| Thatcher dead 12:56 - Apr 8 with 82538 views | six_foot_two |
Skynews are are saying Magaret Thatcher has died of a stroke |  | | |  |
| Thatcher dead on 11:13 - Apr 13 with 1610 views | jc_hoops |
| Thatcher dead on 00:08 - Apr 13 by Cliff |
Brilliant, how do the Thatcher supporters on here feel about being sharing common philosophical outlooks with the hardcore Millwall thugs?
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fuking great, wished I could be there to join them |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 11:34 - Apr 13 with 1586 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Thatcher dead on 11:03 - Apr 13 by swisscottage |
The British Public legitimized the prime minister ship of Margaret Thatcher by voting her in three times. If the majority had wanted her out so badly they would have voted tactically to get her out rather than splitting their vote across completely noneffective opposition parties.
Whether it was Thatcher or one of the other parties, the mines would have shut, and those areas would have been devastated anyway, it would just have been accomplished in a more sensitive manner whilst pandering to trade unions who held the power. Whether financially the result would have been any different is pure speculation.
The country was on a downward spiral when she came in. Years of ineffectual leadership completely unable to deal with the Monster of the Trade Unions had reduced this country to a laughing stock where manufacturing output was on the decline anyway simply because of the number of man days wasted on the picket line.
Whether she had a positive effect or negative effect is down to divided opinion, however the only people with valid alternatives to what she did weren't the opposition parties at the time otherwise the British Public would have voted them in. It appears the only people with alternative solutions are sitting on 20 years worth of 20-20 hindsight. |
I'm not going to argue with any of that.
You missed the point. She divided the country (to argumentable costs/effects; and you have to concede that, since you wish to argue this in spite of obvious opposition).
The point is, she wasn't Churchill, she wasn't within cooee of Churchill. |  |
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| Thatcher dead on 11:46 - Apr 13 with 1566 views | TacticalR |
I think there *is* a parallel with Churchill. Both leaders thrived on crisis.
Both failed in their ultimate goal. Churchill failed in his goal of preserving the British Empire. Thatcher failed in her goal of reviving the British economy. |  |
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| Thatcher dead on 11:57 - Apr 13 with 1552 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Thatcher dead on 11:46 - Apr 13 by TacticalR |
I think there *is* a parallel with Churchill. Both leaders thrived on crisis.
Both failed in their ultimate goal. Churchill failed in his goal of preserving the British Empire. Thatcher failed in her goal of reviving the British economy. |
You'd have to concede that overwhelmingly preserving a free Britain was above preserving the British Empire and he succeeded with that.
As for Thatcher reviving the British economy, it 'happened', you just have to argue over cause-and-effect/ cost-and-benefit. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 12:03 - Apr 13 with 1547 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Thatcher dead on 00:08 - Apr 13 by Cliff |
Brilliant, how do the Thatcher supporters on here feel about being sharing common philosophical outlooks with the hardcore Millwall thugs?
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God help those middle class leftie protestors if Millwall lose.
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| Thatcher dead on 12:06 - Apr 13 with 1542 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Thatcher dead on 12:03 - Apr 13 by SpiritofGregory |
God help those middle class leftie protestors if Millwall lose.
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At least we will be spared from your posts while you will be out fighting the Anti-Thatcherists? | |
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| Thatcher dead on 12:32 - Apr 13 with 1509 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Thatcher dead on 11:46 - Apr 13 by TacticalR |
I think there *is* a parallel with Churchill. Both leaders thrived on crisis.
Both failed in their ultimate goal. Churchill failed in his goal of preserving the British Empire. Thatcher failed in her goal of reviving the British economy. |
Any comment? | |
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| Thatcher dead on 12:46 - Apr 13 with 1502 views | isawqpratwcity |
Jeez, TR, I always admired your posts. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 12:49 - Apr 13 with 1498 views | andygg |
Thatcher was just a self important, patronising kunt. She didnt give a feck for the masses. Good riddance, and as for a minutes silence, dont make me laugh. |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 12:49 - Apr 13 with 1495 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Thatcher dead on 12:06 - Apr 13 by isawqpratwcity |
At least we will be spared from your posts while you will be out fighting the Anti-Thatcherists? |
"The anti-thatcherists" how laughable is that, people who are angry at current government policy, blaming someone who was in power 20-30 years ago. Haven't they realised that there has been a Labour government since who screwed up the economy? Has no one told them about the mess the country was in prior to Thatcher taking over - not even the dead were being buried.. They remind me of QPR fans who even though the club has messed up big time, the fans blame others such as Tango & Cash, referees, FA, bad luck, fate etc,
I guarantee that a huge precentage of those protesting are from middle class backgrounds. They've had the benefit of growing up in decent housing and having a decent education - no gangs, drugs and high unemployment on their street corners yet they will protest to give themselves a social conscious.
Wouldn't their free time be better served by helping those who are less fortunate? eg Lobbying councils who are planning to shut down youth centres or assisting at after school clubs. No, they are not interested in doing something meaningful and constructive for society.
All we need now is the father of Champagne Socialism Billy Bragg, to strum a few out of tune notes on his guitar before fleeing back to the comfort of his private estate in the Devon countryside.
As for me fighting the so called Anti-Thatcherists, I don't believe in violence and protests which are a waste of time. Trafalgar Square should be cordoned off for the day.
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| Thatcher dead on 12:55 - Apr 13 with 1481 views | Cliff |
| Thatcher dead on 12:49 - Apr 13 by SpiritofGregory |
"The anti-thatcherists" how laughable is that, people who are angry at current government policy, blaming someone who was in power 20-30 years ago. Haven't they realised that there has been a Labour government since who screwed up the economy? Has no one told them about the mess the country was in prior to Thatcher taking over - not even the dead were being buried.. They remind me of QPR fans who even though the club has messed up big time, the fans blame others such as Tango & Cash, referees, FA, bad luck, fate etc,
I guarantee that a huge precentage of those protesting are from middle class backgrounds. They've had the benefit of growing up in decent housing and having a decent education - no gangs, drugs and high unemployment on their street corners yet they will protest to give themselves a social conscious.
Wouldn't their free time be better served by helping those who are less fortunate? eg Lobbying councils who are planning to shut down youth centres or assisting at after school clubs. No, they are not interested in doing something meaningful and constructive for society.
All we need now is the father of Champagne Socialism Billy Bragg, to strum a few out of tune notes on his guitar before fleeing back to the comfort of his private estate in the Devon countryside.
As for me fighting the so called Anti-Thatcherists, I don't believe in violence and protests which are a waste of time. Trafalgar Square should be cordoned off for the day.
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"Wouldn't their free time be better served by helping those who are less fortunate? eg Lobbying councils who are planning to shut down youth centres or assisting at after school clubs. No, they are not interested in doing something meaningful and constructive for society. "
Of course it would, and a lot of them have, but everyone deserves a day off every now and then, and nobody in their right mind should object to taking a Saturday afternoon off to celebrate the such a joyous event as the death of a despot |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 13:04 - Apr 13 with 1473 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Thatcher dead on 12:49 - Apr 13 by SpiritofGregory |
"The anti-thatcherists" how laughable is that, people who are angry at current government policy, blaming someone who was in power 20-30 years ago. Haven't they realised that there has been a Labour government since who screwed up the economy? Has no one told them about the mess the country was in prior to Thatcher taking over - not even the dead were being buried.. They remind me of QPR fans who even though the club has messed up big time, the fans blame others such as Tango & Cash, referees, FA, bad luck, fate etc,
I guarantee that a huge precentage of those protesting are from middle class backgrounds. They've had the benefit of growing up in decent housing and having a decent education - no gangs, drugs and high unemployment on their street corners yet they will protest to give themselves a social conscious.
Wouldn't their free time be better served by helping those who are less fortunate? eg Lobbying councils who are planning to shut down youth centres or assisting at after school clubs. No, they are not interested in doing something meaningful and constructive for society.
All we need now is the father of Champagne Socialism Billy Bragg, to strum a few out of tune notes on his guitar before fleeing back to the comfort of his private estate in the Devon countryside.
As for me fighting the so called Anti-Thatcherists, I don't believe in violence and protests which are a waste of time. Trafalgar Square should be cordoned off for the day.
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Actually, I was just looking forward to being spared from your posts.
Really, I blame T&C for so much of our predicament. We went into a stupid 'who can we get at short notice to bolster our squad?' predicament, and that continued with Hughes. He failed to set up a decent squad before the season start this seaswon and that is why we are where we are now. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 13:05 - Apr 13 with 1466 views | isawqpratwcity |
But we are getting off the "Ding dong, the witch is dead" thread. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 13:08 - Apr 13 with 1462 views | TacticalR |
SpiritofGregory has a way with words, you can't deny that. 
I am not sure if Bragg *is* a Socialist (he might be). I think his main thing is getting back to 1945 when 'we were all in it together', and as far as he is concerned the Tories have wrecked all that. Therefore he wants to keep the Tories out of power at any price (e.g. a more moderate pro-capitalist party would do the trick).
You can see how this obsession has driven him round the bend from this clip he made during the public sector workers strikes in 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16001833 (about 3 minutes long)
He comes to the deranged conclusion that the Liberals are going to rebel against the Tories (he calls their alliance 'the cardboard coalition') and thus 'save' the public sector workers. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 13:17 - Apr 13 with 1436 views | TacticalR |
| Thatcher dead on 11:57 - Apr 13 by isawqpratwcity |
You'd have to concede that overwhelmingly preserving a free Britain was above preserving the British Empire and he succeeded with that.
As for Thatcher reviving the British economy, it 'happened', you just have to argue over cause-and-effect/ cost-and-benefit. |
While Thatcher was in office the trade deficit went from £549 million to £19 billion.
On Churchill, all I was really saying was that Churchill didn't achieve his fundamental goal. Britain was stripped of Empire and leadership passed to America. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 13:19 - Apr 13 with 1431 views | Cliff |
"They remind me of QPR fans who even though the club has messed up big time, the fans blame others such as Tango & Cash, referees, FA, bad luck, fate etc, "
Errr so who should they blame? - you seem to suggest that they can't blame others and so should blame themselves, i e. the fans are to blame for what you call the club having messed up big time. How exaclty? | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 13:28 - Apr 13 with 1420 views | TheBlob |
| Thatcher dead on 13:17 - Apr 13 by TacticalR |
While Thatcher was in office the trade deficit went from £549 million to £19 billion.
On Churchill, all I was really saying was that Churchill didn't achieve his fundamental goal. Britain was stripped of Empire and leadership passed to America. |
The Americans deliberately destroyed the British Empire.Too much of a threat. |  |
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| Thatcher dead on 13:30 - Apr 13 with 1414 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Thatcher dead on 13:17 - Apr 13 by TacticalR |
While Thatcher was in office the trade deficit went from £549 million to £19 billion.
On Churchill, all I was really saying was that Churchill didn't achieve his fundamental goal. Britain was stripped of Empire and leadership passed to America. |
Jeez, TR, I didn't realise how blind you were. He ultimately wanted to win that war, and he was prepared to indicate to countries like Australia that their war wasn't a priority. He did that and was absolutely right to do so. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 13:46 - Apr 13 with 1398 views | TacticalR |
| Thatcher dead on 13:30 - Apr 13 by isawqpratwcity |
Jeez, TR, I didn't realise how blind you were. He ultimately wanted to win that war, and he was prepared to indicate to countries like Australia that their war wasn't a priority. He did that and was absolutely right to do so. |
You'd be surprised by how blind I can be . I wasn't saying that Churchill didn't have good reason to do what he did, or that he could have done anything else (except surrender of course). I am just saying that he didn't achieve his ultimate goal.
I would say that Australia did remain part of the British Empire (tastefully rebranded as 'The Commonwealth'). (On a separate note, I had a very unhealthy fascination with the Commonwealth Institute as a child). | |
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| Thatcher dead on 14:02 - Apr 13 with 1389 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Thatcher dead on 13:46 - Apr 13 by TacticalR |
You'd be surprised by how blind I can be . I wasn't saying that Churchill didn't have good reason to do what he did, or that he could have done anything else (except surrender of course). I am just saying that he didn't achieve his ultimate goal.
I would say that Australia did remain part of the British Empire (tastefully rebranded as 'The Commonwealth'). (On a separate note, I had a very unhealthy fascination with the Commonwealth Institute as a child). |
And I'm just saying that WS was ten times, no, one hundred times, the leader that MT was.
Stop being this about she how a leader she was.
She was a c*nt. End of. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 14:02 - Apr 13 with 1388 views | NW5Hoop |
| Thatcher dead on 13:28 - Apr 13 by TheBlob |
The Americans deliberately destroyed the British Empire.Too much of a threat. |
What? They started the second world war, to deplete British resources, meaning running an empire would be beyond our postwar means? And they'd spent decades fomenting unrest in the British dominions, encouraging people to question the idea of being ruled by an alien race from several thousands miles away? I don't think the people in the Empire needed any help from the Americans to want self-determination. |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 14:05 - Apr 13 with 1381 views | NW5Hoop |
| Thatcher dead on 14:02 - Apr 13 by isawqpratwcity |
And I'm just saying that WS was ten times, no, one hundred times, the leader that MT was.
Stop being this about she how a leader she was.
She was a c*nt. End of. |
Though it tends to get forgotten that Churchill was a disaster at more or less everything he did politically apart from the 40-45 premiership (one of the worst peacetime PMs ever). Fortunately, the one thing he was good at was precisely what Britain needed at the time. | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 14:12 - Apr 13 with 1374 views | TheBlob |
| Thatcher dead on 14:02 - Apr 13 by NW5Hoop |
What? They started the second world war, to deplete British resources, meaning running an empire would be beyond our postwar means? And they'd spent decades fomenting unrest in the British dominions, encouraging people to question the idea of being ruled by an alien race from several thousands miles away? I don't think the people in the Empire needed any help from the Americans to want self-determination. |
Eh?Starting WW2 to deplete Britain?So where does Hitler and Japan come into it?
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| Thatcher dead on 14:16 - Apr 13 with 1372 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Thatcher dead on 14:05 - Apr 13 by NW5Hoop |
Though it tends to get forgotten that Churchill was a disaster at more or less everything he did politically apart from the 40-45 premiership (one of the worst peacetime PMs ever). Fortunately, the one thing he was good at was precisely what Britain needed at the time. |
No argument. Absolutely no reason in the whole wide world he should be compared with the egregious Thatcher.
She only demeans Churchill by her comparison. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 14:26 - Apr 13 with 1361 views | isawqpratwcity |
Getting near the end of the thread? Ok, can I say how much I loathe the bitch?
Yes? No?
F*ck the c*nt. | |
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