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Reply | New stadium for London
at 17:07 3 Dec 2025
Show me the new ground which is the financial saviour of a club - other than West Ham's, a ground subsidised by the tax payer. Sheffield Wednesday has a ground capacity of 39k...was not a silver bullet. |
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Reply | the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan
at 16:54 3 Dec 2025
"I suspect what happened is that the player concerned, and probably some of the rest of them, didn't like a bit of managerial passion going up against their lack of it, and the twunts running the show wanted to flex their scrawny muscles once again."
A year later, that well-known softy and low-talker Neil Warnock took the best of that same squad - including Buzsaky, the player who'd been headbutted - up as champions. So that option was open to Magilton, if he'd been half the manager (he might have got another significant job elsewhere too since 2009).
PS. the story you linked to says Magilton put his head against Akos and then it got a bit heated. Not exactly a watertight rebuttal. |
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Reply | New stadium for London
at 15:39 3 Dec 2025
Everyone is losing money. Look at our nearest rivals, two clubs held up as models for ground redevelopment and/or building on this thread.
Fulham announced losses of £33 million last accounts (and if you want a season ticket in the redeveloped Riverside Stand, cheapest is £1250, rising to £3k: plenty still available.)
Brentford, despite all their player trading, still lost over £7 million in their nice new Lego stadium with a smaller capacity than LR.
Chelsea announced big profits because they moved money around to avoid charges, but their parent company had losses of £2 billion (!).
QPR in terms of revenue are 15th in the division, which is where we ended up in the league last season. It won't be matchday revenue that improves our revenue, it'll be player sales (and broadcasting eventually) - just as it is for Brentford. Developing players takes massive precedence over developing the ground for the club (though we will redevelop LR: just because it's not announced doesn't mean it isn't happening).
Championship revenue source: https://www.insidermedia.com/news/national/wrexham-ipswich-and-sheffield-united- |
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Reply | New stadium for London
at 13:31 3 Dec 2025
Should be noted that Leyton station is currently being rebuilt, and a big job too - won't be finished for 18 months yet. So the Asda and the car park is a possibility. Be a good spot for it too - can't imagine housing that close to the motorway. |
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Reply | New stadium for London
at 13:26 3 Dec 2025
There are a lot of similarities between QPR and Orient's grounds:
Both are located in Zone 2/3 London, surrounded by dense residential housing, close to travel hubs and long-established retail high roads in traditionally working class and immigrant communities.
Both areas are subject to intense gentrification, housing investment and an influx of new young professionals and families. Anecdotally, I'd say the areas around Orient are where W12 was about 15-20 years ago. Prices are not coming down ever again - they're shooting up.
We like to focus on how close QPR is to Fulham, Brentford and Chelsea - each about 3 miles from Rangers.
Orient are 1.5 miles from West Ham, one stop on the Central (and is where many West Ham drink before a game). Closer than any of our rivals. They are only four miles from Spurs, five from Arsenal and four and a bit from Millwall.
Much as Chris Wright insisted QPR needed to move far out West to find land for a ground, I wouldn't be surprised if Orient's hunt for a ground eventually has their US owners suggesting a move out East for them. |
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Reply | New stadium for London
at 12:53 3 Dec 2025
Amazing how few people actually read the piece on Orient's site that is linked to, isn't it?
Read the piece, Stainrod's Elbow before you "sue H&F". Orient are not getting a new stadium anymore than QPR were getting a new stadium when it announced it was doing so on its website over a decade ago - QPR was at least one step ahead in that it had identified a site (which H&F would've given planning permission to on the Car Giant site or Old Oak - club just couldn't get the land).
Orient haven't got a site. Land in Waltham Forest is increasingly valuable and is increasingly hard to find. They are just buttering their fans up for the sale of Brisbane Road - a site which is more than adequate for their current size and could have its capacity doubled by redeveloping two of its stands as the footprint is quite big. But which is the nonetheless increasingly valuable as a site for housing or retail.
All the area around Orient is being redeveloped for mixed-use housing currently. There are no sites nearby suitable for a larger ground than Brisbane Road, just as there are no sites new Loftus Road - this is also prime Zone 3 London real estate close to travel hubs and Westfield. They will end up out as E17 says by the Lea Bridge Road or possibly in Redbridge near the M11 towards Ilford. Waltham Forest would be very happy to swap a football ground by the new Central Line station for more commuters, more shops, more income and council taxes. Redbridge would have far fewer complaints welcoming a new stadium.
I am willing to bet anyone that QPR redevelop Loftus Road before Orient finish a new stadium. |
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Reply | the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan
at 19:57 1 Dec 2025
Jim Magilton is the last QPR manager you liked. A manager who was in charge for 24 games in 2009, of which he won 9, lost six. 37%.
What was it that he did that so charmed you? Was it losing 1-5 at home to Boro and then 1-3 away at Watford the next game? (Not much travel between those two games)? What in his managerial career marks him out for you? |
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Reply | (No subject) (n/t)
at 18:30 26 Nov 2025
I reckon the downvotes were more due to the incredibly tone-deaf nature of your post. For example:
"He has tried his best for us over many years but its not as if the youth system has worked that well over many many years."
A) The guy is not in charge of the youth system. He's a coach who has worked his way successfully up through the age groups, producing players at each stage.
B) He's been coaching the U23s for four years and in that time has won as many trophies (one, last year) as all the other coaches combined in the last 40.
C) Two of his recent graduates played for the first team on Saturday.
D) He's Paul Furlong. Not just some bloke to "be escorted off the premises".
Maybe you could send your original post to the club, see if they can run it through AI for a tribute. End it with: Christian Nourry thanked Furlong for his five years as a player, his promotion-winning goals, his 12 years as a trophy-winning, loyal and respected coach who helped produced the likes of Eze and Kolli, but added "comme ci, comme ca!" |
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Reply | Furs leaving
at 10:48 26 Nov 2025
"Increasingly inflammatory WLS": what nonsense.
So inflammatory: reporting on matches, giving player ratings, an occasional podcast with David McIntyre - vet of 20+ years of the most reliable QPR news-gathering -and the so-controversial Kevin Gallen that he was the guest of honour on Saturday, had his photo installed in the Loft and was subject to a 90-minute interview in the official site. And sometimes breaking stories like these, the timing of which may not suit the club but the veracity of which can never be contradicted.
If you want examples of the tone from some accounts on X, it's like your own post: casting doubt on the source, knock their intentions, but conversely always, always giving CN and co the benefit of the doubt. |
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Reply | Furs leaving
at 12:27 25 Nov 2025
The staffing of QPR is purposefully opaque. Nobody is listed really on the website.
https://www.qpr.co.uk/club/staff-directory
Keep the fans, the real stakeholders in the dark.The individual age group coaches are there, otherwise keep schtum.
You have to rely on West London Sport to find out that Anthony Hayes is "methodology manager, focusing on the Under-17 to Under-21 age groups." I imagine Scott Marshall will just slide back into his old role unannounced again, having skipped out to Reading a few months ago. Keep that churn of coaches working between Brentford, Charlton, Reading going.
Meanwhile, a loyal QPR servant who has progressed successfully through the age groups gets pushed out. (Is Impey still there? He's not listed). Pathway should also exist for coaches: Hyde had to leave for Watford to move up; now Furlong. I genuinely would've liked to see him take the first team next. Hope he does very well elsewhere. |
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Reply | Burning bright – Preview
at 17:05 23 Nov 2025
Let's see if that's true when we actually lose having 8 shots on target and instead have a whole new problem to wring our hands about. I would always, always rather not lose. I bet those soaking Hull fans would've preferred taking a 0-0 back with their train beers than a gallant 3-2 defeat, bloody Pigbag and Hi-Ho ringing in their ears.
Winning is best, drawing admittedly is far behind in second best. Losing, however, is nowhere. Nothing for artistic endeavour in sport - that's what art, drama and music is for. |
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Reply | QPR - State of Play
at 14:51 19 Nov 2025
At Blackpool, Dembele won both the players and supporters Player of the Year (and the junior supporters player of the year). This was based on his 13 assists and eight goals as a 20 year-old winger in L1 over 40 games in a middling team. He got badly injured at QPR - certainly worse than we ever let on - but he's already proven his potential at Blackpool.
Kolli desperately, clearly needs the same: a run of games in a L1 team where he's relied on to create and score.
All the QPR youth players of the last decade who've had careers at this level - Eze, Chair, Furlong, Dieng, Manning, even Lumley - had long, productive loans at L1 or L2. Otherwise, they don't make it. |
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Reply | QPR - State of Play
at 17:21 18 Nov 2025
Yes, Morgan's an England U20 player. If you look at the U20 team that played Japan, only one player - the excellent Ndala at Hull, who's on loan from Man City - plays at Championship level more often than Morgan. Most of the others are on loan at lower level clubs from PL teams.
Morgan should be at Barnsley or Reading on loan this season. They can blame JS, they can sack him even for it. It's on Nourry and player development: the players will know. [Post edited 18 Nov 17:22]
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Reply | QPR - State of Play
at 17:10 18 Nov 2025
Kolli is 18 months younger than Kone and Dembele, two players he is directly competing with for starting places and two that he is going to struggle to dislodge - with Saito, Burrell, Chair, Poku, Smyth and Frey also ahead of him, all vying for at most four positions.
This season he should be doing what Kone and Dembele were doing at his age: having breakout seasons at Wycombe or Blackpool, playing 40 games and scoring and assisting a ton of goals. Then he returns midway through his four year contract and tears up the Championship in 25-26.
It's a massive failure of the club that he's not on loan in L1 or even L2 this season. It's nothing to do with the head coach who has better options and a very difficult job - but I think it's not a coincidence that the social media drums are keen to blame JS now, make it his fault. It's not. Club failure.
Morgan, I reckon he'll get a dozen games at least this season, at RB or midfield. Next season, he needs that loan too if not cemented. |
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Reply | QPR - State of Play
at 13:12 18 Nov 2025
We (you) don't know if the money's been spent, as we don't know the sum due nor when we received any Eze money.
If it has been spent, it's not been spent on Frey or Anderson's last contract. That's as likely as top of the table Swindon sacking Holloway. It's been spent on:
Kone (22)
Poku (24)
Saito (24)
Burrell (24)
Mbenge (23)
I reckon three months after buying those players, at those ages, they can safely still be seen as investments rather than waste.
I'm willing to bet with you that at least one of these players and/or Varane (24), Morgan (19), Dembele (22), Morrison (22) will be sold at a decent profit and therefore the money not have been blown.
Reasons to be positive: squad filled with talented young Championship players under the age of 25 who can all improve to a higher level. Nucleus there of something potentially great if they mature at same rate. Better off points-wise this Nov than last and still loads to improve on, with a manager who can also improve. It's only November.
Reasons to be worried: bloated squad that will breed bad vibes when most fit; wonky recruitment left key goalkeeping and full back spots a mess - especially Murph Cooper out on loan, so playing 37 year-old retiree in nets. Those young players need to play together to mature together as a team. Suspicious culture war vibes around club. Nourry: something of the night remains about him. It's only November.
What I'm hopeful for: a winning run, soon. Changes the picture for all. |
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Reply | QPR - State of Play
at 18:08 17 Nov 2025
"Connected to this, I'm also uncomfortable with the number of fan accounts, some who are genuine fans and have been going for years, others who have appeared recently and are largely anonymous, behaving like PRs for the regime, attacking people who are critical or not positive."
Agree. Big bugbear. Have noticed a couple accounts mention "if the head coach doesn't do this or that he has to go" a few times recently, a theme being developed by the guys who used to have Marti as avatars, then JS in the summer and probably won't soon. Fishy. |
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Reply | Expectations for the rest of the season
at 17:03 12 Nov 2025
As I've said before, we were bottom and five points adrift at this time last year. Two wins, two defeats changes everything. You can't tell anything in November.
I think we're an improving team who will get better over the season as players bed in and we sign a keeper. I certainly feel much more confident than I did in November 2024, but I missed Coventry and Derby so vision may be impaired by that. But let's see.
This is interesting, I think.
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Reply | Expectations for the rest of the season
at 16:54 12 Nov 2025
I get all that about the youth. It's very much what Chris Ramsey was preaching when he was here: young players playing out of position, against the wrong age group, winning not as important as learning...kind of the Dutch idea (though I did hear JFH and Jaap Stam both say on podcasts recently say that was actually a bit of red herring during their time as Dutch youth players - neither rotated much. Every guest on Stick to Football, meanwhile, seems to have started in one position and ended up elsewhere).
"My point is that we don't have enough football experience amongst the decision makers at the top of the club."
I don't think that's true, really. We lost Les and Ramsey, two experienced football guys. But replaced by Jon De Souza - he's a very experienced football man. Alex Carroll is still running the Academy and is very experienced now: between the two of them, I reckon they do quite a lot of the planning between youth groups and seniors. Then in the seniors, there's loads of football experience. The idea is that Betsy and Bould stay whoever the coach is.
I'm not in Nourry fan club, but it's not true he makes all the football decisions unaided, is it? One of the things he's been thorough about is getting senior football people in. In terms of board members, we haven't a football person on it in...well, when? |
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Reply | Expectations for the rest of the season
at 15:51 12 Nov 2025
You're right, he did say that. But he also subsequently hired a Head of Methodology to help implement a game plan across all age groups, as well as sign a load of players in theory to play it - it's quite early in the piece still. 442, 4231, 433...they're not hugely different. They all play with full backs and wide players. I think you can be fairly fluid between these systems. Wing backs and three CBs in a 352 is totally different.
You're right, Warnock did base his formation around what we had. I don't think he nor anyone else would look at a squad without an experienced wing back in it, but containing Poku, Saito, Chair, Dembele, Kolli, Vale and Smyth (never mind Bennie and all the DS and 18s wingers we have) and conclude we should set up with wing backs but not wingers.
Listening recently to Gary Neville describe how different and difficult he found playing wing back, how he played his worst ever game when forced into WB for England, should be instructive. I don't think you can just drop Saito or Smyth into the role.
We need and will sign a new keeper, an RB, possibly an additional CM (though Hayden and Morgan are apparently underemployed). Feels...OK? We're 16th, 4 points off 7th, nine away from bottom three. I really don't see the panic nor gloom after a few bumpy results in a tough run of fixtures. |
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Reply | Expectations for the rest of the season
at 12:23 12 Nov 2025
I think the idea we've bought wingers Poku and Saito this summer - two of three marquee signings, the other Kone - to ditch wingers and have them either retrain as wingbacks or sit on the bench alongside other redundant wingers/10s Vale, Chair, Dembele, Kolli is for the birds.
We scoff about the game model and, yes, we're playing a sort of two upfront now...but this squad has been assembled entirely to support a hybrid of either 4231 or 433 and we're not going to start playing three at the back with wingbacks. It would change the formation of every age group too.
Far better better, in my uneducated opinion, to have Burrell tweak his position so he's fighting for one of the wide attacking roles in a 433 than ditching Saito, Poku, Chair and Dembele - besides, wingbacks are a premium and, by and large, a disaster against most set-ups nowadays. |
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