| Africa 18:34 - Aug 28 with 15714 views | aleanddale |
Wow Teresa is plunging to new depths.
Reminds me of del boy to Rodney in OFAH when he says he has one word for him to describe his latest get rich quick idea!
Africa Rodney - AFRICA!!
Smacks of desperation and what is all that about linking aid to trade?. Bonkers.
Brexit just gets murkier and murkier.
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| Africa on 18:50 - Aug 28 with 6667 views | D_Alien |
More like you're out of your depth
The UK has as much right to trade with emerging African economies as any other country, it's got rock all to do with who's prime minister, it's just common sense that we make an effort to boost our trade links which are mutually beneficial
Every other advanced economy is doing the same. Stick to football, a&d |  |
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| Africa on 19:44 - Aug 28 with 6563 views | isitme |
Also African countries being able to trade with the UK without the punitive tariffs imposed by the EU will help these countries develop therefore bringing more people out of poverty. Surely this is something that should be applauded by people of any political persuasion? |  | | |
| Africa on 19:48 - Aug 28 with 6547 views | Dale23years |
| Africa on 19:44 - Aug 28 by isitme |
Also African countries being able to trade with the UK without the punitive tariffs imposed by the EU will help these countries develop therefore bringing more people out of poverty. Surely this is something that should be applauded by people of any political persuasion? |
Shame she didn't mention the murder and rape of white farmers for land. | |
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| Africa on 19:49 - Aug 28 with 6532 views | isitme |
| Africa on 19:48 - Aug 28 by Dale23years |
Shame she didn't mention the murder and rape of white farmers for land. |
Absolutely, although there is not much mention of this in the mainstream media. It is almost as if it does not fit in with an agenda? | | | |
| Africa on 20:02 - Aug 28 with 6473 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Africa on 19:49 - Aug 28 by isitme |
Absolutely, although there is not much mention of this in the mainstream media. It is almost as if it does not fit in with an agenda? |
The Donald tweeted that he was going to get his Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to have a look into “land redistribution” in South Africa and said if there was a hint of state sponsored white genocide or white farmers being kicked off their farms then he would be having a look at stopping trade with SA.
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| Africa on 20:26 - Aug 28 with 6407 views | kiwidale |
| Africa on 19:48 - Aug 28 by Dale23years |
Shame she didn't mention the murder and rape of white farmers for land. |
Your point is succinct well said D23y but your out of your depth as the wise old sage has said. You should stick to football Ha they will like that. There is simply no money in the plight of white farmers in Africa or their children. Life is cheap it should not be a barrier to trade . Its of no concern to May or the UN or us there is a game on. | |
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| Africa on 20:39 - Aug 28 with 6352 views | rochdale_ranger |
The fact that our brethren at the EU will in effect put sanctions on us if we don’t do a deal on their terms shows how ideologically driven they are. It should be food for thought for remain voters. | | | |
| Africa on 20:43 - Aug 28 with 6341 views | Dale23years |
| Africa on 19:49 - Aug 28 by isitme |
Absolutely, although there is not much mention of this in the mainstream media. It is almost as if it does not fit in with an agenda? |
Doesn't fit in with their agenda, same as the events that happen germany on Monday. | |
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| Africa on 20:50 - Aug 28 with 6308 views | tony_roch975 |
| Africa on 18:50 - Aug 28 by D_Alien |
More like you're out of your depth
The UK has as much right to trade with emerging African economies as any other country, it's got rock all to do with who's prime minister, it's just common sense that we make an effort to boost our trade links which are mutually beneficial
Every other advanced economy is doing the same. Stick to football, a&d |
but the deal we've signed is merely to retain the same trade with 5 African states as we have now in the EEC in the event of a no-deal Brexit! | |
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| Africa on 20:55 - Aug 28 with 6281 views | 49thseason |
Aid is a polite word for bribery. If you or I did it, it would be illegal But if HMG does it its OK because it's "aid", this despite the fact that billions of our taxes are unaccountable having disappeared into Swiss bank accounts, private jets and luxury yachts rather than the "good causes" we all thought we were supporting. |  | | |
| Africa on 20:56 - Aug 28 with 6274 views | D_Alien |
| Africa on 20:50 - Aug 28 by tony_roch975 |
but the deal we've signed is merely to retain the same trade with 5 African states as we have now in the EEC in the event of a no-deal Brexit! |
For now, perhaps
But the trip also seeks to develop relationships that've been left to atrophy under our EU membership, and there's plans for increasing trade further down the line
The visit (and remember i was replying to the OP), is the least we can be expecting to do | |
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| Africa on 20:56 - Aug 28 with 6275 views | tony_roch975 |
| Africa on 19:44 - Aug 28 by isitme |
Also African countries being able to trade with the UK without the punitive tariffs imposed by the EU will help these countries develop therefore bringing more people out of poverty. Surely this is something that should be applauded by people of any political persuasion? |
if you're interested in alleviating poverty, surely a more equal sharing of the ownership of the country and its wealth would be much more effective | |
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| Africa on 21:02 - Aug 28 with 6240 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Africa on 20:56 - Aug 28 by tony_roch975 |
if you're interested in alleviating poverty, surely a more equal sharing of the ownership of the country and its wealth would be much more effective |
What a utterly dangerous and unknowingly evil comment to make. How did land and wealth redistribution go in the Ukraine in the 1930s or more recently in the former breadbasket of Africa Rhodesia now known as Zimbabwe. [Post edited 28 Aug 2018 21:03]
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| Africa on 21:10 - Aug 28 with 6204 views | isitme |
| Africa on 20:56 - Aug 28 by tony_roch975 |
if you're interested in alleviating poverty, surely a more equal sharing of the ownership of the country and its wealth would be much more effective |
If only Marxism had been tried in Africa ... oh wait!
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/03/28/world/marxism-and-africa-a-legacy-of-humanism
The works of Paul Collier and Martin Meredith highlight the misrule of most African countries since the end of European imperialism. It is really sad the cycle of civil war and exploitation by the political elite. Unfortunately until these countries are ruled effectively then no amount of aid will help them. At least Botswana and Namibia have started to break the cycle and are seeing significant improvements. | | | |
| Africa on 21:10 - Aug 28 with 6197 views | 49thseason |
From Breadbasket to Basketcase | | | |
| Africa on 21:11 - Aug 28 with 6189 views | kiwidale |
| Africa on 20:56 - Aug 28 by tony_roch975 |
if you're interested in alleviating poverty, surely a more equal sharing of the ownership of the country and its wealth would be much more effective |
The only legal way to re distribute land is by purchase anything else is at best theft and at its worse genocide which is the option that South Africa is taking they are of course only following the lead of Uganda Kenya and Zimbabwe to name just a few. | |
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| Africa on 22:09 - Aug 28 with 6050 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Africa on 20:02 - Aug 28 by rochdale_ranger |
The Donald tweeted that he was going to get his Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to have a look into “land redistribution” in South Africa and said if there was a hint of state sponsored white genocide or white farmers being kicked off their farms then he would be having a look at stopping trade with SA.
Liberal media shat their pants. |
Two wrongs certainly don’t make a right but the whites appropriated the land through force did they not? [Post edited 28 Aug 2018 22:10]
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| Africa on 22:13 - Aug 28 with 6030 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Africa on 21:11 - Aug 28 by kiwidale |
The only legal way to re distribute land is by purchase anything else is at best theft and at its worse genocide which is the option that South Africa is taking they are of course only following the lead of Uganda Kenya and Zimbabwe to name just a few. |
Much of the land in this country is owned by the monarchy and the Church, this was not purchased by them. [Post edited 28 Aug 2018 22:16]
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| Africa on 22:15 - Aug 28 with 6026 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Africa on 21:02 - Aug 28 by rochdale_ranger |
What a utterly dangerous and unknowingly evil comment to make. How did land and wealth redistribution go in the Ukraine in the 1930s or more recently in the former breadbasket of Africa Rhodesia now known as Zimbabwe. [Post edited 28 Aug 2018 21:03]
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Land was not redistributed it was seized by the state was it not? [Post edited 28 Aug 2018 22:15]
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| Africa on 22:16 - Aug 28 with 6013 views | kiwidale |
| Africa on 22:09 - Aug 28 by BigDaveMyCock |
Two wrongs certainly don’t make a right but the whites appropriated the land through force did they not? [Post edited 28 Aug 2018 22:10]
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In many cases the land was unproductive and unutilised whether we should have been there in the first place is another story and one I have sympathy with however to believe that African infrastructure would be what it is today without European help is naive | |
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| Africa on 22:19 - Aug 28 with 5991 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Africa on 22:16 - Aug 28 by kiwidale |
In many cases the land was unproductive and unutilised whether we should have been there in the first place is another story and one I have sympathy with however to believe that African infrastructure would be what it is today without European help is naive |
“European help”. Slavery is help? | |
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| Africa on 22:21 - Aug 28 with 5979 views | tony_roch975 |
| Africa on 21:02 - Aug 28 by rochdale_ranger |
What a utterly dangerous and unknowingly evil comment to make. How did land and wealth redistribution go in the Ukraine in the 1930s or more recently in the former breadbasket of Africa Rhodesia now known as Zimbabwe. [Post edited 28 Aug 2018 21:03]
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It wasn't equal sharing of wealth in either case.The Ukraine famine and genocide of the 1930s (if that's what you're referring to) was the result of the same unaccountable dictatorship (of the left) as occurred in the following decade's genocide by dictatorship (of the right). Replacing one autocracy of the right (Rhodesia) with one of the left (Zimbabwe) isn't Marxist or socialist. It is tempting to attack concepts we disagree with by citing individual failed examples. I'm sure your right wing views are sincerely held to be for the benefit of all humanity and that you are not intentionally dangerous or evil but it is disappointing you feel it necessary to defend them with personal abuse. | |
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| Africa on 22:25 - Aug 28 with 5965 views | rochdale_ranger |
Pretty much what Kiwi said other then the fact that 1800s Africa was nothing but an uncivilised land mass where in many places the wheel was not yet discovered so was colonised by a more advanced class of people rightly or wrongly. It’s the peculiarly evil notion that people should hold some kind guilt for it today to readdress some historical imbalance which I take hindrance too. | | | |
| Africa on 22:30 - Aug 28 with 5951 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Africa on 22:21 - Aug 28 by tony_roch975 |
It wasn't equal sharing of wealth in either case.The Ukraine famine and genocide of the 1930s (if that's what you're referring to) was the result of the same unaccountable dictatorship (of the left) as occurred in the following decade's genocide by dictatorship (of the right). Replacing one autocracy of the right (Rhodesia) with one of the left (Zimbabwe) isn't Marxist or socialist. It is tempting to attack concepts we disagree with by citing individual failed examples. I'm sure your right wing views are sincerely held to be for the benefit of all humanity and that you are not intentionally dangerous or evil but it is disappointing you feel it necessary to defend them with personal abuse. |
Who told you I’m right wing? I’m not ideological. I’m quite happy with a normally incompetent government. I don’t want redistribution or major change. | | | |
| Africa on 22:42 - Aug 28 with 5932 views | tony_roch975 |
| Africa on 22:25 - Aug 28 by rochdale_ranger |
Pretty much what Kiwi said other then the fact that 1800s Africa was nothing but an uncivilised land mass where in many places the wheel was not yet discovered so was colonised by a more advanced class of people rightly or wrongly. It’s the peculiarly evil notion that people should hold some kind guilt for it today to readdress some historical imbalance which I take hindrance too. |
since Africa is now known to have been the birthplace of anatomically modern humans, it could be argued every human 'civilisation' had its origins in Africa and its fruition through migration to 'less civilised' Eurasia. | |
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