| Am I the only one ... 17:15 - Jan 10 with 4401 views | DylanP |
.. who is sick of the lone striker up front formation? It seems to be the new "written in stone rule" of QPR football formation? I find myself longing for the combination play between two actual strikers; rather than long distance hit-and-hopes and headers from CBs. |  |
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| Am I the only one ... on 17:18 - Jan 10 with 2868 views | QPRDave |
I would love to see two strikers too.
Mind you they wouldn't get any service [Post edited 10 Jan 2016 17:19]
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| Am I the only one ... on 17:19 - Jan 10 with 2863 views | DeepcutHoop |
We've not had enough strikers in the last few years to play with two up front, at least not with any support or back up. |  | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 17:23 - Jan 10 with 2839 views | DylanP |
| Am I the only one ... on 17:19 - Jan 10 by DeepcutHoop |
We've not had enough strikers in the last few years to play with two up front, at least not with any support or back up. |
We have at least 4 at the club now -- Charlie, JET, Polter, Blackwood, Mackie, and Grecko-Cox come to mind | |
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| Am I the only one ... on 17:24 - Jan 10 with 2839 views | Neil_SI |
It's certainly a formation that has dramatically changed the way football is played in this country at the highest level, and I'm not always sure it's for the better myself. But I can understand why and think it's related to the way fitness has changed for the better over the years, which makes it a risk if you don't pack the midfield and the other team does.
To play with two strikers, you do need some very fit box to box players in the midfield area, and we just don't really see many of those any more, probably because the physical demands are much higher than they used to be and most players are required to athletes first in order to compete.
It's unlikely you'll ever see the likes of Jan Molby, Paul Gascoigne or Matthew Le Tissier make it at the top level anymore for the same reasons. Some will say that's why Adel Taarabt never made it at a top club as well. But in many ways it's made football lose a little bit of its charm.
If we really played 4-4-2 at QPR, the current midfield pairing of say Sandro and Faurlin would be too mobile, so they'd have to sit deep while the two wingers would be expected to have enormous engines to get up and down in support, but also the creative ability to deliver those crosses into the box for the front two. They'd then need one of the strikers to be a really hard worker and to drop off into the hole or onto the deepest midfielder of the other team when out of possession to make it work. |  | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 17:27 - Jan 10 with 2830 views | daveB |
we played 2 up front for most of last season |  | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 17:31 - Jan 10 with 2814 views | Hayesender |
Oh how I long for the days of two wingers who can actually cross the ball, crossing the ball to two strikers |  |
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| Am I the only one ... on 17:39 - Jan 10 with 2786 views | paulparker |
we have been crying out for another striker for about 3 seasons now
would have liked us to at least go with 4-4-2 yesterday, |  |
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| Am I the only one ... on 17:51 - Jan 10 with 2764 views | FloridaR |
We can play 1 upfront its just having a defence that is mobile and can frequently get to halfway line & can shift zonally, also fullbacks like Yun are critical in system of play but sadly this is not what we have to make the system fully functional.
Yesterday reports they tried playing a 4-1-4-1 with 4 center backs, anyone see anything wrong with that ? |  |
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| Am I the only one ... on 17:56 - Jan 10 with 2744 views | FloridaR |
| Am I the only one ... on 17:24 - Jan 10 by Neil_SI |
It's certainly a formation that has dramatically changed the way football is played in this country at the highest level, and I'm not always sure it's for the better myself. But I can understand why and think it's related to the way fitness has changed for the better over the years, which makes it a risk if you don't pack the midfield and the other team does.
To play with two strikers, you do need some very fit box to box players in the midfield area, and we just don't really see many of those any more, probably because the physical demands are much higher than they used to be and most players are required to athletes first in order to compete.
It's unlikely you'll ever see the likes of Jan Molby, Paul Gascoigne or Matthew Le Tissier make it at the top level anymore for the same reasons. Some will say that's why Adel Taarabt never made it at a top club as well. But in many ways it's made football lose a little bit of its charm.
If we really played 4-4-2 at QPR, the current midfield pairing of say Sandro and Faurlin would be too mobile, so they'd have to sit deep while the two wingers would be expected to have enormous engines to get up and down in support, but also the creative ability to deliver those crosses into the box for the front two. They'd then need one of the strikers to be a really hard worker and to drop off into the hole or onto the deepest midfielder of the other team when out of possession to make it work. |
We could play 4-4-2 with a narrower shape & supply of shorter crosses, compactness would be better overall for this group. | |
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| Am I the only one ... on 18:01 - Jan 10 with 2731 views | Raymond |
Large reason why we've hardly scored any goals these last 10 odd games.
So boring that system. | | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 18:02 - Jan 10 with 2728 views | stevec |
| Am I the only one ... on 17:27 - Jan 10 by daveB |
we played 2 up front for most of last season |
I've been banging on about playing 2 up front for ages, it's just not the done thing apparently.
Hardly fair to condemn on the basis of last season, Zamora has only got one leg and that only lasts one half. |  | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 18:03 - Jan 10 with 2728 views | Bakes |
Am I the only one who gets infuriated by our kick off routine? Pass ball back to midfielder who whacks it upfield to opposition defender, immediately losing possession. Ridiculous. Why not keep the ball? Why not give everyone a touch? Why not pass it around a bit and launch an attack? No. Not once have I ever seen this silly routine work and we've been doing it for years now. |  |
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| Am I the only one ... on 18:05 - Jan 10 with 2715 views | Bakes |
And another thing, am I the only one who is sick to death of that bloody song we play before kick off? I don't know what it is! It's an imstrumental and it's about 16 mins long, I guess it's meant to gee the crowd up but it all it does to me is make me want to punch myself in the dick.
(Sorry for hijacking the thread and going slightly off topic) | |
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| Am I the only one ... on 18:44 - Jan 10 with 2618 views | daveB |
| Am I the only one ... on 18:02 - Jan 10 by stevec |
I've been banging on about playing 2 up front for ages, it's just not the done thing apparently.
Hardly fair to condemn on the basis of last season, Zamora has only got one leg and that only lasts one half. |
not condemning it at all but when we did play it last season the manager was called a dinosaur for doing so | | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 18:49 - Jan 10 with 2604 views | LongsufferingR |
| Am I the only one ... on 18:03 - Jan 10 by Bakes |
Am I the only one who gets infuriated by our kick off routine? Pass ball back to midfielder who whacks it upfield to opposition defender, immediately losing possession. Ridiculous. Why not keep the ball? Why not give everyone a touch? Why not pass it around a bit and launch an attack? No. Not once have I ever seen this silly routine work and we've been doing it for years now. |
Not on your own at all. How refreshing it was when Brighton came to LR and attacked straight from their kickoff rather than kicking for touch. Caught everybody by surprise, not least our defence. |  | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 18:55 - Jan 10 with 2578 views | Bluce_Ree |
Dylan. Yes. I hate it too. Watching Charlie chase shit balls until his hamstrings fall off is no fun. Two up front has always suited us best but now football dictates we use wingers to get forward and fill the gaps and it's shit especially with our ones. |  |
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| Am I the only one ... on 19:01 - Jan 10 with 2553 views | Shunter |
Charlie and Poulter up front is my dream team, we must play 2 up front especially at home | | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 19:09 - Jan 10 with 2533 views | Copenranger |
IMO playing with a single striker doesn't have to be boring, but it requires a support, that can set him up.
Ex. Bayern have played Lewandowski alone on top in some games and still played some of the most beautiful football in Europe with plenty of attacking force. I know it's a tough comparison, when they have players like Goetze, Costa, Robben etc. behind him, but still.. :) |  | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 19:13 - Jan 10 with 2517 views | QPRDave |
| Am I the only one ... on 19:01 - Jan 10 by Shunter |
Charlie and Poulter up front is my dream team, we must play 2 up front especially at home |
Charlie yes, but Polter with him is your dream?! | | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 19:21 - Jan 10 with 2492 views | Northernr |
It's a distinct improvement on none up front. We're entirely reliant on Austin, a result of our entirely failed and v expensive transfer policy. But when he's not available we should at least pick somebody there. |  | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 19:32 - Jan 10 with 2455 views | QPRDave |
| Am I the only one ... on 19:21 - Jan 10 by Northernr |
It's a distinct improvement on none up front. We're entirely reliant on Austin, a result of our entirely failed and v expensive transfer policy. But when he's not available we should at least pick somebody there. |
Yeah good point.
Apols Shunter I was drifting back to when we used to have a plethora of great stikers.
Beggars can't be choosers that's for sure | | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 19:42 - Jan 10 with 2426 views | baz_qpr |
Our most exciting football in recent years was with 1 up front under Warnock. And some of the worse football I've seen has been with 2 upfront and aimless punts to either Zamora or down the channels.
The problem is not the formation IMHO its not buying the players to play a specific way in a specific formation. In the Warnock promotion year every player was brought in to play a specific position / role that was there strength in the team.
We've bought players that are not suited to the formation we play, and retained players that are not suitable. Phillips and Austin clearly do better in a 4-4-2. Luongo and Gladwin thrived in a 3-5-2 at Swindon, Henry does well when he is the holding player and does not have to get up and down the pitch. Ale Faurlin is a deep lying playmaker in a 4-2-3-1 . Hoilett is most suited to playing very high up in a 4-3-3. You can go on about managers or it being the board but IMHO that is the problem we buy players without having the first clue how we are going to play them, instead of deciding on a method of play and then getting the best players we can realistically acquire for those positions. |  | | |
| Am I the only one ... on 19:47 - Jan 10 with 2411 views | HollowayRanger |
I can understand it in away games but not home games
away teams turn up at the loft full of uncertainty but we give them a easy time as we don't/cant put them under pressure with just one forward which allows the away teams to settle find their feet get into the game them pick us apart
two forwards two in the box doubles your chances of scoring or at least getting a effort in
1 striker marked by two centrebacks /or two strikers v 2 centrebacks hardly rocket science!!!!!!!!!! |  |
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| Am I the only one ... on 19:55 - Jan 10 with 2395 views | baz_qpr |
| Am I the only one ... on 19:47 - Jan 10 by HollowayRanger |
I can understand it in away games but not home games
away teams turn up at the loft full of uncertainty but we give them a easy time as we don't/cant put them under pressure with just one forward which allows the away teams to settle find their feet get into the game them pick us apart
two forwards two in the box doubles your chances of scoring or at least getting a effort in
1 striker marked by two centrebacks /or two strikers v 2 centrebacks hardly rocket science!!!!!!!!!! |
But often it also means 3 against 2 in midfield which means more longball and less possession | | | |
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