| Stabbing In Hayes 14:49 - Aug 16 with 12404 views | paulparker |
in broad daylight as well , Hayes was always a rough old place with a quite a few headcases but to stab a kid in the middle of the day is just madness
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3743306/Humble-polite-teenager-killed-ru |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 15:08 - Aug 16 with 8983 views | Mick_S |
I used to live around the corner - the area of the attack is by no means the nastiest part of Hayes.
I really do not like the photographs attached to that article - completely unnecessary.
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 15:51 - Aug 16 with 8844 views | Hayesender |
Hayes is an absolute shithole. It seems to have become a dumping ground for all the world's scummiest scum to add to the local scum.
I got slated on here a couple of years back for saying parts of Hayes are no go areas after dark. I stand by that.
No idea what's happened here, but what a waste of a young life |  |
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 16:13 - Aug 16 with 8766 views | westberksr |
Was there today visiting parents and solicitor, latter is 100 yds from where it happened. Gledwood taped off, apparently row started in house between 2 18 year olds, one went into street thinking he'd be safe outside and the other followed him out and stabbed him multiple times in front of people & then just walked off.
Wish my parents would pack up and leave but brother and his kids are there, so they won't move away from grankids. |  | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 16:20 - Aug 16 with 8744 views | stowmarketrange |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 15:51 - Aug 16 by Hayesender |
Hayes is an absolute shithole. It seems to have become a dumping ground for all the world's scummiest scum to add to the local scum.
I got slated on here a couple of years back for saying parts of Hayes are no go areas after dark. I stand by that.
No idea what's happened here, but what a waste of a young life |
That's more than just 1 wasted life.His family and friends will also suffer,as will the killer and his family too.
What is wrong in the world today that an argument leads to someone's death?Another reason to be glad I'm not growing up in today's world.
RIP to the victim. |  | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 16:45 - Aug 16 with 8673 views | Hayesender |
Life just seems to mean so little to today's youth. Christ, we ran over and killed a baby rabbit on the way home from Cardiff on Sunday and were gutted about it | |
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 16:49 - Aug 16 with 8660 views | A40Bosh |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 16:45 - Aug 16 by Hayesender |
Life just seems to mean so little to today's youth. Christ, we ran over and killed a baby rabbit on the way home from Cardiff on Sunday and were gutted about it |
Come on fella at least put the word "some of " in front of "today's youth" |  |
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 16:52 - Aug 16 with 8643 views | Hayesender |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 16:49 - Aug 16 by A40Bosh |
Come on fella at least put the word "some of " in front of "today's youth" |
You're right, that does seem a bit of a generalisation.
I obviously don't mean all, just the hood rats | |
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 17:59 - Aug 16 with 8490 views | simmo |
There are stabbings throughout London, every day. Unless they are in your immediate area you only hear about the ones that are particularly horrific/lead to death or when they are teenagers.
It's savage but I wouldn't say Hayes is any worse than most other parts. There was a schoolboy stabbed round the corner from me not long ago, middle of the afternoon, and that was near Barnet! |  |
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 20:48 - Aug 16 with 8188 views | HAYESBOY |
Used to live two streets away and parents still live there.
Mum and Dad too old to up sticks now. Wish I had the money to move them away from there. |  |
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 21:24 - Aug 16 with 8116 views | westberksr |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 20:48 - Aug 16 by HAYESBOY |
Used to live two streets away and parents still live there.
Mum and Dad too old to up sticks now. Wish I had the money to move them away from there. |
Ditto Mark, dad's 80 in a few months and going nowhere. | | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 17:50 - Aug 17 with 7687 views | HendonHoop |
I remember a few years back when the Police would put those big yellow witness appeal boards in the streets. I suppose they stopped doing it as now there would be nothing but yellow boards stuck around every town and would scare the daylights out of all the good folk who would be afraid to leave their front doors and go out. |  | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 15:32 - Nov 7 with 6271 views | Juzzie |
Where I live seems ok, for now, but we’re just a couple of miles from Hounslow in one direction and Feltham in another. Both have vastly different backgrounds of people and both have dodgy areas and nice areas. IMO there’s very unsavoury people in this world whatever thier background.
With a four year old growing up and a 9 month old following it really does worry me what things will be like for them in ten years. If not any better, time to move out. However, i know there are bad places everywhere but I guess all you can do is your best to lessen the possibilities of anything happening.
Oh, and the government growing a fking backbone and not only passing laws that protect the innocent and punish the guilty (rather than the opposite) but making money available to do so rather than giving their grouse shooting chums more tax breaks. |  | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 15:38 - Nov 7 with 6237 views | colinallcars |
The homicide rate in the London area has doubled since the 60s, I'm surprised anyone is shocked anymore. It will carry on increasing. I'm sure some some wishy washy person will say “ what about the Kray twins .” |  | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 15:44 - Nov 7 with 6210 views | colinallcars |
Also......why do people always descibe them as kids and lads. The people who kill them are also kids and lads. They are still scum. | | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 15:47 - Nov 7 with 6190 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 15:38 - Nov 7 by colinallcars |
The homicide rate in the London area has doubled since the 60s, I'm surprised anyone is shocked anymore. It will carry on increasing. I'm sure some some wishy washy person will say “ what about the Kray twins .” |
If you murder someone in a suit then it's ok. |  | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 16:04 - Nov 7 with 6144 views | BostonR |
This is so reminiscent of what happened in many US cities and still does.
Since the late 90's we have allowed an under-class to grow and fester unchecked throughout the UK. Communities and individuals get left behind, which has been magnified in the last 10yrs and into that vacuum step the gangs, drug-dealers and petty criminals. Simple arguments often end in stabbings and shootings.
The Police ignore it, because they do not have the resources and in many cases they will not enter those areas. It is a powder-keg waiting to blow and given the size of some of these communities it will be hard to contain.
We are not far away from more privileged communities hiring in private security companies to guard and protect their streets. |  | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 21:21 - Nov 7 with 5834 views | ed_83 |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 15:38 - Nov 7 by colinallcars |
The homicide rate in the London area has doubled since the 60s, I'm surprised anyone is shocked anymore. It will carry on increasing. I'm sure some some wishy washy person will say “ what about the Kray twins .” |
Here's a table of homicide rates in England & Wales from 1960 to 2012, based on ONS figures:
Couldn't find isolated numbers for London from the 1960s through to the present day, but the general trend is pretty clear: murder rates are much higher now than in the 60s, but that masks the fact they spiked in the early 2000s and have been falling steadily for much of the last 15 years.
This means that even with the recent increase in violence (missed off the above graph as it ends in 2012) the murder rate is roughly where it was 5 to 10 years ago, with London's much the same as many other parts of the country.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-murder-rate-new-york-compare-
https://news.sky.com/story/in-context-just-how-bad-is-londons-murder-rate-113155
Obviously there's still a huge issue with violence, but I think talking about it like some unprecedentedly huge problem, beyond our understanding or control, is unhelpful for lots of reasons.
I also think a large part of why it *feels* like violence is a bigger issue right now is because the press have developed a very clear narrative around it: each event fits their pre-existing theme, so they cover it in more detail, so we see more of events which might have passed us by in previous decades.
The media does a great job in places too, though. This is a really good look at the underlying issues, which importantly gives more than just a couple of scare quotes to the people directly involved:
https://i-d.vice.com/en_uk/article/kzjmbe/the-people-fighting-to-end-knife-crime | | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 23:06 - Nov 7 with 5659 views | highleverhoopL |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 16:04 - Nov 7 by BostonR |
This is so reminiscent of what happened in many US cities and still does.
Since the late 90's we have allowed an under-class to grow and fester unchecked throughout the UK. Communities and individuals get left behind, which has been magnified in the last 10yrs and into that vacuum step the gangs, drug-dealers and petty criminals. Simple arguments often end in stabbings and shootings.
The Police ignore it, because they do not have the resources and in many cases they will not enter those areas. It is a powder-keg waiting to blow and given the size of some of these communities it will be hard to contain.
We are not far away from more privileged communities hiring in private security companies to guard and protect their streets. |
Re private security guards we are there already. Many streets in Notting Hill, Kensington, Primrose Hill, Holland Pk etc have private security patrols organised by residents for example Elgin Crescent off Ladbroke Grove has one | | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 23:08 - Nov 7 with 5656 views | ted_hendrix |
I'm reading the news on the laptop tonight and discover that some stinking piece of shit broke into a 98 year old mans home in Enfield and beat the poor bastard nigh on to death, the poor old bloke is now barely alive on a life support machine, whoever done this fcked of with his personal belongings and his television.
What the hell kind of a bastard could actually physically beat a 98 year old man almost to death? |  |
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 18:49 - Nov 8 with 5296 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
There are horrendous crimes committed in all societies, but statistically they occur more frequently in unequal ones.
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 18:59 - Nov 8 with 5281 views | colinallcars |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 18:49 - Nov 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
There are horrendous crimes committed in all societies, but statistically they occur more frequently in unequal ones.
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I Could go with this if poor people were killing rich people. What we have is young yobs killing their peers.
More research neded etc etc...... | | | |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 19:15 - Nov 8 with 5255 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Stabbing In Hayes on 18:59 - Nov 8 by colinallcars |
I Could go with this if poor people were killing rich people. What we have is young yobs killing their peers.
More research neded etc etc...... |
Nothing to do with being rich or poor. It's the gap between the two and the effect this has on community, schooling, and social mobility etc.
This research was conducted over 25 years. Singapore the obvious exception that proves the rule but questions are often asked about how they collect their data.
https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/violence [Post edited 8 Nov 2018 19:22]
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| Stabbing In Hayes on 19:33 - Nov 8 with 5218 views | Lblock |
So Capitalism is yet again the source of all evil????
Jesus Bazza, we've had our moments in the past and I really do make an effort not to respond to your continual Marxist mantra on everything from the weather to the skinny ripped jeans that are all the rage but come on........
Of course certain people will see what the rich gits have got and want it - some people call it aspiration. It's just lots don't want the perspiration to achieve these things and instead turn to crime and violence.
This current wave is far, far, far more complex in simple class divide.... it all leads back to a complete breakdown in society in certain areas of the "community"
I'll leave it there |  |
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