initiatives, which impact performance, it is at least 6 months but often more like 12 months (certainly to start seeing results).
So that needs to be factored in when judging CEOs.
Except in Christian Nourry’s case, he’d spent a year as a consultant for Retexo inside the business, dedicated to QPR as a client, leading our non-playing side recruitment and undertaking a full audit of the club (non-playing and playing side of the club), as the club have told us. He had the chance to do all those things above, which a CEO usually has to spend time working out in their first 6-12 months, in that year before he was appointed CEO.
Part of the whole benefit of hiring former consultants of your business into your business is that they know it already, they can hit the ground running.
I think this context is very relevant to the thread and any “judgement” of his performance of a CEO.
On the story about being asked to find a new CEO and “finding” himself, worth flagging that recruitment firms typically have a pretty significant fee for finding senior exes for businesses who are appointed into roles. I would expect Retexo were/are no different (welcome to be corrected on that). [Post edited 10 Jun 21:21]
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 20:57 - Jun 10 with 3102 views | KensalT |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 20:45 - Jun 10 by Hunterhoop |
Perfectly reasonable.
However, I think you’ve missed the point I was trying to make.
Most CEOs and senior executives, when they step into their role at a new company spend their first 6-12 months getting to grips with the business: understanding the issues, the people, the history, how things work, who to rate, who to remove, what’s been tried and failed before, what hasn’t, etc, etc. C-suite talks of 90 day plans when entering a new role, but to really understand a business and for them to really be able to perform the role fully, take strategic control of the business, and start implementing change and new initiatives, which impact performance, it is at least 6 months but often more like 12 months (certainly to start seeing results).
So that needs to be factored in when judging CEOs.
Except in Christian Nourry’s case, he’d spent a year as a consultant for Retexo inside the business, dedicated to QPR as a client, leading our non-playing side recruitment and undertaking a full audit of the club (non-playing and playing side of the club), as the club have told us. He had the chance to do all those things above, which a CEO usually has to spend time working out in their first 6-12 months, in that year before he was appointed CEO.
Part of the whole benefit of hiring former consultants of your business into your business is that they know it already, they can hit the ground running.
I think this context is very relevant to the thread and any “judgement” of his performance of a CEO.
On the story about being asked to find a new CEO and “finding” himself, worth flagging that recruitment firms typically have a pretty significant fee for finding senior exes for businesses who are appointed into roles. I would expect Retexo were/are no different (welcome to be corrected on that). [Post edited 10 Jun 21:21]
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Fair enough.
You make a lot of really strong points there. | | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 22:37 - Jun 10 with 2971 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Can I just say, without any rancour or hostility, that three years is more than enough to judge him as our CEO.
I think he has split the club in a way that no-one has for decades.
I doubt that he will recover from that, and I fear that it will take the club some time too. |  |
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 00:24 - Jun 11 with 2856 views | Stainrod |
Really don’t understand what can only be described (from some) as venom towards him.
Cant we accept - as at the top of most organisations - it s a mixed record?
Results wise it remains (in its mediocrity) pretty similar to the Les era.
And in terms of club “size” (subjective I appreciate), budget etc we are about where we should be.
I am as frustrated as most fans with the Williams fitness regime as injuries prevented what probably would have been a decent if not spectacular season.
I also accept that for his model to be said to be working he needs either one major or about three at least serious sales over the next 12 months. It is not obvious where they are at the moment. The likes of Poku, Dembele and Saito all look poor signings SO FAR.
But there are also positives. We are building a team of our own young players. Does anyone really want to go back to signing Andre Grey loan types or suspect old war horses like Odubajo?
As Clive remarked in his feature on our strikers, when did QPR last sign two forwards in one year with the goal potential of the two we signed last year?
For the first time since our relegation there at least seems to be a plan. Not everyone likes that plan and it has, on occasion, been imperfectly implemented. But I have yet to read anyone suggesting a convincing alternative strategy.
If we did replace Nourry for me it would be with someone trying the same strategy, only potentially better at it. I don’t think another classic QPR convulsion (the CEO equivalent of Gareth Ainsworth replacing a more progressive manager) would be in any way helpful. Being frustrated is not in itself a strategy.
I was struck by the stat that if we had a goalkeeper who saved an average number of shots we would have conceded something like 8 or 10 goals less. That and the hope (prayer?) that we don’t suffer as many injuries next season suggests to me that we are only those notorious “fine margins” from being much more competitive next season.
But then 15/20 Championship clubs probably feel the same… | | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 07:32 - Jun 11 with 2674 views | stevec |
Les had eight years and the dial didn’t move, think this fella deserves better than being judged on three.
Big season coming up for him, woefully short of experienced players, he has to get that right by August. |  | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 08:09 - Jun 11 with 2638 views | Hunterhoop |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 07:32 - Jun 11 by stevec |
Les had eight years and the dial didn’t move, think this fella deserves better than being judged on three.
Big season coming up for him, woefully short of experienced players, he has to get that right by August. |
Yeah, this year is the key year. We need to be top 8 or see some hefty sales to swell the coffers and allow suitable reinvestment to improve the squad for progress the following year. Both are very possible, IMO.
On Les, it’s an unfair comparison. Les wasn’t walking into a situation where he could invest in the football team. He had to reduce the wage bill for £70m to £17m over 4 years, cutting costs from the playing side year on year, until the Warburton gamble season. After that, agree, he and Hoos lost their way. And also, Eze was a product of Les’ leadership (Ramsey mainly). He has funded the club twice now. Nourry would not have been able to sign Edwards and Saito without the second batch of Eze money. In 2 and a half summers (to date), we haven’t yet sold anyone for anything close to Eze money. [Post edited 11 Jun 8:15]
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 09:10 - Jun 11 with 2553 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 07:32 - Jun 11 by stevec |
Les had eight years and the dial didn’t move, think this fella deserves better than being judged on three.
Big season coming up for him, woefully short of experienced players, he has to get that right by August. |
Dial moved massively, in terms of financial sustainability which I know you are a fan of Steve.
Didn't he remove £60m of wages without getting us relegated. That's impressive.
Edit: Sorry didn't see Hunter's post. [Post edited 11 Jun 9:11]
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 09:15 - Jun 11 with 2516 views | loftboy |
Don’t trust him, I have no logic or rhyme or reason not to, just gut instinct. |  |
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| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 09:50 - Jun 11 with 2456 views | oldchap |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 00:24 - Jun 11 by Stainrod |
Really don’t understand what can only be described (from some) as venom towards him.
Cant we accept - as at the top of most organisations - it s a mixed record?
Results wise it remains (in its mediocrity) pretty similar to the Les era.
And in terms of club “size” (subjective I appreciate), budget etc we are about where we should be.
I am as frustrated as most fans with the Williams fitness regime as injuries prevented what probably would have been a decent if not spectacular season.
I also accept that for his model to be said to be working he needs either one major or about three at least serious sales over the next 12 months. It is not obvious where they are at the moment. The likes of Poku, Dembele and Saito all look poor signings SO FAR.
But there are also positives. We are building a team of our own young players. Does anyone really want to go back to signing Andre Grey loan types or suspect old war horses like Odubajo?
As Clive remarked in his feature on our strikers, when did QPR last sign two forwards in one year with the goal potential of the two we signed last year?
For the first time since our relegation there at least seems to be a plan. Not everyone likes that plan and it has, on occasion, been imperfectly implemented. But I have yet to read anyone suggesting a convincing alternative strategy.
If we did replace Nourry for me it would be with someone trying the same strategy, only potentially better at it. I don’t think another classic QPR convulsion (the CEO equivalent of Gareth Ainsworth replacing a more progressive manager) would be in any way helpful. Being frustrated is not in itself a strategy.
I was struck by the stat that if we had a goalkeeper who saved an average number of shots we would have conceded something like 8 or 10 goals less. That and the hope (prayer?) that we don’t suffer as many injuries next season suggests to me that we are only those notorious “fine margins” from being much more competitive next season.
But then 15/20 Championship clubs probably feel the same… |
No one should be subject of unpleasant personal comments. However. there has been a lot of messaging that does not reflect the lived experience of fans and a rise in odd stuff on this message board at certain points. Given past events it is not surprising that people get the hump at the hype.
It is right that supporters should be realistic but for anyone who watched the great teams of the past knows that hope is a wonderful thing when watching your team play.
A small club in size of stadium and fanbase has always had a big heart and close bond with its fans.
Whether imagined or real there is a need to feel a connection with the people in charge, lose that connection and you lose something special.
If you have a full 60,000 stadium with Premiership funding streams then you can afford to be indifferent towards the fanbase, treat them as consumers and spout corporate jargon with little real world impact. For clubs like QPR, that is not an effective model.
The reality is that the fundamentals have not changed in terms of league position, the consistency of performance, any form of playing 'identity' or any coherent strategy that I can see in terms of recruitment.
I am unclear whether the overall strategy is to build a team that can challenge for promotion or a staging post to develop and sell on players to try and become profitable, or both? Maybe it is all three, staging post, then profitable, then challenge? If the latter then this is a long process and after three years there are not many green shoots.
As others have said, I think the next season is a critical one, if all of these recent signings improve in a similar fashion to Madsen then through sales and an improvement in league position the picture will look very positive.
My niggling worry is a vibe of hype over substance. I genuinely hope those feelings are misplaced and this is the season when we can feel and touch real progress on and off the pitch. One measure (for me) will be to see more effort to reconnecting with the people who have so much passion for the club | | | |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 09:50 - Jun 11 with 2455 views | TK1 |
| Is 3 years a fair amount of time to judge Christian Nourry as ceo of qpr on 08:09 - Jun 11 by Hunterhoop |
Yeah, this year is the key year. We need to be top 8 or see some hefty sales to swell the coffers and allow suitable reinvestment to improve the squad for progress the following year. Both are very possible, IMO.
On Les, it’s an unfair comparison. Les wasn’t walking into a situation where he could invest in the football team. He had to reduce the wage bill for £70m to £17m over 4 years, cutting costs from the playing side year on year, until the Warburton gamble season. After that, agree, he and Hoos lost their way. And also, Eze was a product of Les’ leadership (Ramsey mainly). He has funded the club twice now. Nourry would not have been able to sign Edwards and Saito without the second batch of Eze money. In 2 and a half summers (to date), we haven’t yet sold anyone for anything close to Eze money. [Post edited 11 Jun 8:15]
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100% agree with this.
Les's starting circumstances were totally different, far more trying and restricted, and as well as managing the playing budget and squad reduction etc, LF also had to manage upwards in dealing initially with the noisy clown car ego of Tony Fernandes. I'm sure being the human shield for the current board is not always plain sailing, but Nourry has it a lot easier on every front. The daily infrastructure, for one, is unrecognisable from Les's first day. Staff were apparently in bits when Les said his farewells...let's see if that's repeated when Nourry one day moves on.
However, while no fan of his Roman emperor leadership style, Nourry definitely needs another season to be judged and agree with Hunter's criteria. Sporting leadership tends to revolve in four-to-five year cycles (as can be judged by England cricket setup currently), so he's got another year to make tangible progress. | | | |
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