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Eddie Jones
at 11:06 19 Mar 2016

Ok Bri, I hear you. On point in general I agree. On this rugby match I'm not sure, but it's certainly contentious. One thing for sure is that time normalises everything. But then, to your point, critical mass does too I guess and social media may help in that regard. As I've said on different threads before, we would all do well to remember that we're all immigrants, it just seems to depend where/when in the chronology the line gets drawn.
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Eddie Jones
at 10:12 19 Mar 2016

Bri I would totally agree with you here. But do you think the attention focused on this particular incident has been worth it? I think there's an irony in that if it had attracted no attention at all it would have reflected much better on current society. The fact everyone has gone to town on it says to me that instead of media and their consumers essentially viewing everyone the same, they instead clearly view certain groups very differently and the resulting process doesn't appear to educate people any better. My teen years were seriously affected by racism and a lack of self-worth. But asking people to not call me a name wasn't any kind of way to emerge from it.
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Eddie Jones
at 16:35 18 Mar 2016

I think the world's gone mad. When did it become acceptable for people to get so offended on everyone else's behalf, pitchforks at the ready? Have we nothing better to do in our lives?

Would it be alright for one prop to call another a w*anker in the heat of battle? There's not a race of w*ankers exactly but it's still sectarian, pigeon-holing all these w*ankers and drawing attention to them for what they are - terrible stuff isn't it? What if one prop said to another "white boy" as they locked horns, or "black boy" or "welsh boy" - would this be a problem to the PC brigade?

Samson Lee is proud to be a gypsy and refers to himself as a gypsy. Marler calls him a gypsy (didn't even say gyppo which I would have been more likely to expect) with the intention of having a go, a bit of verbals, designed to cause some kind of disturbance, in the same way w*anker would. Petty and robotic perhaps, not exactly original, somewhat pathetic. Still, I think the airing in the media and social media has caused far more embarrassment as this is where the subtle racism is actually occurring. Every PC outpouring is an admittance of a difference that challenges peoples' identity and values. It's an admittance that people truly feel that gypsies are different, that they live their lives in a way that covertly the PC middle classes don't find acceptable. So magnifying a prop saying gypsy to another prop simply reflects on middle class ignorance and the finespun bigotry that protects everyone's wee castle and garden fence - I'll defend them on bbc sport but wo-betide they set up camp in my village etc etc....

I'm mixed race, been subject to racism (plenty) as a kid and I abhor it. But even I can recognise the difference between some rugby verbals in the scrum that nobody on the pitch is bothered by, and ignorance fuelled bile and hatred being directed between one human being and another. And this is the crux of the matter. We're all humans, born by chance into one territory or community or another. Pure chance. Nobody is any different at the end of the day. To think otherwise is ignorant (see the migrant crisis). I couldn't give a monkey's about petty national borders, organised religions, whatever. All are devices designed to get in the way of true meaning.

Sorry for going off on one, don't know how I got started! As for Eddie Jones - he's just a coach doing a coach's thing. He's not been hired to be a UN politician. He's been hired to make England win stuff and it seems he's doing a good job. We don't have to like or dislike him as a person. Not knowing him personally, yet knowing he's not qualified to for his diplomacy qualities, why would any of us judge him?
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What would they be if they were not professional footballers?
at 10:30 18 Mar 2016

Garth Crooks - private investigator

Sergio Aguero - hit man

Yaya Toure - undertaker

Mark Lawrensen - punch and judy shows
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New England Kit
at 09:17 18 Mar 2016

we'll never achieve anything with airy fairy sky blue armpits. just doesn't happen.
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What would they be if they were not professional footballers?
at 09:15 18 Mar 2016

lovely to hear from you disco. hot shots in the groin and river dumping!!! lol. i think armand would also spend hours sculpting additional facial hair acoutrements from a shard of broken mirror next to his bed roll every morning - de rigour for mobile phone shops.
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England Squad
at 12:51 17 Mar 2016

Fully agree on Walcott, but I thought Lallana had made a lot of progress? Herr Klopp seems to think so. Sturridge, if he stays fit, has striking ability way ahead of Vardy imo, just not the outright pace (but which will be more nullified at international level anyway). The drinkwater drum has been banging for weeks medway - where you been man?!
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Footballer of the year
at 12:47 17 Mar 2016

Swap Vardy and Sturridge around, although I think it's harsh on Kane to be left out. Possibly start with him as the target man and not Sturridge?

Also, Lallana has come on a lot post-Klopp. On form I'd pick him ahead the west londoner with the dodgy facial hair. Sterling needs to be forced to impress. Impact sub.
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England Squad
at 12:42 17 Mar 2016

i hear you Mr B though I wasn't really questioning either: Bertrand and Walcott would be my greater issues.
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England Squad
at 12:39 17 Mar 2016

holy crrap i had no idea Antonio was english! it's funny how any player half decent in the prem these days i expect to be from another country!
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Footballer of the year
at 12:05 17 Mar 2016

Yeah oops I just posted a thread on similar lines to this. Does that count as a spackman? I'm sure Clive'll shit it down. Still, completely agree though. Also agree about Walcott. The man's form has been terrible and he cannot even make the 1st team.
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England Squad
at 12:03 17 Mar 2016

I accept many aren't that interested. Myself only a wee bit. But I see Drinkwater gets called up due to media clamour. And Danny Rose. Yet no place for Cresswell. And if Disco Danny D gets in why not Mark Noble? I'm no hammer, but it does make me wonder what Woy and his boys are looking for week-to-week.
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Kids...
at 09:31 16 Mar 2016

You see that announcement about Academies yesterday? So central government is going to control their education too. Stealthy totalitarianism.

One thing though is that kids aren't going to see what they're missing out on if they never had it. It's the inverse of why hooray henrys get to live in such ignorant bliss.......
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Footballer of the year
at 09:23 16 Mar 2016

The implication of what you're saying here Dave is that only attacking players can win POTY as they're always going to be the ones people prefer to watch. Payet is great and skilful but he does go missing in some games, doesn't always turn it on. Kante turns it on every time and is the reason why Leicester have kept this run going.
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2 in 12
at 15:56 15 Mar 2016

A lot of cock n balls from you today Bluce
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Rafa Benitez at newcastle why?
at 10:20 15 Mar 2016

I was going to disagree with you there PP and suggest he'd done ok at Napoli. But on inspection I see he inherited a team that twice finished 2nd to Juve, qualified them for the Champs Lge with a 3rd and then slipped them down to 5th and the Europa Lge the following season. They conceded more goals in that season then they had in decades apparently. Supporters were happy to see him go.

Still, IF, big if, he keeps the Geordies up, I suspect he'll have found his place up there, a very Valencia-like club relative to the Prem Lge, and those northern lads will drool at every footballing pearler that escapes his lips.

I think on the basis of who would be a more tricky rival in the Championship, I'd sooner be facing a Newcastle in decline than a Fat Sam led resurgent Sunderland. But I couldn't really give a monkeys for either.
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Rafa Benitez at newcastle why?
at 09:52 15 Mar 2016

His kids are based up north. They're on the production line. Sports Direct rayon/spandex waisties.
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This should be interesting
at 20:20 14 Mar 2016

Ssshhhhh Clive. For goodness sake, let the poor bar'stards sign him up first. Then we can crow and say we told you so. Right now is the time for some of that earnest gullet-tickling journalism, placing a halo around harry's head, only letting it drop to his neck as a noose once he's fully ensconced in his, ahem, coaching duties.
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This forum compared to others
at 19:47 14 Mar 2016

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

Erm, marvellous.
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This should be interesting
at 18:40 14 Mar 2016

Remember, this is a team who aren't interested in promotion this season, only in playing 'the derby way'. Ergo, Hoddle/Redknapp is the derby way. Of course it is. Makes complete sense. What a joy it is to see a rival take over the mantle of basket case. In the words of Mortimer Duke, wonderful news, wonderful news indeed.
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