| Well done government 22:18 - Mar 20 with 11881 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
Regardless of the political view the shutting of pubs cafes etc and the 80% payment for those off work, whilst costly as hell is a very proactive action, one that I don’t know of anyone else doing.
Think we should applaud that, regardless of other flaws
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| Well done government on 23:01 - Mar 20 with 5192 views | James1980 |
Totally agree and glad you said it. |  |
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| Well done government on 00:09 - Mar 21 with 5133 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| Well done government on 23:01 - Mar 20 by James1980 |
Totally agree and glad you said it. |
I just think it’s a positive move for all, the £2500 quid limit also makes it anti elite.
It’s almost a labour type approach, which I feel is very appropriate currently | |
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| Well done government on 19:55 - Mar 22 with 4834 views | pnc4eva1 |
The government has made a complete mess of the situation. Herd immunity, absolute rubbish strategy unless you vaccinate the population. Recommended pubs closed and then put it out there as a rule wasted four days. I am a biologist and like many science people gave been astounded by the laid back and slow approach of Johnson and his side kicks. Today's comments about expecting deaths should also have been expected after the revelations of cabinet members bring fans of eugenics in early February.
China's first death was 11/01/2020. That us when planning and production of testing and ventilation systems should have started. Instead we crowd funded for Big Ben ton Bobg that we'd left the EU |  |
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| Well done government on 20:47 - Mar 22 with 4754 views | D_Alien |
| Well done government on 19:55 - Mar 22 by pnc4eva1 |
The government has made a complete mess of the situation. Herd immunity, absolute rubbish strategy unless you vaccinate the population. Recommended pubs closed and then put it out there as a rule wasted four days. I am a biologist and like many science people gave been astounded by the laid back and slow approach of Johnson and his side kicks. Today's comments about expecting deaths should also have been expected after the revelations of cabinet members bring fans of eugenics in early February.
China's first death was 11/01/2020. That us when planning and production of testing and ventilation systems should have started. Instead we crowd funded for Big Ben ton Bobg that we'd left the EU |
Once again, it has to be said that the government is following the advice of the top scientists in their respective fields
You're a biologist. Do you presume to know better than those more prominent and experienced than yourself?
To be sure, the experts may, just may, have got it wrong; but your attack on the government is misplaced. Please think about this before posting, since it doesn't help. All it does is encourage political infighting
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| Well done government on 21:04 - Mar 22 with 4734 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| Well done government on 19:55 - Mar 22 by pnc4eva1 |
The government has made a complete mess of the situation. Herd immunity, absolute rubbish strategy unless you vaccinate the population. Recommended pubs closed and then put it out there as a rule wasted four days. I am a biologist and like many science people gave been astounded by the laid back and slow approach of Johnson and his side kicks. Today's comments about expecting deaths should also have been expected after the revelations of cabinet members bring fans of eugenics in early February.
China's first death was 11/01/2020. That us when planning and production of testing and ventilation systems should have started. Instead we crowd funded for Big Ben ton Bobg that we'd left the EU |
And if your expertise was at a valuable level, you would be working with the government already not bringing politics into it, again.
Italy and Spain have made a complete mess of things, China appears to have calmed, Russia remains very quiet as does North Korea, although in truth most communist countries rarely allow people to know the real truth! | |
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| Well done government on 21:10 - Mar 22 with 4724 views | jonahwhereru |
Now is not the time to judge the government. Make no mistake judgement day will come and the facts on the number of deaths per head of population and number of cases are the two pieces of data that will be most prevalent but their will be others.
The WHO is duty bound to review and deliberation on how each country has fared. TBH it has not made sense for weeks that each government has trod their own path, when in reality the WHO were giving advice which was ignored to various degrees across the globe. They are the pandemic specialists after all.
As for the British government, it seems to think all the peoples are reasonable, when the reality is some are simply ignorant gits who don’t give a stuff. Please no more playing nice, if a lockdown will help then please make the call tomorrow and just do it. Sadly you cannot expect every one to to play by the rules in this country, it’s unrealistic. | | | |
| Well done government on 21:14 - Mar 22 with 4708 views | TipperaryDale |
We have followed Italy into the trap of doing small steps first and gradually trying to shut things down. The virus has a lag of over a week; so no matter what we do now, it's what we were doing a week ago that will affect the cases and deaths over the coming days. So they will rise and rise - and by the time people actually crack on to the seriousness of it, we'll be at the thousands dead stage.
I've spent time in Taiwan, and was there in early February when the news started coming out in China. They acted swiftly and the population did what they were told. Unfortunately we have had prevaricators in charge, and we have a large amount of socially irresponsible people here.
Well done government, my fcuking arse. Blood on their hands. |  | | |
| Well done government on 21:25 - Mar 22 with 4634 views | D_Alien |
| Well done government on 21:14 - Mar 22 by TipperaryDale |
We have followed Italy into the trap of doing small steps first and gradually trying to shut things down. The virus has a lag of over a week; so no matter what we do now, it's what we were doing a week ago that will affect the cases and deaths over the coming days. So they will rise and rise - and by the time people actually crack on to the seriousness of it, we'll be at the thousands dead stage.
I've spent time in Taiwan, and was there in early February when the news started coming out in China. They acted swiftly and the population did what they were told. Unfortunately we have had prevaricators in charge, and we have a large amount of socially irresponsible people here.
Well done government, my fcuking arse. Blood on their hands. |
Blood, eh?
There'd have been a reckoning before now if they'd failed to follow the scientific advice. But of course, you've been to Taiwan, so have more experience than the experts, and state categorically that the death toll (which will rise, as per any outbreak of this nature) will be as severe
China is an authoritarian regime, but I don't need to tell you that, do I?
I'm really trying my hardest not to take these politically-motivated attacks seriously, but believe me, they're testing my patience | |
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| Well done government on 21:42 - Mar 22 with 4617 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Well done government on 21:25 - Mar 22 by D_Alien |
Blood, eh?
There'd have been a reckoning before now if they'd failed to follow the scientific advice. But of course, you've been to Taiwan, so have more experience than the experts, and state categorically that the death toll (which will rise, as per any outbreak of this nature) will be as severe
China is an authoritarian regime, but I don't need to tell you that, do I?
I'm really trying my hardest not to take these politically-motivated attacks seriously, but believe me, they're testing my patience |
There has been heated debate amongst the governments scientific advisors. Valance said so this week to the select committee . The government went for the advice of the group advocating a very relaxed approach to this. There then followed a staggering U turn, as other scientists and members of the Tory party argued that the approach was wrong and we were following Italy’s numbers v closely. So the science didn’t change, the interpretation of it did. I personally believe this delay , and today’s mixed messages about going out are going to cost a lot of lives. That isn’t a party political point, and yes afterwards is the time for judgement and recrimination . Blowing smoke up Boris’s arse is also premature |  |
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| Well done government on 00:58 - Mar 23 with 4485 views | D_Alien |
| Well done government on 21:42 - Mar 22 by rochdaleriddler |
There has been heated debate amongst the governments scientific advisors. Valance said so this week to the select committee . The government went for the advice of the group advocating a very relaxed approach to this. There then followed a staggering U turn, as other scientists and members of the Tory party argued that the approach was wrong and we were following Italy’s numbers v closely. So the science didn’t change, the interpretation of it did. I personally believe this delay , and today’s mixed messages about going out are going to cost a lot of lives. That isn’t a party political point, and yes afterwards is the time for judgement and recrimination . Blowing smoke up Boris’s arse is also premature |
There we go...
Boris' arse. Who cares about that, apart from those with an axe to grind?
Just leave it till it's over, and we have a handle on the outcome. Till then, just leave it, for all our sakes | |
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| Well done government on 04:16 - Mar 23 with 4460 views | kiwidale |
The title of the opening post was a political statement in itself and every reply so far including those that have cried foul over politicising the thread have themselves politicised it. For what its worth the government are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. The jury is still out but all will come out in the wash. [Post edited 23 Mar 2020 5:56]
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| Well done government on 07:36 - Mar 23 with 4386 views | EllGazzell |
| Well done government on 04:16 - Mar 23 by kiwidale |
The title of the opening post was a political statement in itself and every reply so far including those that have cried foul over politicising the thread have themselves politicised it. For what its worth the government are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. The jury is still out but all will come out in the wash. [Post edited 23 Mar 2020 5:56]
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To add a non-political slant:
The financial measures are nothing special, a further-reaching package was created by the Czech R last week. The British version appears to be a 'copy'. |  |
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| Well done government on 07:50 - Mar 23 with 4367 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Well done government on 00:58 - Mar 23 by D_Alien |
There we go...
Boris' arse. Who cares about that, apart from those with an axe to grind?
Just leave it till it's over, and we have a handle on the outcome. Till then, just leave it, for all our sakes |
Singing ‘ I will if you will so will I ‘ maybe everyone should stop posting about it, though it does seem that offering a view that is in any way critical is deemed political by people making political statements about the efficacy of Govt action. The Lancet urged the Government to take decisive action on 24 th January ! Herd immunity quackery was still being advocated until v recently, the herd immunity that has not been achieved without mass vaccination before. | |
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| Well done government on 08:20 - Mar 23 with 4327 views | mingthemerciless |
Johnson's doing so good a job that todays papers are mentioning him in the same light as Neville Chamberlain. For the younger members who's grasp of history isn't great he was the PM that took the UK into the last war but performed so badly he was removed within a year to be replaced by Churchill. I agree with that , Johnson isn't up to the job, that's becoming more obvious by the day. But where is the new Winston Churchill ? Johnson isn't that man, putting it bluntly he hasn't got the work ethic or the judgement required.
Regarding people behaving like complete dickheads . In the old days we used to have a Home Secretary who's responsibility was public order. Where is the current one? Is she too busy sacking her civil servants ?
Johnson's surrounded himself with some real nodding dogs in the Cabinet and now we're paying the price with a real lack of authority and direction. Every move they make is behind the curve. I've just heard a pretty rattled sounding Matt Hancock on the radio telling us that all the people out socialising yesterday were really naughty boys and girls. People like that need to be given the hard word not a severe letting off.
We're getting to a point were a Government of National Unity is required with some of the older more experienced politicians getting involved. People who can speak with some gravitas and know how to act in a crisis. The like of Gordon Brown and Phillip Hammond etc. [Post edited 23 Mar 2020 10:53]
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| Well done government on 09:03 - Mar 23 with 4254 views | D_Alien |
| Well done government on 07:50 - Mar 23 by rochdaleriddler |
Singing ‘ I will if you will so will I ‘ maybe everyone should stop posting about it, though it does seem that offering a view that is in any way critical is deemed political by people making political statements about the efficacy of Govt action. The Lancet urged the Government to take decisive action on 24 th January ! Herd immunity quackery was still being advocated until v recently, the herd immunity that has not been achieved without mass vaccination before. |
Still banging on?
You posted a few days ago it'll make f*ck all difference to post on here, so why are you doing it? Does it make you feel better to vent, perhaps, after several months of having to suck it up?
Actually yes, it does make a difference, in two ways. First, there's a pretty decent chance it'll make you look a tool again if we come out the other side with a better (i.e. less horrendous) outcome than others
But more importantly, it does nothing except sow division and discord, when it's been pointed out by all sensible people that there is no precedent for any of this, no-one could be prepared and perhaps pragmatism and the ability to change course pretty rapidly as the situation evolves is an advantage, rather than authoritarianism and obstinacy. And tbf, you've no idea whether it is or not. ONLY if you're certain you know best should you spout otherwise, and none of us do; not me either, not BJ and not the scientific advisors - but at least they have a better insight than we do
So finally, what are you achieving, except negativity, when we're all desperately trying to stay positive at this very early stage?
As the intensive care nurse implored on her post-shift visit to the supermarket:
JUST STOP IT :(((((((((((
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| Well done government on 10:04 - Mar 23 with 4199 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Well done government on 09:03 - Mar 23 by D_Alien |
Still banging on?
You posted a few days ago it'll make f*ck all difference to post on here, so why are you doing it? Does it make you feel better to vent, perhaps, after several months of having to suck it up?
Actually yes, it does make a difference, in two ways. First, there's a pretty decent chance it'll make you look a tool again if we come out the other side with a better (i.e. less horrendous) outcome than others
But more importantly, it does nothing except sow division and discord, when it's been pointed out by all sensible people that there is no precedent for any of this, no-one could be prepared and perhaps pragmatism and the ability to change course pretty rapidly as the situation evolves is an advantage, rather than authoritarianism and obstinacy. And tbf, you've no idea whether it is or not. ONLY if you're certain you know best should you spout otherwise, and none of us do; not me either, not BJ and not the scientific advisors - but at least they have a better insight than we do
So finally, what are you achieving, except negativity, when we're all desperately trying to stay positive at this very early stage?
As the intensive care nurse implored on her post-shift visit to the supermarket:
JUST STOP IT :(((((((((((
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DAlien, if people want to discuss the government’s response to this then they are perfectly entitled to do so. If you don’t like it then I suggest you don’t go on this thread. What you can’t and shouldn’t do is tell people what they can and cannot discuss on what is a public forum.
For what’s it worth, I think the government is doing some very good things (especially economically) but if people don’t feel the same way as me then that’s fine.
You’ve said some excellent things on the other thread about looking out for each other in these challenging times. Calling Riddler a tool etc. is not in the spirit of that. | |
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| Well done government on 10:34 - Mar 23 with 4146 views | TipperaryDale |
| Well done government on 09:03 - Mar 23 by D_Alien |
Still banging on?
You posted a few days ago it'll make f*ck all difference to post on here, so why are you doing it? Does it make you feel better to vent, perhaps, after several months of having to suck it up?
Actually yes, it does make a difference, in two ways. First, there's a pretty decent chance it'll make you look a tool again if we come out the other side with a better (i.e. less horrendous) outcome than others
But more importantly, it does nothing except sow division and discord, when it's been pointed out by all sensible people that there is no precedent for any of this, no-one could be prepared and perhaps pragmatism and the ability to change course pretty rapidly as the situation evolves is an advantage, rather than authoritarianism and obstinacy. And tbf, you've no idea whether it is or not. ONLY if you're certain you know best should you spout otherwise, and none of us do; not me either, not BJ and not the scientific advisors - but at least they have a better insight than we do
So finally, what are you achieving, except negativity, when we're all desperately trying to stay positive at this very early stage?
As the intensive care nurse implored on her post-shift visit to the supermarket:
JUST STOP IT :(((((((((((
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There's no precedent... except the numerous pandemics which have occurred over human history, including the SARS virus which appeared a few years ago from a similar location and with similar means of spreading. You're opinion seems to be "hey, shit happens, no one could have known" except that epidemiologist is a job and that numerous governments have reacted to this better than ours. The reason I mentioned Taiwan before is because that was an example of a government who had a lot less warning than ours and was one of the first places to have cases outside of China - yet they reacted quickly and they already had plans in place to deal with potential pandemics. Why didn't ours? Did they better scientists than us? Or is it that their government (indeed, governments) actually listened to them.
I'd like to point out I'm not being party political at all and would react the same way to a government of any stripe being so downright reckless and ill-prepared.
And I'll criticise whoever I want - you're like the band who played on when the Titanic sank. I bet you'd have said "pointing out the massive iceberg does nobody any good, you'll look a tool when we arrive in New York!". [Post edited 23 Mar 2020 10:34]
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| Well done government on 11:10 - Mar 23 with 4088 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Well done government on 09:03 - Mar 23 by D_Alien |
Still banging on?
You posted a few days ago it'll make f*ck all difference to post on here, so why are you doing it? Does it make you feel better to vent, perhaps, after several months of having to suck it up?
Actually yes, it does make a difference, in two ways. First, there's a pretty decent chance it'll make you look a tool again if we come out the other side with a better (i.e. less horrendous) outcome than others
But more importantly, it does nothing except sow division and discord, when it's been pointed out by all sensible people that there is no precedent for any of this, no-one could be prepared and perhaps pragmatism and the ability to change course pretty rapidly as the situation evolves is an advantage, rather than authoritarianism and obstinacy. And tbf, you've no idea whether it is or not. ONLY if you're certain you know best should you spout otherwise, and none of us do; not me either, not BJ and not the scientific advisors - but at least they have a better insight than we do
So finally, what are you achieving, except negativity, when we're all desperately trying to stay positive at this very early stage?
As the intensive care nurse implored on her post-shift visit to the supermarket:
JUST STOP IT :(((((((((((
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You said you weren’t going to engage in political arguments, and here you are JUST STOP IT. How on earth is anything on here sowing discord and division, the very idea is laughable . You have no argument now apart from being abusive, for what it’s worth imho the government have done some things well, and some badly . What am I supposed to have been sucking up for months? . I am following govt advice , staying home as much as possible and not going to supermarkets shops etc , so which part of my behaviour is the nurse asking me to stop | |
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| Well done government on 12:42 - Mar 23 with 3991 views | D_Alien |
| Well done government on 10:04 - Mar 23 by BigDaveMyCock |
DAlien, if people want to discuss the government’s response to this then they are perfectly entitled to do so. If you don’t like it then I suggest you don’t go on this thread. What you can’t and shouldn’t do is tell people what they can and cannot discuss on what is a public forum.
For what’s it worth, I think the government is doing some very good things (especially economically) but if people don’t feel the same way as me then that’s fine.
You’ve said some excellent things on the other thread about looking out for each other in these challenging times. Calling Riddler a tool etc. is not in the spirit of that. |
I'll reply to your post BDMC, as a generic reply to the others who've also expressed similar thoughts
I asked for people to look out for each other. Many people have asked the same, and it's clear there's a need on the part of some people who remain unhappy about political events over the past say, six months, to use this crisis as a stick with which to beat the government. There's very little that's constructive in this, and the simple fact is that we don't know whether the policy being pursued - which includes changes as circumstances change - will be the right one
I'm very resilient, as might be apparent, but i'm well aware that for some people, inducing ideas that we're all going to be worse off due to government action/inaction (as has been directly claimed) will simply add further to their anxieties. So i ask you, and the others - in all honesty, is that worth your need to vent right now? This isn't sport, nor the normal day-to-day political discourse
It's also been said by plenty that the time for reckoning isn't now. But there will come a time
This thread arose from the government having delivered what many wanted on economic packages. (There's a bit more to do yet.) On a different thread i expressed the view that the government "had bloody well better" sort out the economic packages - doesn't that tell people i'm not "blowing smoke up" anyone's arse? If riddler resorts to such language, he'll get it back. Maybe he, and your good self, should just consider where that takes us at this time
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| Well done government on 13:57 - Mar 23 with 3894 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Well done government on 12:42 - Mar 23 by D_Alien |
I'll reply to your post BDMC, as a generic reply to the others who've also expressed similar thoughts
I asked for people to look out for each other. Many people have asked the same, and it's clear there's a need on the part of some people who remain unhappy about political events over the past say, six months, to use this crisis as a stick with which to beat the government. There's very little that's constructive in this, and the simple fact is that we don't know whether the policy being pursued - which includes changes as circumstances change - will be the right one
I'm very resilient, as might be apparent, but i'm well aware that for some people, inducing ideas that we're all going to be worse off due to government action/inaction (as has been directly claimed) will simply add further to their anxieties. So i ask you, and the others - in all honesty, is that worth your need to vent right now? This isn't sport, nor the normal day-to-day political discourse
It's also been said by plenty that the time for reckoning isn't now. But there will come a time
This thread arose from the government having delivered what many wanted on economic packages. (There's a bit more to do yet.) On a different thread i expressed the view that the government "had bloody well better" sort out the economic packages - doesn't that tell people i'm not "blowing smoke up" anyone's arse? If riddler resorts to such language, he'll get it back. Maybe he, and your good self, should just consider where that takes us at this time
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Whatever you believe to be the derivation of someone’s opinion does not give you the right to decide what opinions are or are not permissible on this forum.
Coronavirus or no coronavirus, you have no right to close down debate. | |
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| Well done government on 18:49 - Mar 23 with 3744 views | D_Alien |
| Well done government on 13:57 - Mar 23 by BigDaveMyCock |
Whatever you believe to be the derivation of someone’s opinion does not give you the right to decide what opinions are or are not permissible on this forum.
Coronavirus or no coronavirus, you have no right to close down debate. |
"Blood on it's hands"
"Blowing smoke up Johnson's arse"
You call that debate? I call it inflammatory nonsense, politically motivated, and i'll call it out whether you like it or not
I have no "right" to anything, but there's been so many requests for posters to keep a reasonable tone you'll have to work from home full time to reply to them all, since that's ALL i'm asking for. But you know that | |
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| Well done government on 19:03 - Mar 23 with 3718 views | NorthernDale |
I was talking to people I know, who work in schools on supply, who do not qualify for the 80% pay scheme, so they could have no income for up to 6 months and they are worried about paying bills. So not everyone benefits from the scheme and they have lost their income due to the school closure decision. | | | |
| Well done government on 19:38 - Mar 23 with 3659 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| Well done government on 19:03 - Mar 23 by NorthernDale |
I was talking to people I know, who work in schools on supply, who do not qualify for the 80% pay scheme, so they could have no income for up to 6 months and they are worried about paying bills. So not everyone benefits from the scheme and they have lost their income due to the school closure decision. |
In fairness a supply teacher is not employed, they work as and when required, if both parties agree then they work, hours are generally ad hoc.
This whole thread was started purely as I thought it was a good scheme by the government, that should have support and be applauded.
This is why I posted it on a separate thread to the original one.
I have at no stage said Boris is perfect, just that this is a very good policy, and had Corbyn done the same, would probably have been applauded for helping the working man! | |
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| Well done government on 19:57 - Mar 23 with 3627 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Well done government on 19:38 - Mar 23 by Thacks_Rabbits |
In fairness a supply teacher is not employed, they work as and when required, if both parties agree then they work, hours are generally ad hoc.
This whole thread was started purely as I thought it was a good scheme by the government, that should have support and be applauded.
This is why I posted it on a separate thread to the original one.
I have at no stage said Boris is perfect, just that this is a very good policy, and had Corbyn done the same, would probably have been applauded for helping the working man! |
That’s fine Thacks but people are entitled to disagree with you and nobody on this forum has the right to tell another poster that they should stop posting their opinion. As much as he’d clearly like to, he has no right to say what should or should not be posted on this forum or indeed your thread.
It would be a very fooking boring forum if we all agreed with him. [Post edited 23 Mar 2020 19:58]
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| Well done government on 20:10 - Mar 23 with 3596 views | mingthemerciless |
| Well done government on 19:38 - Mar 23 by Thacks_Rabbits |
In fairness a supply teacher is not employed, they work as and when required, if both parties agree then they work, hours are generally ad hoc.
This whole thread was started purely as I thought it was a good scheme by the government, that should have support and be applauded.
This is why I posted it on a separate thread to the original one.
I have at no stage said Boris is perfect, just that this is a very good policy, and had Corbyn done the same, would probably have been applauded for helping the working man! |
I've got to be honest with you, if Corbyn was running the show so poorly I'd be saying on here the guy is past it and it's time for him to go. I'd have my head in my hands and that's the honest truth.
Johnson's not quite at that point yet but he is very, very near. In my opinion he's got the rest of this week to shape up and tonight's address to the nation is critical for his future.
He's got to cut the waffle and make it crystal clear exactly what is needed to turn this crisis around. We need to get in front of the curve at all costs.
This is just my gut feeling but after tonight's address he needs to be taken out of the public facing firing line and a very senior civil servant needs to take over the press conferences. Just to give us the facts, no bullshit. Ministers have enough to do. This may not be popular but I'd like to see somebody like Ian MacDonald the guy who fronted up the Falklands War press conferences. | | | |
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